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[lucidfox]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Sex does sell, especially in video games, so just understand that the "sexing up" (even though it is very VERY moderate for a video game) is a necessary evil of the industry.

No, it's a totally unnecessary evil. It attracts the wrong kind of audience (although frankly, it's exactly the kind of audience they were aiming for with ME3).

I don't praise media for being only slightly oversexualized as opposed to totally oversexualized. I praise those that have the maturity to actually have respect towards its characters as more than just marketing vehicles.

[Prom001]

get some sweet Mary jane and chill!!!!

[Bendok]

I agree, let's hold Bioware to a low standard!

People complain because they are passionate about the game.

Modifié par Bendok, 15 février 2012 - 03:40 .

[Senior Cinco]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Senior Cinco wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Senior Cinco wrote...

I am leery to take advice from anyone that says "Chillax".

No trial. No purchase.

You mean...PREORDER CANCELLED!!!   ?

I can't fault you for being leery of chillaxers.  I would be myself.  I guess my advice to you (which you understandably won't take) is to focus on the content of the assertion and not the pretentious language.

I would ...but that word just throws me off. I got side tracked in thought when "Zelda" popped in there. Then whe I was presented with the renowned "Chillax"...It was just more than I could handle. I tried to reread post 1, but to no avial. the damage was done.

You can't unring the bell.

What the hell is that anyway? It sounds like a stool softner.

Well you win some you lose some.  I think it makes sense that it sounds like stool softener.  Soft stool is often excreted by relaxed and calm individuals.  Yeah "chillax" may run the risk of sounding patronizing, but its intent is pure.

I smell what you're steppin' in.

And tkanks to Praetor Shep, for the link. It is very informative. As long as I get a trial and cooling stool softner I will reorder my preorder.

Modifié par Senior Cinco, 15 février 2012 - 03:42 .

[Taradil]

lucidfox wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Sex does sell, especially in video games, so just understand that the "sexing up" (even though it is very VERY moderate for a video game) is a necessary evil of the industry.

No, it's a totally unnecessary evil. It attracts the wrong kind of audience (although frankly, it's exactly the kind of audience they were aiming for with ME3).

I don't praise media for being only slightly oversexualized as opposed to totally oversexualized. I praise those that have the maturity to actually have respect towards its characters as more than just marketing vehicles.

Except that well, they were aiming for that audience in ME2 to, take a look at Miranda .. Ashley in ME3 got nothing on her. So stop saying that ME3 is the big evil when they clearly marketed ME2 in the same way. Or if we wan't to talk other Bioware-games, Dragon Age: Origins had a Sex & Blood Trailer, which showed blood and nudity, Mass Effect has nothing like that.

[Genshie]

Taradil wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Sex does sell, especially in video games, so just understand that the "sexing up" (even though it is very VERY moderate for a video game) is a necessary evil of the industry.

No, it's a totally unnecessary evil. It attracts the wrong kind of audience (although frankly, it's exactly the kind of audience they were aiming for with ME3).

I don't praise media for being only slightly oversexualized as opposed to totally oversexualized. I praise those that have the maturity to actually have respect towards its characters as more than just marketing vehicles.

Except that well, they were aiming for that audience in ME2 to, take a look at Miranda .. Ashley in ME3 got nothing on her. So stop saying that ME3 is the big evil when they clearly marketed ME2 in the same way. Or if we wan't to talk other Bioware-games, Dragon Age: Origins had a Sex & Blood Trailer, which showed blood and nudity, Mass Effect has nothing like that.

Carnage and Headshots with sniper rifle like to say HELLO!

[Chun Hei]

MELTOR13 wrote...

I love Biotic Sage. Have my babies.

Hmm. Biotic Sage for bisexual LI in ME3?

[lucidfox]

Taradil wrote...

Except that well, they were aiming for that audience in ME2 to, take a look at Miranda .. Ashley in ME3 got nothing on her. So stop saying that ME3 is the big evil when they clearly marketed ME2 in the same way. Or if we wan't to talk other Bioware-games, Dragon Age: Origins had a Sex & Blood Trailer, which showed blood and nudity, Mass Effect has nothing like that.

I wasn't exactly thrilled by Miranda's presentation either, but at least she had an in-universe reason to be proud of her looks (and having to face her hubris was part of her character development).

