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[tetrisblock4x1]

someguy1231 wrote...

I bet most of the people complaining about the writing are the same people who obsess over the "romance" in Bioware games, even though it's written about as well as the "romance" in Twilight. Hypocrisy, thy name is BSN.

Go away.

[Aeowyn]

someguy1231 wrote...

I bet most of the people complaining about the writing are the same people who obsess over the "romance" in Bioware games, even though it's written about as well as the "romance" in Twilight. Hypocrisy, thy name is BSN.

No. The people who complain about writing are the people who just don't feel that the writing is good. Invalidating their complains with something as idiotic as your comment is plainly stupid.

[Wulfram]

I think the big problem with the committee scene is how basically pointless it is. No one says anything meaningful in it. The committee waffle, Shepard postures. Since the committee all die immediately, you can't even say it's setting up anything for the future.

[Aeowyn]

Wulfram wrote...

I think the big problem with the committee scene is how basically pointless it is. No one says anything meaningful in it. The committee waffle, Shepard postures. Since the committee all die immediately, you can't even say it's setting up anything for the future.

+1

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Everybody's just standing around like "what do we do?" and "I can't believe it" for a few minutes.

[t3HPrO]

Atakuma wrote...

I knew the game was going to have it's fair share of cheese, but that demo contained some of the most ham-fisted dialougue I've ever seen in a bioware game. I mean it was just filled with dumb one liners and stilted conversations.
Is this what I can expect the rest of the game to be like?

Looks like one liners...

*puts on sunglasses*

aren't a one-off thing.

YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH:police:

[TheLostGenius]

 They were fine. Shep always had same cliched one liners in all the games, its what he/she does that makes him an interesting character. Not to mention the inter-species boffing options.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Armass81 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
ME2 was bad in that regard too. This one looks worse.

Yeah its not like ME1 didnt have any cringe worthy moments. Oh wait, it did.

Did I ever say it didn't?

Seriously, why is it that every time poeple criticize ME2, poeple respond by criticizing ME1. How does that change anything?

Yes, ME1 has it's own flaws....but ME2 learned nothing inthat regard. It has MORE of them. Worse flaws to boot. A lot worse flaws.



You might I'm too critical and demanding...but actually,the opposite it true. I demnd very little. But I demand that little to be executed right.
If ME3 had 10 times less cinemtatics, if it had graphics no better than ME1 - I'd love it to death as long as it did the story/bits bits right.

[Chromie]

Wulfram wrote...

I think the big problem with the committee scene is how basically pointless it is. No one says anything meaningful in it. The committee waffle, Shepard postures. Since the committee all die immediately, you can't even say it's setting up anything for the future.

I guess we never started with the trial? (Haven't been following news) What happened to that I killed a ton of Batarians and barely a mention.

[TheLostGenius]

The Committee is not the Citadel Council.


MY EYES ARE ROLLING ROUND AND ROUND GUYZ!

[Thoth_Amon]

This is what happens when either all the writing talent leaves, gets sent to work on TOR, or devolves into laughable mediocrity, aka pulling a Gaider.

I just hope the writing in the full game is as ****** poor as it is in the demo. Regardless, this is definitely my last Bioware game.

[Aeowyn]

TheLostGenius wrote...

The Committee is not the Citadel Council.


MY EYES ARE ROLLING ROUND AND ROUND GUYZ!

Since when have anyone claimed that they were? The trial (you know, the one mentioned at the end of Arrival) was going to be handled by the System Alliance, NOT the Council.

[brfritos]

Aeowyn wrote...

TheLostGenius wrote...

The Committee is not the Citadel Council.


MY EYES ARE ROLLING ROUND AND ROUND GUYZ!

Since when have anyone claimed that they were? The trial (you know, the one mentioned at the end of Arrival) was going to be handled by the System Alliance, NOT the Council.

Oh, the trial, don't remind me that!
It's cutted from the game, isn't?

Imagine instead a "comic book type list" to choose, the trial was used to create the choices you want to make, by revisiting Shepard's story in previous games? 

[Bleachrude]

Darth Death wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The indoctination concept isn't abused.

IT's ALWAYS been constant and a legitimate threat.

Let's just say BioWare takes it to the next level in ME3.

We _ARE_ talking about the same indoctrination that can make a 800+ year old Matriarch try and kill her own daughter and ALSO indoctrinated Saren, AFTER this same Saren called down an orbital strike on his brother to stop the Reaper threat on Palaven?

Not sure how it can be seen as "over the top" given what it has shown able to do in the past...

[Shaun2406]

The cheesy one liners I kind of expected, they've been around in the previous couple of games as well... But hopefully at least some of them will be able to be avoided by choosing other dialogue options in the full game?

