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[FinalFantasy84]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

[AlanC9]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Just so I'm totally clear on the argument here, the problem is that Bio shouldn't have simply assumed that ME players would care about Earth?

Seriously?

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well, asked and answered. Thanks.

Don't share the feeling, though. Walking around and exploring a few rooms of a tiny corner of Earth wouldn't have made me feel any more attached to it.

Edit: but I'll grant that  it doesn't seem like a very good start for new players.

Modifié par AlanC9, 15 février 2012 - 06:02 .

[FinalFantasy84]

KainrycKarr wrote...

This thread make me think if the world-class writers posting in here were in charge, ME3 would be the length of Dragonball Z, with each conversation being so drawn out and trivialized that it lasted entire missions long.

On the bright side of that, the game would be about 500 hours longer;

Seriously guys, I saw NOTHING wrong with the demo's writing. I'm not a world-class writer, but I am a very picky critic when it comes to sci-fi.

So glad I can finally say goodbye to this forum, now that the series is over and ME3 is almost here.


Goodbye and so long, all of you long-winded, blithering buffoons. May you perpetually argue in internet purgatory til the end of your days.

ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF MASS EFFECT 3!!!  Shepard gets his ass in gear, but has a 30 minute conversation with a Reaper on Earth before leaving so we can feel the immersion!!!! *plays ending credits*

[CerberusSoldier]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

[ultimatekotorfan]

FluffyScarf wrote...

I liked the demo. The Sur'Kesh level was great. The intro though...it's as bad as Lagrim's beginning.

Son of a b*tch! Seriously! God f*cking dam! GET OVER IT!

[MerchantGOL]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

youmena  other then the breife face of sorrow at the kid dying, then a grim determination?

Shepard cant afford tot break down and cry

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 15 février 2012 - 05:58 .

[FlashedMyDrive]

KainrycKarr wrote...

This thread make me think if the world-class writers posting in here were in charge, ME3 would be the length of Dragonball Z, with each conversation being so drawn out and trivialized that it lasted entire missions long.

It doesn't take extra dialog to make or scene a situation more fluid, well-acted, and endearing. Seriously, I've read FANFICTION that is better written than this. That is an awful thing to say.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 15 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[FlashedMyDrive]

MerchantGOL wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

youmena  other then the breife face of sorrow at the kid dying, then a grim determination?

Shepard cant afford tot break down and cry

Crying and not acting like a robot are two different things.

[AlanC9]

CerberusSoldier wrote...
they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies . 

Reminds me of old BSG fans complaining that the new show botched the destruction of the Colonies because they didn't have tears running down the faces of the bridge crew like the old show did.

[MerchantGOL]

ultimatekotorfan wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

I liked the demo. The Sur'Kesh level was great. The intro though...it's as bad as Lagrim's beginning.

Son of a b*tch! Seriously! God f*cking dam! GET OVER IT!

Kinda annoying when some one ****es about a game endlessly isn't it?

[FinalFantasy84]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

If Earth didn't matter, Shepard wouldn't be going out to get people.....he got orders and followed them.  I saw him staring at the kid getting in the evac transport and then the look on his face when it blew up.  Do you expect him to cry about it honestly??  He doesn't have time for that, he's a soldier and has to get moving to save as many lives as he can.

[MerchantGOL]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

youmena  other then the breife face of sorrow at the kid dying, then a grim determination?

Shepard cant afford tot break down and cry

Crying and not acting like a robot are two different things.

he didnt act like a robot, actualy watch the scene

[FinalFantasy84]

MerchantGOL wrote...

ultimatekotorfan wrote...

FluffyScarf wrote...

I liked the demo. The Sur'Kesh level was great. The intro though...it's as bad as Lagrim's beginning.

Son of a b*tch! Seriously! God f*cking dam! GET OVER IT!

Kinda annoying when some one ****es about a game endlessly isn't it?

My only disappointment:  No Tali

[IndustrializedTaco]

Was there this much negative feedback right before ME2's release. I'm just curious, it always seems like there is a lot of negative feedback for major releases.

[CerberusSoldier]

MerchantGOL wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

youmena  other then the breife face of sorrow at the kid dying, then a grim determination?

Shepard cant afford tot break down and cry

   


No its clear he has to go play collect allies instead of fighting a war .

[FlashedMyDrive]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

I've played all of the ME games. The writing has progressively gotten worse. This is the first time Earth has been shown so it is ME3's job to connect the player too it. It has failed blatently.

[ultimatekotorfan]

Darth Death wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Yeah, but it gets old after awhile. And it also brings lame excuses way certain things happen within the story (can't say do to ME3 spoilers). ME could have been a more complex story without the usage of indoctrination to simplify everything.   

Then talk to Drew about that and don't blame the writers of ME3 for keeping the Reapers resourceful.

Indoctrination doesn't simplify anything. It creates conflicts where there wouldn't be and makes the Repaers more than giant space robots who can go pewpewpew. It gives the Reapers character and cosmic-horror flavor they need to be interesting.

Then would you be ok with the idea of your entire crew turning against you (out of the blue) because they're indoctrinated? The possibilities are endless. Personally, I don't mind the concept of 'mind control' if it's done right. Also I was not blaming anyone.   

AAAAAAAGGGHHHH!!! SPOILERS!!! DO. NOT. WANT!!!!

[FlashedMyDrive]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Was there this much negative feedback right before ME2's release. I'm just curious, it always seems like there is a lot of negative feedback for major releases.

Actually there is FAR more positive feedback than negative. But no, ME2 had better feedback near release than ME3, overall. Not by much, however.

Modifié par FlashedMyDrive, 15 février 2012 - 06:06 .

[AlanC9]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Was there this much negative feedback right before ME2's release. I'm just curious, it always seems like there is a lot of negative feedback for major releases.

Yeah, it was about like this. I thought ME2 was slightly less well-received, but that's because I followed the "this isn't an RPG" threads.

Modifié par AlanC9, 15 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

[withawacka]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Was there this much negative feedback right before ME2's release. I'm just curious, it always seems like there is a lot of negative feedback for major releases.

Yes, yes there was. And there was after, though a lot of people were quiet because even with all of the complaining they still played the game. 

[IndustrializedTaco]

I mean personally I thought the writing was fine. I was just curious because like, there were a lot of posts about nothing but the faults in the demo. I hate to say it but demo's are very limited.

[IndustrializedTaco]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I mean personally I thought the writing was fine. I was just curious because like, there were a lot of posts about nothing but the faults in the demo. I hate to say it but demo's are very limited.

Whoops left out some let me RE-quote. I hate to say it but demos are very limited for a reason. There we go more proper.

[FinalFantasy84]

Personally, I thought the demo was awesome. The only legit complaint I would have is that it severely limited most classes during the 2nd stage by making them carry 4 weapons and giving them bigger cooldowns on biotics and tech skills. It's not a big deal though, because I know it won't be like that in the actual game so I just enjoy what I get.

[ultimatekotorfan]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

ultimatekotorfan wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where

  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

I know, right? I hate those Bioware fanboys! You know, the ones who have an account on their forums, are named after a story-related faction in their video games and whose avatar is the main character of their most successful video game? Those guys are so ignorant and blind... <_<

  








If we want to discuss successful video game franchise then that would go to Call of Duty . but back to your comment . I am a fan of the idea of Cerberus standing up for humanity and a fan of Shepard the idea of one man or woman can make a difference . 

I was referencing the fact that you are bagging on one of Biowares most successful video game franchises on their own forum. Hearing that almost made me puke. I mean I understand it's a successful FPS but story-wise Call of---- :sick: