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I'm disappointed with the quaity of writing present in the demo.


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Dave of Canada wrote...
We kind of knew this since the script leak, unfortunately. The game shifted to an action movie rather than trying to be scifi.

Shifted? SHIFTED?!

Mass Effect 1 was about a spacecop who is above the law partnering up with a spacecop who is sick of rules to fight a corrupt spacecop. At one point, the obstructive bureacrats take away his badge. So he has to break the rules to take down the corrupt spacecop.

The only thing it was missing was the council complaining about property damage. And a blonde.

Modifié par Taleroth, 15 février 2012 - 06:46 .


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OP, I kinda agree. My biggest beef with the demo is that the opening was way too abrupt and deadpan. It really didn't capture the sense of impending danger, doom, suspense, fear or any other emotions that it really should have. Especially for people new to the series with this game. The opening sequence just makes it feel like "hmm, how interesting, Earth is being destroyed." WAY too casual and abrupt in the delivery.

I really think the defense council, the people in the very beginning, hell, even Shepard and Anderson themselves, should have been showing a LOT more immediacy and emotion. The **%$( REAPERS ARE HERE!!! This is not a Sunday stroll in the park; the EXTINCTION OF ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY is about to begin! It's *rather* important! The totally DERP defense council and Shepard's deadpan, cliched speech totally killed the mood. I felt nothing at all when the reapers descended and the building blew up. Absolutely nothing.

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It's ****. **** **** **** ****.

Shepard gives some vague advice to the council

They start evacuating a world that the game tells us nothing about (Yeah, Earth, Biowares Earth not mine so it's their job to fill in the details) and expect us to care

Everybody speaks... with dramatic pauses... to increase the tension... action movie style... even though time is short

Cliches, cliches, cliches, and so much ham and cheese that I'd need a stack of pizza going up to the ceiling to put it on.

Been trying to avoid spoilers up until now, but if this is the level of dialogue that I can expect I might just read the leaked script and get it over with. I will base my decision of whether or not to purchase the game on youtube videos of the release version of introduction.

Modifié par tetrisblock4x1, 15 février 2012 - 06:46 .


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They did complain about property damage remember the aftermath of therum?

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the demo have cut dialogue, its a demo man, not its trial or beta, demo have a little features for a little look to the game, the quality its high.!

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Taleroth wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
We kind of knew this since the script leak, unfortunately. The game shifted to an action movie rather than trying to be scifi.

Shifted? SHIFTED?!

Mass Effect 1 was about a spacecop who is above the law partnering up with a spacecop who is sick of rules to fight a corrupt spacecop. At one point, the obstructive bureacrats take away his badge. So he has to break the rules to take down the corrupt spacecop.

The only thing it was missing was the council complaining about property damage. And a blonde.


Yeah. It was terrible.

*troll face*

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Dave is just grumpy because they made Cerberus even worse then before. :P

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Mr.House wrote...

Dave is just grumpy because they made Cerberus even worse then before. :P


how you make a Terroist orginization that assinated people, murders children and performs  unethical experiments "worse" is beyond me.

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MerchantGOL wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Dave is just grumpy because they made Cerberus even worse then before. :P


how you make a Terroist orginization that assinated people, murders children and performs  unethical experiments "worse" is beyond me.

Giving a horrible reason why they are trying to kill you and not letting the people like Dave who want to support them join them?

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They didn't really show enough to grade the writing.

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Mr.House wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Dave is just grumpy because they made Cerberus even worse then before. :P


how you make a Terroist orginization that assinated people, murders children and performs  unethical experiments "worse" is beyond me.

Giving a horrible reason why they are trying to kill you and not letting the people like Dave who want to support them join them?

we dont know why their beign supid-er then ususal, if it is indoctrination iam nto surpised, cerberus has always been incompetent  when it comes to dealign with reaper tech.

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Obviously bioware didn't pay much for writing staffs.

I've given up on that part long ago.

This is not bioware, this is viowear. k

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MerchantGOL wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Dave is just grumpy because they made Cerberus even worse then before. :P


how you make a Terroist orginization that assinated people, murders children and performs  unethical experiments "worse" is beyond me.



By making it retroactively responsible for everything bad ever...and by having all people around you stuck on eternal repeat, going "Cerberus is evil" again and again?

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Taleroth wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
We kind of knew this since the script leak, unfortunately. The game shifted to an action movie rather than trying to be scifi.

Shifted? SHIFTED?!

