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[android654]

Hunter of Legends wrote...No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Have you read the leak and played the demo? I have and the writing content is not what I expected after having played both games.

[N7Infernox]

squee365 wrote...

FinalFantasy84 wrote...

In the end, it all comes down to the fact that as much as you all complain, you're still going to buy the game. Bioware is still going to make their money, and all this complaining will be drawn up as useless.  

This, now and forever. So stay classy, my friends.

[Rockworm503]

teh_619 wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I don't need to be a writer to know if I've enjoyed a story or not.

No you don't, but you should know what good writing is if you want to complain about bad writing, which isn't the case for many people around here.

I don't even need to be able to READ to figure out that "WE FIGHT OR WE DIE DERP" or "IT'S NOT ABOUT STRATEGY HURP" is bad.. BAD writing for god's sake.

taking the dialog into context might help.
I'm not seeing much bad writing as you all say it is.
I see a bunch of people taking phrases out of context and just going hehe DERP.
What could have been said in its place?  Should Shepard have put together a battle plan then and there?
I just don't see why people are so worked up over this.  Shepard had a plan.... He/She was going to prepare for the reapers and no one believed him/her and now it is as simple as fight or we die.  Strategy went out the window the second they took away his commander / spectre status.

[Rockworm503]

DashRunner92 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

still its only a demo

Dialogue doesn't change just because it's a demo

It does when it was changed for the demo like for this one.

[MerchantGOL]

android654 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Have you read the leak and played the demo? I have and the writing content is not what I expected after having played both games.

soudns like you werent paying attention then

[Rockworm503]

Something I just noticed.
What is quaity and why is the OP disappointed in it?

[Hunter of Legends]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

As I said in another thread, it's hilarious seeing the people who complain about the writing and then show their attempts at writing a scene. Most people here have no idea what good writing is, and that goes double for the fan-fiction writers on this site.

It's even more hilarious when people throw together a quick concept as an example (that still works better than what's in the game), and you proceed to treat it like a fully-fleshed out piece of writing.

If it worked better than what was in the game we wouldn't be making fun of you.

[Hunter of Legends]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
They should be more realisitc. Insinuating that they themselves can write better and that Bioware writers are terrible is hilarious at best.

Maybe some of us can. Who knows.
We sure know the writing could be better.

When they don't even understand basic concepts like "cliche" and "character archetypes" yes they shouldn't be talking about how the writing is. If I am not a rocket scientist I shouldn't be commenting on how the rocket should be built.

If the rocket fails to lift off? And I have some knowledge in that area?
Yes, yes I can.

See the problem here is that the rocket isn't falling off.

And it's also one of the best designed and effective rockets out their. So your screams of "it's bad" falls on very deaf and very annoyed at the lack of intellgent thought ears.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Yeah, all you've done is admit that your views, and everybody else's views, are invalid and therefore not worth discussing. If you'd like to argue that the writing in ME3 is good, or that you think that it's good, then go right ahead. Otherwise, leave that condescending "you're not qualified to judge this material" attitude in the crapper where it belongs.

This is a discussion forum. Working to discredit other people's views without actually backing up your own is trademarked by Bill O'Reilly and his FOX News associates. You don't want their lawyers banging on your door at 3AM, do you? 

Please stop it. <3

[Hunter of Legends]

android654 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Have you read the leak and played the demo? I have and the writing content is not what I expected after having played both games.

I have.

It is nothing we haven't seen already, and compared to most other games out there this writing is AAA quality.

[Hunter of Legends]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Yeah, all you've done is admit that your views, and everybody else's views, are invalid and therefore not worth discussing. If you'd like to argue that the writing in ME3 is good, or that you think that it's good, then go right ahead. Otherwise, leave that condescending "you're not qualified to judge this material" attitude in the crapper where it belongs.

This is a discussion forum. Working to discredit other people's views without actually backing up your own is trademarked by Bill O'Reilly and his FOX News associates. You don't want their lawyers banging on your door at 3AM, do you? 

Please stop it. <3

Has anyone had their works published in a book?

What were your english and rhetoric grades?

Do you understand basic literature and how it's structured.

Many of these questions answers from many of you would all show just how ignorant or bad at writing YOU are. (That was a generic you, not you specifically).

[android654]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

android654 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Have you read the leak and played the demo? I have and the writing content is not what I expected after having played both games.

I have.

It is nothing we haven't seen already, and compared to most other games out there this writing is AAA quality.

It's not supposed to be compared to every other game. What made me like Bioware games was the fact that the writing and atmosphere felt different. This game does feel different, but that difference translates into generic.

Modifié par android654, 16 février 2012 - 01:32 .

[Hunter of Legends]

android654 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

android654 wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Have you read the leak and played the demo? I have and the writing content is not what I expected after having played both games.

I have.

It is nothing we haven't seen already, and compared to most other games out there this writing is AAA quality.

It's not supposed to be compared to every other game. What made me like Bioware games was the fact that the writing and atmosphere felt different. THis game does feel different, but that difference translates into generic.

