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[nobunagatron]

United_Strafes wrote...

It has changed from a lighter green to a darker green, a shocking turn of events!

If by darker green you mean grayish brown. And you know what , the way things look is pretty important, if it wasn't then Bioware wouldn't have bothered putting a character creator for Shepard or even bothered with an art team period.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

nobunagatron wrote...

Nexis7 wrote...

LexXxich wrote...

Different lightning maybe? ME1 had natural daylight, ME3 has this orange hue.

The mission on Sur'Kesh, while not as bright sunny as Virmire, is still in a area where the main source of light is sunlight. Shadows or a setting sun don't change greenish blue to mottled gray/brown, and since Kirrahe's coloration didn't change under the lighting conditions of the ME1 Normandy's cargo hold, I don't feel that this ' different lighting' suggestion holds merit. If it was a drastically different light source ( such as a UV light, Infrared light, a Green Star) then this theory would potentially have merit.

Different color suns.  You could be wearing a shirt that looks gray under the lightbulbs in your house and go outside and see that your shirt is actually a shade of green.

As a matter of fact, the shade of green that Kirrahe is can actually look gray under different light sources. 

[geertmans]

Because I don't think that is him for demo purposes. In the leaked beta you meet Kirrahe for the first time in a hub and you can talk to him and talk about certain stuff. That conversation contained some spoilers. The scene in the demo actually does/did happen in the main game/beta only its somewhat differen.

[nobunagatron]

[quote]LexXxich wrote...

Different lightning maybe? ME1 had natural daylight, ME3 has this orange hue.[/quote]
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The mission on Sur'Kesh, while not as bright sunny as Virmire, is still in a area where the main source of light is sunlight. Shadows or a setting sun don't change greenish blue to mottled gray/brown, and since Kirrahe's coloration didn't change under the lighting conditions of the ME1 Normandy's cargo hold, I don't feel that this ' different lighting' suggestion holds merit. If it was a drastically different light source ( such as a UV light, Infrared light, a Green Star) then this theory would potentially have merit.

[/quote]Different color suns.  You could be wearing a shirt that looks gray under the lightbulbs in your house and go outside and see that your shirt is actually a shade of green.

As a matter of fact, the shade of green that Kirrahe is can actually look gray under different light sources. 

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Sur'Kesh


Virmire: 

[nobunagatron]

 Virmire: http://t2.gstatic.co...jd2NyjhjpqwGU4Q

The two planets are extremely similiar in appearance, so Kirrahe shouldn't look so different if the reason is ' different lighting' . Both planets are clearly modeled after tropical islands.

Modifié par nobunagatron, 14 février 2012 - 10:18 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Looking at both of those pictures up above, the colors seem more muted in the Sur'Kesh shot for whatever reason (could be the time of day on the planet - it does strike me as being late afternoon for some reason).

[nobunagatron]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Looking at both of those pictures up above, the colors seem more muted in the Sur'Kesh shot for whatever reason (could be the time of day on the planet - it does strike me as being late afternoon for some reason).

I think its late afternoon as well. I could understand if Kirrahe went from tree-frog green to U.S. one dollar bill green ( the darker parts) and the explanation was " oh the sun was setting", but instead I have a character who went from greenish-blue to grayish brown ( or brownish-gray ?) and no solid reason why. And Kirrahe is kind of a big deal lore wise, he was an integral part of the attack on Saren's base on Virmire...

[Fidget6]

Pre-order cancelled!

[eoinnx02]

Yes PRE ORDER CANCELLED! I have cancelled 9 so far! Don't push me BIOWARE i'll go for ten!

[N7Raider]

1. isn't the salarian in the first picture the salarian bartender from the ME1 E3 demo
2. assuming those pictures are of kirahe the first picture had the bright blue lighting and the second had the dark lighting tones will change
3. once again the level of nitpicking here is astounding pointing out a continuity error fine, but you're acting like this is a plot hole that would equal the quarians and the geth becoming best friends for no reason. You're whole argument about the way things look being important is complete crap, if that were the case than how come Shepard can be an albino in ME1 and a black guy in ME2?

[JenMaxon]

I don't know what's happened to him but I want that gun - so did Garrus, apparently.

[Zebron is reaL]

This is something I noticed in the leak beta that was unfortunately not fixed. Unless BW didn't want to fix it which is more dissapointing.

I'd like to fall for the 'sound argument' that salarian skin gets darker with age except for the fact that the olderst salrian we know is rather bright and that Kirahhe had tattoos. Or whatever you'd call those bright greenstrips around his neck area. It's obviously not a lighting issue as others have pointed out, so it's just Kirrahe, a visually unrecognizable version of him.

I'm really bummed about this and if I seem nitpicky, it's because I need something to not like about the demo.

Modifié par Zebron is reaL, 14 février 2012 - 10:55 .

[Darkfoxz87]

I'm just glad I can see him. Besides that Speach on Youtube I could never get see him, because I'm on PS3. And he dies on PS3 on matter what you can do.
I am going to be so sad on the real playthrough, since I know Kirrahe could of been there. 
Bioware Y U THINK IM EVIL?

I CAN'T HOLD THE LINE! 

[Zeebaas]

I agree with OP, but it was nothing unexpected. There wasn't a single bright colored Salarian in ME2, while there were tons in the first game. My guess is they just retconned all Salarians so they would only be dull brown and grey.

[Praetor Knight]

Well, it is a demo, so I'll wait and see how he looks in the full game.

But maybe as Salarians age, they change color anyway?

[nobunagatron]

N7Raider wrote...

1. isn't the salarian in the first picture the salarian bartender from the ME1 E3 demo
2. assuming those pictures are of kirahe the first picture had the bright blue lighting and the second had the dark lighting tones will change
3. once again the level of nitpicking here is astounding pointing out a continuity error fine, but you're acting like this is a plot hole that would equal the quarians and the geth becoming best friends for no reason. You're whole argument about the way things look being important is complete crap, if that were the case than how come Shepard can be an albino in ME1 and a black guy in ME2?

1. Nope, its Kirrahe, just a smaller version of this :

2. If you really think the difference between pics 1 and 2 is anywhere near as drastic as 1or 2 compared to 3 or 4,  then your perception of color is quite a bit off ( AND I'M NOT INSULTING YOU, maybe you monitor is a little old or you percieve colors differently)

and 3 I will address in two parts 
3a. It is nowhere near as big an issue as your geth/quarian scenario, In no way are the two comparable, and in no part of ANY of my comments have I compared it to anything as fundamentally as important as the Geth/Quarian war; you are extremely disingenuous to imply otherwise. I have compared it to changing the skin color of Aria, Kolyat, Jacob, and Ms. al-Jilani AFTER having said character appear a different way in the first place.

3b. My "crap" agrument about visual apperance is completely important, relevent, and factual. Video Games are an interactive medium far more reliant on visual imagery than you seem to understand. Games like Okami, El Shaddai, Super Paper Mario, and Borderlands stand out from other games almost solely because of their unique art style and the appearance of their characters and enviroments. Shepard can change appearance because Bioware thinks it is important for you to customize him/her to become unique and ultimately "your Shepard", and because from ME 1 to ME2 Shepard did, suffured ridicoulous damage down to a cellular level, and was REBUILT. ( also note that ingame, you were treated as if you had always looked however your Shepard did in ME2, how the hell else would the VS or Anderson or anyone else recognize Shepard ??) 

If you design a character to look a certain way, then obviously you did it for a reason and if your going to change a characters appeareance for any reason, ESPECIALLY to the point where some one who has played ME 1 ( where you first met Kirrahe) dozens of times can't recognize  them when they see them, then as a developer you should at the very least have a reason and hopefully share that reason with the fanbase.

