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[Palladin123]

I have no idea what is the connection between FOV and visual quality in the Bioware rep's reply about FOV. Most of us very clear that our concern is specifically about the FOV - not about textures, graphics etc. I seriously wonder if that rep even took the time to read about what players are concerned about.

And on this topic, there were a bunch of people modding one of the files to adjust FOV but that topic got closed and posts were deleted. Does anyone know why that happened? Were people there discussing how to mod multiplayer characters?

[Aldyramon]

The file modded contains everything, multiplayer and all. So you could use the instructions and tools given in that thread to cheat in the multiplayer. Not that deleting the thread will prevent any of this. Also people specifically asked about how Bioware's stand on modding is and if it is ok to mod ME3.

It is kind of the worst response Bioware could have given. They just need to address the issues many people have with the FOV (which is very easy, considering the modders did it in one week without prior knowledge) and the other things like the controls. Simple ignoring the stuff is even worse than just saying: "We are not going to change that in the future." If they just give an answer to the reasonable concerns of their costumers and maybe looked into fixing some of the issues, they would go a long way and I would be happy.

[Savage-Alien]

Please, BioWare, give us a proper in-game setting for FOV. Editing the files, and we will do so because it make many of us feel sick and also claustrophobic, but this will, if I recall, break the cameras for cutscenes and possibly other games aspects. If you do it, you can program it to use all the proper FOV for those instances. Since widescreens are common place, an appropriate FOV and even FOV setting is required. I always find myself increasing the FOV in games, I feel much more COMFORTABLE at fov of 90 compared to anything lower which makes me feel BLEGH (that's a technical term I swear ).

It would also be nice to hear from BioWare about using such edits and how that may affect the Multiplayer aspect of the game seeing how everything is found in that INI file for both SP and MP. If BioWare does not give us an official fix, I hope they don't go banning for modified files, when it could be something as crucial for users as a proper FOV. (btw, closing threads and deleting posts doesn't count unless there's a post from a staff member)

[Paula Deen]

It's absurd that it's not something we have any control over. I can understand not allowing really high FOV's (like anything over 110), but this 50 degree FOV we have now is annoying and nauseating.

All of the animations are right there anyway, so I just can't fathom why it's not an option across the board.

[Palladin123]

I can understand that Bioware won't be happy with people using modded files in multiplayer. How about singleplayer though? Is Origin going to block my account even if use a modded file only in singleplayer? I suppose I could block Origin from accessing the internet once the original installation and activation is done, and then allow internet access only when patches are released.

I can't believe at the amount of irritation and hurdles Bioware is making us go through for something as simple as a FOV fix.

[jacinda1234]

https://twitter.com/...009846320611328

Tweet in question, personally i've played the game with a higher FoV and he's wrong.

[Savadrin]

Palladin123 wrote...

I can understand that Bioware won't be happy with people using modded files in multiplayer. How about singleplayer though? Is Origin going to block my account even if use a modded file only in singleplayer? I suppose I could block Origin from accessing the internet once the original installation and activation is done, and then allow internet access only when patches are released.

I can't believe at the amount of irritation and hurdles Bioware is making us go through for something as simple as a FOV fix.

heh, they won't give an answer. they're afraid we won't like the answer and won't spend money on the game. at least if they wait, some people will buy the game, mod, and get banned. to them that's better business than being up front with us and some people not buying the game.

[DHJudas]

Palladin123 wrote...

I can understand that Bioware won't be happy with people using modded files in multiplayer. How about singleplayer though? Is Origin going to block my account even if use a modded file only in singleplayer? I suppose I could block Origin from accessing the internet once the original installation and activation is done, and then allow internet access only when patches are released.

I can't believe at the amount of irritation and hurdles Bioware is making us go through for something as simple as a FOV fix.

When it comes to multiplayer... FOV is irrelavant..

this goes back to those that were complaining that people with 16:10 or 16:9 widescreen monitors prior to them becoming the norm, would have extra viewable field of view natively due to the way many of the games worked... Trying to restrict the camera resolution/ratio would just wreck it on widescreens.