Samara would be a better example. The developers had no reason whatsoever to dress her like that other than appeasing horny fanboys, and it makes harder for me to take her seriously - which is a shame, she's a serious and interesting character.

Ashley was previously established to have a personality that contrasts her ME3 look, so it represents a shift in tone and broken characterization.

As for Dragon Age, it doesn't have blatant fanservice. All the outfits I've seen in it are tasteful and in line with the characters' personalities. Most women's armor doesn't even show breasts - it's bulky and relatively realistic. To me, it's a sign that its developers valued the thematic integrity of the setting more than the "sex sells" marketing cliche.

[Biotic Sage]

lucidfox wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

Sex does sell, especially in video games, so just understand that the "sexing up" (even though it is very VERY moderate for a video game) is a necessary evil of the industry.

No, it's a totally unnecessary evil. It attracts the wrong kind of audience (although frankly, it's exactly the kind of audience they were aiming for with ME3).

I don't praise media for being only slightly oversexualized as opposed to totally oversexualized. I praise those that have the maturity to actually have respect towards its characters as more than just marketing vehicles.

So are we ignoring the Asari "dancers" in ME1 now?  Or the male fantasy hot-innocent-alien-chick-wants-me love story with Liara?  Please tell me which game or game developer does not sexualize their characters to at least some degree?  Because Bioware has been doing that the entire Mass Effect series. 

Plus, I will have to disagree that Bioware about your point of Bioware not showing "respect toward its characters."  They show a high degree of respect in my opinion. 

Ashley letting her hair down does not qualify as even being "slightly sexualized" to me.  If we are going to consider basic feminine norms to be "sexualized," then every single piece of media ever featuring a female is "sexualized."  The BSN can be like a Puritan commune sometimes, it boggles my mind.  Athenians would laugh at this outlook on "sexualization."

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 15 février 2012 - 04:18 .

[ArkkAngel007]

OP asks BSN to chill...BSN brings in every flaming topic into OPs thread. classy.

[savaged49]

I agree OP, people need to realize this is still a demo just a taste of the game taken from the middle and cut down for the size limits so everything isnt there, besides how do we know main game wont have abit more at the beginning eh

Only REAL concerns in my opinion is A) The health screen size on consoles and A clunky cover system, as in sometimes its hard to get into cover and sometimes using powers or switching weapons in cover cause you to pop your head out of cover and take alot of fire by the time you get back into cover

[Biotic Sage]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

OP asks BSN to chill...BSN brings in every flaming topic into OPs thread. classy.

I have opened my arms and will be taking a come-at-me-bro attitude for at least the next couple of hours.  I am ready for the heat, and will gladly meet all of the flames with my icy rebuttals.

[lucidfox]

Biotic Sage wrote...

So are we ignoring the Asari "dancers" in ME1 now? 

Strippers are strippers. That's the whole point of them being there. What I don't like is when characters who aren't supposed to be promiscuous act or look like they are, just to appease male players.

Or the male fantasy hot-innocent-alien-chick-wants-me love story with Liara?

Can't claim to know anything about male fantasies.

Nor can I claim to know how Liara's romance develops with a male Shepard, considering I'm not interested in playing him. With my female Shepard it developed like an interesting and non-stereotypical lesbian dynamic, a breath of fresh air if you will.

Please tell me which game or game developer does not sexualize their characters to at least some degree?

BioWare, mostly in Mass Effect. And in all of Dragon Age.

Valve, Half-Life and Portal series.

These are just the major ones that spring to my mind.

Ashley letting her hair down does not qualify as even being "slightly sexualized" to me.

You forget makeup, a cleavage cut, and turning her skin color closer to white.

Since when are military officers allowed to have long hair, anyway?

[Biotic Sage]

lucidfox wrote...
 

Strippers are strippers. That's the whole point of them being there. What I don't like is when characters who aren't supposed to be promiscuous act or look like they are, just to appease male players.

Can't claim to know anything about male fantasies.

Nor can I claim to know how Liara's romance develops with a male Shepard, considering I'm not interested in playing him. With my female Shepard it developed like an interesting and non-stereotypical lesbian dynamic, a breath of fresh air if you will.

BioWare, mostly in Mass Effect. And in all of Dragon Age.

Valve, Half-Life and Portal series.

These are just the major ones that spring to my mind.

You forget makeup, a cleavage cut, and turning her skin color closer to white.

Since when are military officers allowed to have long hair, anyway?