Its NOT a gamebreaking issue, I will STILL buy the CE, but yes I personally think character consistency both visually and attitudewise needs to either be consistent or have a reason behind the change.

Modifié par nobunagatron, 14 février 2012 - 11:23 .

[Jotamide]

[AtreiyaN7]

nobunagatron wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Looking at both of those pictures up above, the colors seem more muted in the Sur'Kesh shot for whatever reason (could be the time of day on the planet - it does strike me as being late afternoon for some reason).

I think its late afternoon as well. I could understand if Kirrahe went from tree-frog green to U.S. one dollar bill green ( the darker parts) and the explanation was " oh the sun was setting", but instead I have a character who went from greenish-blue to grayish brown ( or brownish-gray ?) and no solid reason why. And Kirrahe is kind of a big deal lore wise, he was an integral part of the attack on Saren's base on Virmire...

Kirrahe didn't exactly have a LOT of screen time and I don't consider him to be a huge part of events on Virmire. That difference of opinion aside, I think the Sur'Kesh image may represent a specific color palette/mood for that planet with that late afternoon sunlight and muted environmental colors. I believe that as a result, they might have wanted to tone down the green in Kirrahe to match the overall vibe. Whatever the reasoning was, it's not a huge deal to me, but I expect you'd have to get lucky and have one of the artists respond about this.

EDIT: Let me emphasize that I'm not saying that the lighting is making Kirrahe a different color - I think they changed his color to match the color palette that seems to have been set on Sur'Kesh (which seems to involve a gold/sepia kind of tone with somewhat muted colors).

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 14 février 2012 - 11:29 .

[DJBare]

JenMaxon wrote...

I don't know what's happened to him but I want that gun - so did Garrus, apparently.

Glad to see someone else got their priorities in order!

[nobunagatron]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

nobunagatron wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Looking at both of those pictures up above, the colors seem more muted in the Sur'Kesh shot for whatever reason (could be the time of day on the planet - it does strike me as being late afternoon for some reason).

I think its late afternoon as well. I could understand if Kirrahe went from tree-frog green to U.S. one dollar bill green ( the darker parts) and the explanation was " oh the sun was setting", but instead I have a character who went from greenish-blue to grayish brown ( or brownish-gray ?) and no solid reason why. And Kirrahe is kind of a big deal lore wise, he was an integral part of the attack on Saren's base on Virmire...

Kirrahe didn't exactly have a LOT of screen time and I don't consider him to be a huge part of events on Virmire. That difference of opinion aside, I think the Sur'Kesh image may represent a specific color palette/mood for that planet with that late afternoon sunlight and muted environmental colors. I believe that as a result, they might have wanted to tone down the green in Kirrahe to match the overall vibe. Whatever the reasoning was, it's not a huge deal to me, but I expect you'd have to get lucky and have one of the artists respond about this.

I liked him, and I think the fact that he lead the STG team that helped me ( Shepard) take out that base is pretty important, but I can certainly see where you are coming from.

Its just extra noticeable because I love the universe of lore  Bioware created with Mass Effect, Salarians are my second favorite species ( 1= Geth), and There aren't as many memerable Salarians as I would like. And I notice things like this, fondness for Mass Effect and OCD do that  

EDIT: know how I could get one of the artists to respond ?

Modifié par nobunagatron, 14 février 2012 - 11:34 .

[AtreiyaN7]

@nobu: I undestand - I liked Kirrahe well enough and found him amusing (especially with Mordin's comments about him). I think this was a purposeful color change, and given the environment, I think it was fitting (regardless of the reasoning for it). As for how to get an artist to respond, uh, no idea - you just have to get lucky pretty much. While you might see writers/programmers responding to some posts, I can't say I recall seeing many art guys reply to anything. *shrug*

[CannonO]

I think he looks better in ME3 graphically. Not sure why they changed the color.

[jcraft]

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[BatmanPWNS]

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