Mass Effect 1 was about a spacecop who is above the law partnering up with a spacecop who is sick of rules to fight a corrupt spacecop. At one point, the obstructive bureacrats take away his badge. So he has to break the rules to take down the corrupt spacecop.

The only thing it was missing was the council complaining about property damage. And a blonde.


As a wise man once said - the devil is in the details.

If you simplify every story enough, they will ALL sound bad and cliche. No excpetions.

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If you didnt complain about the dialogue in ME2, i doubt you will in this one. Seen the leak scripts, its at least on the same level, maybe better. At least in general, there are low points ofc. Positives outweight the negatives tough.

Seriously what do you people want, Shakespeare?

Modifié par Armass81, 15 février 2012 - 07:14 .


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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

It's ****. **** **** **** ****.

Shepard gives some vague advice to the council

They start evacuating a world that the game tells us nothing about (Yeah, Earth, Biowares Earth not mine so it's their job to fill in the details) and expect us to care

Everybody speaks... with dramatic pauses... to increase the tension... action movie style... even though time is short

Cliches, cliches, cliches, and so much ham and cheese that I'd need a stack of pizza going up to the ceiling to put it on.

Been trying to avoid spoilers up until now, but if this is the level of dialogue that I can expect I might just read the leaked script and get it over with. I will base my decision of whether or not to purchase the game on youtube videos of the release version of introduction.


QFT.

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tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

It's ****. **** **** **** ****.

Shepard gives some vague advice to the council

They start evacuating a world that the game tells us nothing about (Yeah, Earth, Biowares Earth not mine so it's their job to fill in the details) and expect us to care

Everybody speaks... with dramatic pauses... to increase the tension... action movie style... even though time is short

Cliches, cliches, cliches, and so much ham and cheese that I'd need a stack of pizza going up to the ceiling to put it on.

Been trying to avoid spoilers up until now, but if this is the level of dialogue that I can expect I might just read the leaked script and get it over with. I will base my decision of whether or not to purchase the game on youtube videos of the release version of introduction.

1.WHat would be the right advice to give? Their is no easy way orcurrent planned way to beat them.They dohave to join upnd fight ot die. What else would he/she say?What would you say?

2.ME1 and ME2 filled thoughs spotsfrom making us care about earth....Do we need more ofareason to stop the reaper out sideof whatwasin ME 1 and 2?

3. They did the "dramatic pauses' in ME1 andME2.<_<

4.What elsedoyou think an alian invation looks like?

5.You do realise thatthe demo also has bee edited to cut out spoilers.

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Oh give it a rest, I've made my decision and only Bioware will be able to change my mind. Don't people realize that all arguing usually accomplishes is to strengthen peoples beliefs that their opinion is the correct one and make them less open minded to other points of view? And you're right, ME2 had everything that ME3 has but ME3 is focusing on the qualities that I disliked making it worse for me.

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Armass81 wrote...

If you didnt complain about the dialogue in ME2, i doubt you will in this one. Seen the leak scripts, its at least on the same level, maybe better. At least in general, there are low points ofc. Positives outweight the negatives tough.


ME2 was bad in that regard too. This one looks worse.

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Look at the original Star Wars trilogy, was the point of Star Wars about Luke shooting Stormtroopers and fighting Vader? No, it was about the adventure and the people involved.

Characters developed, relationships formed and the final confrontation between Luke and Vader in ROTJ is powerful because of what the scene represents, rather than the special effects and the actual "action" (which isn't that great).

Everything meant something, there was little one-liners and it created the devoted fanbase. You'd have a few issues here or there with it, as most people didn't care much for Ewoks and much debate was spurred about whether the Rebels killing the Emperor was good for everybody. Enough so that George Lucas added the scene with everybody celebrating at the end of ROTJ to show that "yes, people hate the empire".

Now let's shift our gaze towards the Star Wars prequels, it's shifted more to care about CGI and less about the characters. The final confrontation between Obi-wan and Anakin is supposed to represent something big, which it kinda does but it quickly drowned out as the CGI and such take place.

One-liners come about, some of it not making any sense. Now, it's mostly subjective but the majority of people generally view the prequels as being sub-standard quality to the original trilogy. Is it because of the wooden characters, the focus on special effects or it's various other problems? Possibly, though I'd personally say it's because it's less about the adventure and more about the pew pew.

Though all Mass Effect games have had it's fair issue with one liners and the like, there is a shift in the writing "tone" from ME1 and ME2 / ME3. One of the things I absolutely loved about ME1 was that it felt like you were in an 80s-early 90s scifi, you went out with your crew and explored the vast universe.