What I did mind was that the Alliance Council came accross as a bunch of incompetent, scared little kids to the extent that I found it kind of immersion breaking. I mean, if Shepards been there for some time, (implied by his/her statement about getting used to hot food and warm beds), and the Council believes the Reapers are coming, wouldn't they have asked him/her about how to take on the Reapers/come up with their own plan over the weeks/months Shepards been 'relieved from duty' rather than waiting until the Reapers attack to ask him/her? And even when colonies start going dark etc they wait until they've lost contact with EVERYTHING BUT THE SOLAR SYSTEM to ask Shepard 'what do we do?'... REALLY?

These guys are the heads of the Alliance, they should actually KNOW SOMETHING about fighting a war, I get the Reapers are a completely new threat, and they wiped out the orbital defenses really quickly, but I expected them to start yelling orders upon realising they were under attack rather than standing there waiting for Shepard to give them a hug and tell them its OK...

And Shepard, when they asked for a plan, I think they wanted, you know, a plan... Rather than a line of dialogue about being prepared to die for humanity... Yup, they're soldiers, its their job, WHAT SHOULD THEY BE DOING!

Edit: Sorry that was kind of an unstructured rant, and I'm perfectly prepared to accept I may be looking at the thing the wrong way, if someone could make a decent run at explaining lore wise why the Council behaved the way they did, I'd be happy to listen! :happy:

Modifié par Shaun2406, 15 février 2012 - 12:01 .

[Errationatus]

Do people honestly not know what a demo is for?  Honestly?  You're mining a "disaster" and "undoing all that is good and beautiful" about this series out from one lousy old demo?

Holy. Mother. Of. Fvck.  Talk about a misplaced sense of entitlement!

If we could translate the nitpicky self-serving bullsh!t in BSN into energy we could power North America until 2250.

Do I have my reservations about the full game? Yes, I do. They are almost entirely story/character related, which is not unreasonable since the Mass Effect series is supposed to be about the story, no?  I see elements that have been introduced that do not inspire confidence. What I consider unnecessary character additions/romance possibilities/story padding/media tie-ins - tie-ins that always assume everyone has consumed everything attached to the main product, and that assumption is always wrong.  

You wanna whine about bad writing, read the fecking books, and those hackneyed comics. That's why I didn't have a clue who "Kai-Leng" or "Gillian Hoosits" was - nor did I care.  Could they work out to be interesting characters in their own right?  Certainly.  Are they simply there as contrivances to move ME3's story along? That's more likely.  Why else would they spring the pointless reporter on us in a "Meet the voice cast" vid?  Sorry.  Fishy.

Did ME2 have so few fans that ME3 needs to attract even more? Were not the millions already loving it enough?  If it's about money - as of course it is - then, no, they weren't.  That's one of the realities that has to be kept in consideration.  Some folks are ascribing a level of integrity to corporate interests - of which Bioware is a part -  that simply aren't there. Compromises between story and bottom line will always have to be made.  Bioware is, at the end of the day, on Earth to make money, and we all can suck on it.  That's not 'evil', it's just simple reality.

You and I are not the critics they listen to, because we cannot justly criticize until we've bought the game, and by then it is way too late.  They have your money then, and the corporate maw is fed until the next time.  All anyone with taste can hope for is that they don't dip too deep into pop culture references and lowest common denominator, and avoid the product the next time.

This next bit, I think, is very important, and something we should all remember:

The demo is not enough for you to condemn the entire game.  No one on this board is that discerning or perceptive.

I've read enough of the leak to know that if Bioware did not change it radically, great big chunks of the story (some which are really rather pointless/stupid/massively contrived) are going to cause large sections of the community to howl.  

Of course, they'll do that anyway, no matter how good it might be.  

The public that pays cash to watch dreck like the Transformers and sequels, who allowed the studios and book companies to put out sequel after sequel of bilious swill such as Twilight have no right to an opinion.  The media has been trying to pound our expectations down to the ground so much over that last few years with idiotic remakes and reboots and rehashes of sh!t, I'm surprised there's anyone left under the age of forty who remembers good storytelling.  It still exists, but brudda, you gots ta dig.

Alas.  This trend will not abate any time soon.  But you don't deserve to not be fed sh!te, because most people don't support non-sh!te.  So, they really need to STFU.

Personally, I will use the demo (which is nowhere as near atrocious as is being painted.  Nothing could be.) as a training tool to get myself geared for the full game so I'm not fumbling with the control set-up or wonder what key does what.  I'm glad they didn't change it overmuch from ME2's setup. That I can do in my sleep.  

One way or another, I will get my hundred bucks worth out of this game.

[Apophis2412]

Oh great, another thread about one of the following subjects:

- Bioware catering to console noobs;
- Bioware catering to loyal fanboys;
- Bioware catering to newer fans, but neglecting “old”, “loyal”, and “old school” fans;
- Bioware bowing down do to the wishes of their EA overlords;
- This game is going to be the worst Bioware game ever!!!111!!! Just look at *insert random game here*!!!!
- Dumbing down of RPG elements;
- This game does not have the things that I want;
- This game is not similar to it’s predecessor.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Oh great, another thread about one of the following subjects:

- Bioware catering to console noobs;
- Bioware catering to loyal fanboys;
- Bioware catering to newer fans, but neglecting “old”, “loyal”, and “old school” fans;
- Bioware bowing down do to the wishes of their EA overlords;
- This game is going to be the worst Bioware game ever!!!111!!! Just look at *insert random game here*!!!!
- Dumbing down of RPG elements;
- This game does not have the things that I want;
- This game is not similar to it’s predecessor.

