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Why was Captain/ Major Kirrahe's skin color changed ?


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nobunagatron

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Mass effect 1:

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Posted Imagegreenish blue (mostly)

mass effect 3:Posted Imagehttp://t1.gstatic.co...gDZrZQ brownish grey (mostly)

I had no idea Kirrahe was in the demo I played until the second conversation with him on Sur'kesh where Shepard actually calls him by name , and this really bothers me. You can't just change a character's visual apperance so drastically, especially an alien character, it makes it very difficult to recognize them and removes a very large part of what makes any particular character unique. This would be like making Aria green, Kolyat purple, or Khalisah al-Jilani a shade of fushchia. If you're going make the effort to remove something that makes an ancillary charcter unique, why not just make a completly different ancillary charcter while you're at it ?

Why didnt you just use the same charcter model and textures that you used in ME1. 

It isn't some game breaking issue, and no I'm not going to cancel my paid-off CE preorder, but this issue really affected my suspension of disbelief and my immersion overall :( The various alien species are what, to me, makes Mass Effect be Mass Effect and not some other generic sci-fi mythos, and the characters you've made are how we relate to these aliens on a personal level. Changing an established characters apperance is not something that should be done so lightly. Growing out Jack's hair is one thing, but magically removing her tattoos would irrevocably change her as character and isnt something that you (Bioware) would do lightly, and I really had hoped that you would respect the characters that you had created and the audience that is has played and purchased your first two Mass Effect products enough to maintain an overall consistency in the appearance of established characters/ species, even minor ones like Kirrahe.

Kirrahe just looks like another dull ( visually) Salarian, like the ones I rescued in Thane's recruitment mission, whereas 6 years ago  he actually looked pretty cool...:crying:

Modifié par nobunagatron, 14 février 2012 - 08:57 .


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l0wn3r

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old age. salarians age faster than humans.

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dklancer02

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Maybe Salarian skin gets darker when they get older? Or it could just be rendering differences between the 2 games.

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aksoileau

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Mass effect fields.

Nah idk. Maybe they just liked it better.

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nobunagatron

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l0wn3r wrote...

old age. salarians age faster than humans.


I could accept that as reasonable explanation, but I'm unaware of anything in Mass Effect lore stating that Salarians ( or any species for that matter) change skin color as an effect of the aging process. As is, all I see is a character whose only visually distinct Salarian attribute was changed.

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dklancer02 wrote...

Maybe Salarian skin gets darker when they get older? Or it could just be rendering differences between the 2 games.


This.

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Sashimi_taco

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If salarians get darker with age, then Mordin would be very dark. Unless Mordin was extremely pale when he was younger.

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I wouldn't have recognized him anyway, nor would've tons of other people. Firstly he wasn't too big of a character and salarians look all a lot alike in my eyes.

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scars?

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G3rman

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Changes as they get older, pigmentation and color change is dependent on what their original color was.

Mordin wasn't the same color as Kirrahe hence different skin tones.

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LexXxich

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Different lightning maybe? ME1 had natural daylight, ME3 has this orange hue.

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nobunagatron

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My biggest issue is that I should be able to recognize an established character visually, and I feel that Bioware removed that. Would Jacob be the same character if he was an albino or suffered from vitiligo in ME3 when he wasn't/didn't in ME2 ?. I also don't think rendering differences are applicable because no other character seems to suffer from this. This was an active change, like changing the voice of Refund Guy from ME1 to ME2

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Melrache wrote...

I wouldn't have recognized him anyway, nor would've tons of other people. Firstly he wasn't too big of a character and salarians look all a lot alike in my eyes.

Racist.:whistle:

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nobunagatron wrote...

l0wn3r wrote...

old age. salarians age faster than humans.


I could accept that as reasonable explanation, but I'm unaware of anything in Mass Effect lore stating that Salarians ( or any species for that matter) change skin color as an effect of the aging process. As is, all I see is a character whose only visually distinct Salarian attribute was changed.


IDK if salarians get darker with age but krogans do. Krogan skin becomes more mottled and their head ridges become more pronounced. It's possible that salarian skin becomes greyer or browner as they age and since they do age very fast its possible this change could have taken place over 3 years.

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*http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Salarian*

Nothing in this article states that Salarians darken as they age, only that " Skin varies in color, from bright reds and greens to the more common shades of blue or grey." Kirrarhe's visual appearance was clearly established in ME 1, and now in ME3 it has clearly been changed. The visual appearance of a character is very important and as such I feel that Bioware should have a more valid lore-based reason for drastically changing Kirrahe's appearance than ' just because'.

Modifié par nobunagatron, 14 février 2012 - 09:47 .


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LexXxich wrote...

Different lightning maybe? ME1 had natural daylight, ME3 has this orange hue.



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Legion64

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I guess Salarians turn into brown toads when they get old.

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the ageing idea is sound, also one of the salarian soilders on virmire mentions that hes been away for so long none of his family will recognise him.

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Nexis7 wrote...

LexXxich wrote...

Different lightning maybe? ME1 had natural daylight, ME3 has this orange hue.


The mission on Sur'Kesh, while not as bright sunny as Virmire, is still in a area where the main source of light is sunlight. Shadows or a setting sun don't change greenish blue to mottled gray/brown, and since Kirrahe's coloration didn't change under the lighting conditions of the ME1 Normandy's cargo hold, I don't feel that this ' different lighting' suggestion holds merit. If it was a drastically different light source ( such as a UV light, Infrared light, a Green Star) then this theory would potentially have merit.

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 Obviously he got a spray-on tan.

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It has changed from a lighter green to a darker green, a shocking turn of events!

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Matt VT Schlo

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William C Dietz clearly was the continuity researcher for this game

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AtreiyaN7

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Possibility 1: He's older.
Possibility 2: They wanted a slightly different color palette.
Possibility 3: They just thought he was just a touch too green.

Personally, I don't find that this change affects my ability to suspend my disbelief.

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clearly to appeal to the call of duty crowd

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Well either way his color is helping him blend in better in both environments so who knows maybe they adapt to the overall back ground color of their surroundings. and Mordin would seem to always be inside in bright artificial light which I would think would give him a pale color as everything is whitewashed in it to some degree. but that's just my thoughts on it.