The "tone" alone is why I played 23 100% ME1 playthroughs, though ME2 only recieved 7. ME2 had some of the elements which I enjoyed in it's writing style, though it was a bastardization which I argued since it's release. Most who frequented the ME2 spoiler forum knew my opinion on ME2's writing style and the like.

ME1 was "my" original Star Wars trilogy, it had it's flaws but I saw it's potential and watched it eagerly for it to grow. It's potential was great, though ME2 disappointed me in many regards (though I'd still consider it a fine game).

Now I'm pretty sure that Mass Effect 3 will sell and be a large success (especially since it's riding on the emotions and buildup from ME1 and ME2), just like the SW prequel trilogy, though never in my life would I consider the prequel trilogy or ME3 as anything good. It's thrown away everything I loved and remains in name only, something for a new generation and others to enjoy. If I wanted to watch/play an action movie/game, I'd watch / play the "kings" of the genre.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 février 2012 - 07:33 .


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Armass81 wrote...

If you didnt complain about the dialogue in ME2, i doubt you will in this one. Seen the leak scripts, its at least on the same level, maybe better. At least in general, there are low points ofc. Positives outweight the negatives tough.

Seriously what do you people want, Shakespeare?



You can't reason with haters, whiners, and trolls.

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dreman9999 wrote...

tetrisblock4x1 wrote...

It's ****. **** **** **** ****.

Shepard gives some vague advice to the council

They start evacuating a world that the game tells us nothing about (Yeah, Earth, Biowares Earth not mine so it's their job to fill in the details) and expect us to care

Everybody speaks... with dramatic pauses... to increase the tension... action movie style... even though time is short

Cliches, cliches, cliches, and so much ham and cheese that I'd need a stack of pizza going up to the ceiling to put it on.

Been trying to avoid spoilers up until now, but if this is the level of dialogue that I can expect I might just read the leaked script and get it over with. I will base my decision of whether or not to purchase the game on youtube videos of the release version of introduction.

1.WHat would be the right advice to give? Their is no easy way orcurrent planned way to beat them.They dohave to join upnd fight ot die. What else would he/she say?What would you say?

2.ME1 and ME2 filled thoughs spotsfrom making us care about earth....Do we need more ofareason to stop the reaper out sideof whatwasin ME 1 and 2?

3. They did the "dramatic pauses' in ME1 andME2.<_<

4.What elsedoyou think an alian invation looks like?

5.You do realise thatthe demo also has bee edited to cut out spoilers.

  


Ken Johnson 's V mini series has more emotion in it than this demo had . Oh I am sorry the days of Bioware getting a free pass are over . They have did nothing but go dark after the leak. and we are suppose to be happy and wait for the game to find out . Bioware has no idea on how to tell a alien invasion

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Unless they intentionally simplified the dialogue in the demo, I must say I'm pretty disappointed by the writing and the dialogue tree. Seemed like nothing I did mattered in terms of conversations. I will go through the demo again just to make sure I didn't repeat my dialogue choices, but if what I've seen is indicative of what to expect in the actual game...ouch...

Can't believe I'm saying this, but CoD really is ruining the gaming industry. It's creating dumber and lazier players who can't be bothered to use two brain cells to play their games. Action mode? Insulting is the word that comes to mind.

I get that this is a demo, so I will reserve my wrath until I've actually played the game. But having played both DAII and its demo, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Modifié par 2484Stryker, 15 février 2012 - 07:37 .


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KotorEffect3 wrote...
You can't reason with haters, whiners, and trolls.


Indeed. That's why no one can reason with you.:P

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2484Stryker wrote...

Unless they intentionally simplified the dialogue in the demo, I must say I'm pretty disappointed by the writing and the dialogue tree. Seemed like nothing I did mattered in terms of conversations. I will go through the demo again just to make sure I didn't repeat my dialogue choices, but if what I've seen is indicative of what to expect in the actual game...ouch...

Can't believe I'm saying this, but CoD really is ruining the gaming industry. It's creating dumber and lazier players who can't be bothered to use two brain cells to play their games. Action mode? Insulting is the word that comes to mind.

I get that this is a demo, so I will reserve my wrath until I've actually played the game. But having played both DAII and its demo, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

  


Call of Duty did not destroy the games industry . The video game industry has had a issue with story telling for a very long time . Bioware has been claiming they want to make this a emotional end to the Shepard trilogy . well from what I seen in the demo they have failed .