So Ashley looks/acts promiscous to you based on what you've seen?  She doesn't even have her stomach showing in her casual outfit, whereas half the women in the ME universe do.  She didn't seem promiscous to me, maybe I just missed her mounting all of those husks on the Earth level...I'll have to go back and take a look.

So makeup, cleavage cut (that isn't on her armor, by the way), and turning her skin white (can't say I noticed a big difference here, I think you may be seeing things you want to see; ME3's lighting/coloring is different than ME1's in general).  The makeup and cleavage cut in her casual outfit are just basic feminine norms.  That's just called dressing with the style of society.  And I think military officers are allowed to have long hair for the same reason Male Shep is allowed to run around with a ridiculous Elvis haircut.  Mass Effect 3 is stylized sci-fi, not hard sci-fi.

As for this whole tedious discussion about Ashley's "sexualization," I will refer you back to my original post.  "Even if you for some reason do think there is a bit of 'sexing up' going on, is it really the end of the world?"  So I'm not agreeing with you that it's happening, I obviously disagree that it's happening, but if it was I would just say (and forgive me for being a broken record here) chill out a little bit.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 15 février 2012 - 04:37 .

[manwiththemachinegun]

Chill out? On a bioware forum?

PREORDER CANCELLED!

[lucidfox]

Biotic Sage wrote...
The makeup and cleavage cut in her casual outfit are just basic feminine norms.

For a military officer on duty? In the headquarters of her military organization?

[Marta Rio]

Biotic Sage wrote...
3. "Sex appeal" for Ashley, Liara, FemShep, Krogan Female, or any other female character.

Who's going on about the Krogan Female being too sexy?  Is it because her totally hawt burkha reveals slightly more than just her eyes?

[Biotic Sage]

lucidfox wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...
The makeup and cleavage cut in her casual outfit are just basic feminine norms.

For a military officer on duty? In the headquarters of her military organization?

Again, stylized sci-fi, not hard sci-fi.  That's how it's always been.  ME has never been a gritty, realistic view of the future.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 15 février 2012 - 04:38 .

[Ryzaki]

While I don't mind Ash's look I wouldn't take her seriously either. She looks more like she's going out than trying to give a report.

At least they got rid of those white pants. Those made her look fugly and cheap.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[Biotic Sage]

Chun Hei wrote...

MELTOR13 wrote...

I love Biotic Sage. Have my babies.

Hmm. Biotic Sage for bisexual LI in ME3?

Maybe as a bi-otic-sexual.



Liara's got both covered already though.  Plus Bioware doesn't seem to be excluding robo-sexuals in this one either.

Modifié par Biotic Sage, 15 février 2012 - 04:43 .

[Doctalen]

Very good thread OP. There is a difference between just ****ing and constructive criticism. A lot of BSN seems to favor ****ing.

[kidbd15]

I liked the demo for the most part... can't wait for ME3... don't really understand the b*tching... maybe people had their expectations overwhelmingly high

[CottonBALL]

Biotic Sage wrote...

4. PC elitist dissatisfaction.  I am currently playing through Zelda Majora's Mask again.  The graphics are crap.  However, I don't notice even one bit after about 2 seconds because the game is amazing.  Mass Effect 3's graphics are in HD and look better than the majority of the games out there, even if they aren't up to your uberlite PC's capabilities.  So I know that if I can be immersed in Majora's Mask that you can be immersed in ME3.  I too have an awesome PC that is much better than my 360, but it doesn't bother me that the graphics are slightly less amazing than what they could be.  It's just the nature of the industry and the times.

I see you don't quite grasp the extent of the issues. At least for me the couple of issues are almost gamebreaking. Let me give you a couple of examples:

1) I play primarily soldier and Adrenaline Rush for me is key. In this particular PC demo it is blatantly broken. What happens is I click to activate it and it does nothing but cooldown still occurs as if I used it, no time dilation effect whatsoever. But when it works it is ok but still feels so watered down compared to ME2, it's just dissapointing, really.

2) The mouse support in quickpause meniu is shoddy at best. It just fails to connect the LMB clicks with the power icons most of the time.

[Sinnerj117]

jreezy wrote...

Best topic of the week right here.

Agreed.

[Sinnerj117]

The demo is beast. I see no problems with it.

Modifié par Sinnerj117, 15 février 2012 - 05:01 .