It is even more irrelevant if you consider those with successfully running eyefinity displays which triples the field of view in terms of left and right information, but FOV remains to narrow on those displays... (it however does help significantly)

There is REALLY zero excuse why the PC version doesn't have an option for this at all. None what so ever... PERIOD... keeping it locked without any way to change it will only spur more people to find methods to do it... so their efforts are even more counter productive by hiding it.

[Maxwell Adams]

Paula Deen wrote...

I can understand not allowing really high FOV's (like anything over 110), but this 50 degree FOV we have now is annoying and nauseating. 

The default FOV is 70 degrees horizontal.  50 would be seriously low, even by console standards.

[JohnDoe]

Fredvdp wrote...

Palladin123 wrote...

CaptCleanoff wrote...

So what's the deal Bioware? You've deleted the posts that actually tried to fix a MASSIVE issue for PC gamers (FOV) and you are still yet to give any official word on this problem?

Can we please get some decent support for this platform!? Hell, just say something, like you are investigating the issue... anything is better than just ignoring us.

Totally agree. First there's no comment on the FOV issue fix, and then when some gamers try to fix it themselves, Bioware decides to delete all the posts. I would have thought that a company like Bioware with its roots in PC gaming would understand the idea of gamers modding their games.

Actually there was a comment from one of the devs on Twitter. I think it was Corey Gaspur (combad designer) who said the camera placement was carefully considered and that increasing the FOV will not increase the visual quality. This is BS of course, but at least we got an answer.

I wonder if with that "will not increase visual quality" , he in reality he means how we will be able to see the horrible lowres character textures more constantly.
also the FOV issue hardly as anything to do visual wise.. but playability/gameplay wise.

[Savadrin]

yeah, they "carefully considered" making people sick with the FoV.

then they up and delete the thread where the modding guys had come up with workarounds, and still won't clarify if modding the game after full release will be punishable or if they won't care. it's cool though, i'm not buying it until it's been out a few weeks and we see if people get banned for modding a single player game. if so, i'll keep my monies.

[Shazzie]

With regards to the dev comment about increased FoV not increasing visual quality: I wouldn't care if increased FoV even further lowered  the current texture/visual quality of the game. Not one bit.

At least with higher FoV I'd be able to play it, then. I currently will not be purchasing OR playing this game, because playing the demo gave me nausea and an utterly crippling headache, in a very short time span. It's not that I don't want to play it. I do, badly. It's that I, simply, cannot.

Which really makes me <#@$%!> upset, because, damnit, I want to play this game. I finally have the money to pre-order it, but I haven't, and I won't. I can't justify purchasing something I know I won't be able to play in its vanilla form. I'll have to have my fingers crossed that the game's FoV will still be moddable post-release, and I'll be able to do it. Then, maybe I'll be able to purchase it.

I don't care about cutscenes (I can make it through those with low FoV, so long as action takes place in higher FoV), I don't care about (and won't be playing) multiplayer. Leave the crippled FoV for those, if you must. Just give the gameplay a higher FoV. I just want to experience the end of the story I've been invested in for years.

Modifié par Shazzie, 29 février 2012 - 08:18 .

[Fredvdp]

I was paraphrasing. Don't take the "visual quality" thing too literally because my memory of the actual quote isn't too clear. I'll look for the actual quote.

Edit: The exact quote is "Much care was put into the placement of the camera, a wider FOV does not look as good as you would think."

Modifié par Fredvdp, 29 février 2012 - 10:33 .

[Lionel Redstar]

I am not physically affected by this too much but still I would like to be able to change the FOV.
So +1 for this issue.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Well I just went and asked for a FOV change on the multiplayer feedback thread, I guess if everyone mentioned it there it could get done. Will do the same on the SP thread.

[Savadrin]

Shazzie wrote...

With regards to the dev comment about increased FoV not increasing visual quality: I wouldn't care if increased FoV even further lowered  the current texture/visual quality of the game. Not one bit.