Why not? You should hold it up to other games and celebrate it's better qualities.

Writing is one of those. Now if all you detractors are saying is that the writing isn't up to Biowares par that's fine.



Hearing the words "THIS WRITING IT TERRIBLE/BAD/HORRIBLE" like you just watched an Uwe Boll film makes ME cringe.

[didymos1120]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

*reads thread*

*goes to cancel pre-order again*

Wait...I heard you got perma-banned.

[Ghost Lightning]

Isn't this the same demo that was leaked months ago? You know, the one that caused Bioware to say they were gonna change certain thing in the story cause of the reaction to the leaked script? I think in this specific instance the "it's just a demo" argument has at least a bit of validity to it.

[Rockworm503]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

*reads thread*

*goes to cancel pre-order again*

*reads thread*

*pretends to cancel pre-order that doesn't exist but instead actually does pre-order*

[teh_619]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

No, you "think" it's bad.

That OPINION may or may not be correct. I'd be willing to say there is a 90% chance anyone saying the writing is bad is full of it and needs to stop being a drama queen.

Yeah, all you've done is admit that your views, and everybody else's views, are invalid and therefore not worth discussing. If you'd like to argue that the writing in ME3 is good, or that you think that it's good, then go right ahead. Otherwise, leave that condescending "you're not qualified to judge this material" attitude in the crapper where it belongs.

This is a discussion forum. Working to discredit other people's views without actually backing up your own is trademarked by Bill O'Reilly and his FOX News associates. You don't want their lawyers banging on your door at 3AM, do you? 

Please stop it. <3

Has anyone had their works published in a book?

What were your english and rhetoric grades?

Do you understand basic literature and how it's structured.

Many of these questions answers from many of you would all show just how ignorant or bad at writing YOU are. (That was a generic you, not you specifically).

Are you dense?

[teh_619]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

*reads thread*

*goes to cancel pre-order again*

Wait...I heard you got perma-banned.

As you can see, reports of my death were exaggerated.

Really though, I just took a break from the BSN for a week. I have to say, I'm surprised that I'm well-known enough that so many people would have noticed my absence.

I didn't notice sorry

[Arcadian Legend]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Isn't this the same demo that was leaked months ago? You know, the one that caused Bioware to say they were gonna change certain thing in the story cause of the reaction to the leaked script? I think in this specific instance the "it's just a demo" argument has at least a bit of validity to it.

I thought this too.

[teh_619]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Isn't this the same demo that was leaked months ago? You know, the one that caused Bioware to say they were gonna change certain thing in the story cause of the reaction to the leaked script? I think in this specific instance the "it's just a demo" argument has at least a bit of validity to it.

I thought this too.

On the other hand, they changed and improved on nothing.

[Maria Caliban]

Atakuma wrote...

I knew the game was going to have it's fair share of cheese, but that demo contained some of the most ham-fisted dialougue I've ever seen in a bioware game. I mean it was just filled with dumb one liners and stilted conversations.
Is this what I can expect the rest of the game to be like?

Yes.

[GuardianAngel470]

Cosmar wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

still its only a demo

Dialogue doesn't change just because it's a demo

This. I don't think people understand the concept of a demo. A demo is supposed to be a small slice of a finished product. Not A small slice of a still-to-be-worked-on product. That would be a beta. 

The demo takes all of an hour (tops) to complete. Bioware have already stated that ME3 is longer than the preceeding two games, which were both aroung 40 hour games if you did everything.

Statistically, you have hear a tiny fraction of the dialog. Even if you take that "leaked" script people keep talking about (how stupid do you have to be to read a leaked script for a storydriven video game? I have no sympathy for such people) you still have to take into account the multifaceted experience that these games are.

Bad writing can become iconic and inspiring with the inclusion of some excellent VA work and dramatic music, leadup, and scene. Even if a line doesn't seem like it works on paper it can still succeed because of these things. Likewise good writing can become cringe worthy with the inclusion of a misread performance, poor music, and poor dramatic leadup.

Case in point: There is one line that I hate listening to (and in fact skip every time) from ME2. On the Collector base, when Shep and friends are about to face the human reaper, Shep says "A rear guard can defend this position and keep the collectors from overwhelming us."

On paper, a perfectly good line. It is a simple statement that contains no grammatical errors, is a believable order for a commander to give, and fits with Shepard's character. But it is one of the worst lines in the game because the VA (Meer) sounded like he had a cold when he said it. 

On the flip side we have Samara's line "I am a ruined vessel of sorrow and regret, but I am free." On paper this sounds terribly melodramatic and not at all believable for a person to say in conversation. If someone did say that, you would think they were an emo teenager wannabe.

But Samara's VA did such an excellent job conveying that line, and the camera angle, lighting, and character animation did such a good job making it feel honestly emotional that the line worked. It became one of the critical lines that proved Samara's "humanity" for me.

A bad line can become a good one with enough conviction behind it and a good line can become a bad one without that conviction.

[I_Jedi]

One good thing in this demo: A krogan air drop.