It's all true though. We're trying to save the industry by calling out on bioware's faults. And EA's.

[Rockworm503]

Apophis2412 wrote...

Oh great, another thread about one of the following subjects:

- Bioware catering to console noobs;
- Bioware catering to loyal fanboys;
- Bioware catering to newer fans, but neglecting “old”, “loyal”, and “old school” fans;
- Bioware bowing down do to the wishes of their EA overlords;
- This game is going to be the worst Bioware game ever!!!111!!! Just look at *insert random game here*!!!!
- Dumbing down of RPG elements;
- This game does not have the things that I want;
- This game is not similar to it’s predecessor.

All of these points can be boiled down to one

- Bioware isn't catoring to MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Rockworm503]

FluffyScarf wrote...

So what were Bethesduh aiming with Lagrim? The 4-7 year old bracket? Splosions! Magic! Dual-wielding! Lame dragons!

Reported and will be ignoring you after this.
I've seen broken records be less redudant and more interesting.

[saturos2]

Mesina2 wrote...

string3r wrote...

This is Mac Walters were talking about here guys.

Mac Walters is good writer.

Your point?

not really.

[Bleachrude]

Shaun2406 wrote...

And Shepard, when they asked for a plan, I think they wanted, you know, a plan... Rather than a line of dialogue about being prepared to die for humanity... Yup, they're soldiers, its their job, WHAT SHOULD THEY BE DOING!

Edit: Sorry that was kind of an unstructured rant, and I'm perfectly prepared to accept I may be looking at the thing the wrong way, if someone could make a decent run at explaining lore wise why the Council behaved the way they did, I'd be happy to listen! :happy:

Actually, this point gets highlighted by the demo itself. Notice that the admiral reaction of "THAT's YOUR PLAN".At first, I was with the admiral but thinking about it (which is weird since the writing acknowledges that Shepard isn't coming up with some brilliant plan)...what exactly can Shepard do?

The reapers don't have logistical lines that will hamper them...they don't have a populace they have to placate...they dont have leaders you can cajole/politicize with...they don't have strategic resources that you can attack and weaken them...

The only thing you can do is fight them as hard as possible.. 

[Rockworm503]

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

This thread make me think if the world-class writers posting in here were in charge, ME3 would be the length of Dragonball Z, with each conversation being so drawn out and trivialized that it lasted entire missions long.

On the bright side of that, the game would be about 500 hours longer;

Seriously guys, I saw NOTHING wrong with the demo's writing. I'm not a world-class writer, but I am a very picky critic when it comes to sci-fi.

So glad I can finally say goodbye to this forum, now that the series is over and ME3 is almost here.


Goodbye and so long, all of you long-winded, blithering buffoons. May you perpetually argue in internet purgatory til the end of your days.

ON THE NEXT EPISODE OF MASS EFFECT 3!!!  Shepard gets his ass in gear, but has a 30 minute conversation with a Reaper on Earth before leaving so we can feel the immersion!!!! *plays ending credits*

hahaha thanks for the laugh this is good.
People expecting shakespeare or something when the threat that the last 2 games have been alluding to is finally here and some people need MORE reason to get invested?  Shepard (the character you've grown attached to for 2 games now) is losing his/her entire species to this threat.  What should Shep stand there and agonize over the decison to leave more?  Because this threat is totally going to wait around for him to finally go "OK I'll get the other races together"

Sometimes I wonder why I post on here.  People want their cake and eat it too.
Its a demo
Demos always have dialog taken out to avoid spoilers.  But wait that dialog taken out may have made me pre-order it.
Ok so demos have the introduction without anything taken out and people would complaing about Spoilers!!!
Where the hell was my 30 minute existential debate intro in Super Mario Bros? 

[Rockworm503]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I care about my Earth. I don't inherently care about a fictitious
version of it, populated by fictitious people.  If an author is trying to craft an emotionally
weighted situation, they must create a connection between the reader (player) and
the situation at hand.

There is no reason the player should care about these
fictitious people, it is the author's job to make them.

So no.

Well obviously you're gonna be more immersed if you played the last two games.  Honestly, it makes no sense at all to play or watch the last part of a trilogy when you don't even know what's going on.  Not saying I don't think people can't buy the game, but obviously you're going to be more into it if you've played the other two games before this one and have carried your Shepard through hell and back while fighting against the Reapers.

  



they should make Earth matter to Shepard since he or she is a human after all . there is no distress on Shepard's face like dam I have to leave my home planet to gather allies .

youmena  other then the breife face of sorrow at the kid dying, then a grim determination?

Shepard cant afford tot break down and cry

Crying and not acting like a robot are two different things.

Yeah robots close their eyes in anguish over a random boy's death all the time