At least with higher FoV I'd be able to play it, then. I currently will not be purchasing OR playing this game, because playing the demo gave me nausea and an utterly crippling headache, in a very short time span. It's not that I don't want to play it. I do, badly. It's that I, simply, cannot.

Which really makes me <#@$%!> upset, because, damnit, I want to play this game. I finally have the money to pre-order it, but I haven't, and I won't. I can't justify purchasing something I know I won't be able to play in its vanilla form. I'll have to have my fingers crossed that the game's FoV will still be moddable post-release, and I'll be able to do it. Then, maybe I'll be able to purchase it.

I don't care about cutscenes (I can make it through those with low FoV, so long as action takes place in higher FoV), I don't care about (and won't be playing) multiplayer. Leave the crippled FoV for those, if you must. Just give the gameplay a higher FoV. I just want to experience the end of the story I've been invested in for years.

oh it will be possible to mod it(at least for PC), that's already proven. the demo was dissected  in less than 48 hours and FOV, holstering, the single button use key, and gamepad support(albeit crude) already all had workarounds. but they deleted the thread.

[jotun04]

jacinda1234 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...009846320611328

Tweet in question, personally i've played the game with a higher FoV and he's wrong.

I hate when devs feed us this kind of BS.  FOV doesn't change the position of the camera in any way.

[QuarkZ26]

jacinda1234 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...009846320611328

Tweet in question, personally i've played the game with a higher FoV and he's wrong.

Yep i did too and this guy is definitely stupid. No one ask for the game to look better, just wider. I don't why they obsess about the game looking worse. Really?

These guys are ****ing clueless. This is pathetic.

[himegoto]

the fov is perfect for me. am I the only one here...?

[RonnyB]

himegoto wrote...

the fov is perfect for me. am I the only one here...?

Sure, you're not the only one. It all depends on your screen size, distance from monitor, and if your are sensitive to FOV issues where you get nausea or headaches from it. Also, in multiplayer the damn Turian and Krogan characters block too much of the screen with such a zoomed in FOV in my opinion.

Modifié par RonnyB, 29 février 2012 - 07:12 .

[Palladin123]

Well, less than a week to go and no word on FOV from the devs. I doubt there's going to be. I'm keeping a tiny bit of hope that they'll have a surprise FOV slider for us in the game. All rather disappointing - most companies tend to act quickly if a small change in their product can mitigate any negative health impact for their customers. This wasn't about visual quality, graphics, plot lines or anything like that - it was about gamers getting headaches and nausea.

Bioware and EA know they have a awesome franchise on their hands and that people are going to line up to buy it. It's a bit like Harry Potter - people would have bought the last book even if the publishers had printed it on mouldy papyrus. The readers were invested in the storyline and the characters. And it's the same with ME3. Most of us here really want to find out how this story ends.

Many of us with FOV headaches will end up playing the game sooner or later. Those of us with severe issues will find some way to mod it. What this all is going to do though is to reduce the goodwill that Bioware has with its customers. They used to be (and to a good extent still are) one of the premier old school gaming studios. They have lots of goodwill with people who've grown up with Baldur's Gate, NWN, KOTOR etc. But goodwill in any business is limited. Customers will give a company the benefit of the doubt the first time, second time and maybe even the third time, but not forever.

Modifié par Palladin123, 29 février 2012 - 11:20 .

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Peripheral vision is always a nice thing to have in vidya gaems.

[Had_CB]

wider FOV me wanting $o)

[artgeek25]

i dont know if this has been posted yet but somebody has made an edited coelesced.ini for the demo in which you can change the fov:

http://social.biowar...7/index/9407818

[Aldyramon]

guess the mods did not find that one jet to delete it...

The most people here know that you can mod the game for a better FoV, but with Origins you pretty much risk getting banned for good if you mod the game. Also we would like a official version or at least some statement form Bioware about the FOV. It is kind of the biggest (reasonable) complain and there are a couple of threads about it, but no reaction.