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[CerberusSoldier]

DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where

  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

[Errationatus]

I think ME4 should be done entirely in mime.

No worries about dialogue then.  Everbodee happee.

The script would read something like:

Shepard:  Walking against the wind!

Reaper: Down the stairs and... back up again!

Tali:  Trapped in a box!  

Garrus: Invisible tug-o-war!

This truly needs to be.  If not for your sakes, then for me and mine.

[Blacklash93]

Not too impressed with the writing, either. I expect some of the dialogue to be stilty as it's always been, but some lines were just cringe-worthy.

I owe you more than one, Anderson? What does that even mean!?

The fight's here, why go to the Citadel? Shepard just reached a new level of derp.

Everyone's dying? No ****, Sherlock.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 février 2012 - 02:05 .

[Comsky159]

It's more the autodialogue which makes it seem that way. When you have so many variables which all have to comply with an overarching conversation/storyline, it's difficult to make every potential line a jaw dropper. Once we get the whole picture, and the element of choice is less sparsely implemented I guarantee you'll change your tune.

Modifié par Comsky159, 15 février 2012 - 02:03 .

[AdmiralCheez]

bobobo878 wrote...

Let's not tempt fate now, y'hear?

Actually, you know what?  Do it, Bioware.  Outcheese Benezia.  Then I'll have something else to prop up as a hilariously bad example.

[KBomb]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Forumite immaturity at its best.  Happens all the time, KBomb.  It's up to us to seperate legit criticism from wangst.

But I disagree with Atakuma.  Personally, I don't think anything can outcheese Benezia.  That busty old broad set the bar pretty high.

Indeed, Cheez. Indeed. I disagree with her also. I enjoyed the demo. I accept that others won’t always share my opinions and I am okay with that.
And true about Benezia. Her daughter takes after her, every conversation between Liara and Shep-LI makes me cringe. The whole “marriage and blue babies” thing is about the cheesiest dialog I have seen. 

[N7Raider]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where

  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

Story, what story???  The demo gives you no story at all except the reapers are here and something about the female krogan.  And the whole thing with the dialogue, you people keep bringing up cheesy dialogue but you don't give examples, not only that but you don't even say why it's cheesy.  

[CrypticZer0]

theSteeeeels wrote...

its only demo

they still have a month to completely rewrite the game

Except for the fact that the game has gone gold and is finalized ready for production and distribution.

[Bleachrude]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Not too impressed with the writing, either. I expect some of the dialogue to be stilty as it's always been, but some lines were just cringe-worthy. Shepard is also acting like a naive idiot in the Earth section.

I owe you more than one, Anderson? What does that even mean!?

Huh? 

See, this is what I mean by different people finding things cheesy.

Anderson just stops Shepard from falling down and shep says "I owe you one".

Anderson replies "more than one" and they continue on...

What makes those line cheesy?

[CerberusSoldier]

TieRantaSaurusWrex wrote...

Lol. I liked the opening and don't understand how you could get the writers real intent in 1 to 2 hours of a 50 or so hour game.

  


You can get a feel for the story from the demo . Anderson gives you a lot of hints to the story by what he says 

[Wulfram]

Atakuma wrote...

Pretty much everything Shepard says to the committee is completely weightless and melodramatic which makes Shepard sound like an idiot.

I agree.

You can say in his defence that the committee are also talking rubbish, but that doesn't really excuse it.

[ObserverStatus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Let's not tempt fate now, y'hear?

Actually, you know what?  Do it, Bioware.  Outcheese Benezia.  Then I'll have something else to prop up as a hilariously bad example.

Not that hard, just hire the guy who wrote this. www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par bobobo878, 15 février 2012 - 02:08 .

[Balek-Vriege]

Killitngrillit wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

still its only a demo

oh please, that's what people always say. How much things get fixed after a demo? not much, take BF3 for example. In fact the release was worse then the demo/beta.

It's not solely about fixing.  Most would say the demo is what you get.  The fact is that demo play was handpicked and edited (by that I mean parts of second mission were gutted) by Bioware to be as spoiler free as possible.  What causes the most spoilers? Dialogue.  The parts of dialogue a bit more complex (but not by much) than what's in the demo.  So it's hard to judge dialogue when dialogue was cut and avoided to keep spoilers at a low.

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However, that isn't the point really since the OP is concerned with the writing of the dialogue itself.  I don't see it since I find the dialogue realistic.  This isn't final fantasy when everyone stands around for 10 minutes with people talking about love and heartbreak while the big bad wipes out the entire world.  People are in a rush getting ready to meet some unknown force in huge numbers making a beeline for Earth.  How many military officials do you think would be confident to meet such a threat in reality without being scared out of their minds?  Especially if it supports a theory of someone you thought was crazy and ignored, which pertains to a genocidal unstoppable machine fleet?

Shepard knows it's the Reapers, knows Earth is not ready and knows it's pretty much futile to try and make a stand at that point.  That's why you don't get Shepard delving into strategy etc. and instead giving a realistic assessment through one liner responses.  The fact is there is nothing you really can but stay alive.  Not to mention everything gets crazy much faster then they thought (fleets getting runover like roadkill, Admiral Hackett missing or dead, and moon getting wiped out within 5 mintues or so.)  You actually see Shepard's jaw kind of drop when Anderson asks why Hackett hasn't warned them yet like "Uh... this is going really really badly real fast."

There was really nothing in there that said to me "Bioware is trying too hard with cliche writing."  If I was there and wanted to convey the same message I would be saying the exact same things.  If I saw a kid in a vent that was lost and afraid I would say one of the two things:  "Get out of here and find some place to hide" or "Come with me (if you want to live) and stay down."


Exactly the same two options given to the player.  I'm not sure what people want from the dialogue during the beginning mission save for some investigation options which of course could have been added.  I think Bioware wanted to start out quickly with a bang and leave investigation for later.  The same way ME2 starts out on the Normandy (with no investigation options) but in this case an actual mission.  Note that both the escape Normandy play and escape Earth to the Normandy play happen before the Mass Effect 2 and 3 logos respectfully.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 15 février 2012 - 02:09 .

[Cuddlezarro]

bobobo878 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Let's not tempt fate now, y'hear?

Actually, you know what?  Do it, Bioware.  Outcheese Benezia.  Then I'll have something else to prop up as a hilariously bad example.

Not that hard, just hire the guy who wrote this. www.youtube.com/watch

oh Sc1/2 your cheesy writing just makes me lol

<insert kerrigans queen B**** of the universe line here>

[CerberusSoldier]

N7Raider wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where

  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

Story, what story???  The demo gives you no story at all except the reapers are here and something about the female krogan.  And the whole thing with the dialogue, you people keep bringing up cheesy dialogue but you don't give examples, not only that but you don't even say why it's cheesy.  

  


Oh I am sorry bioware fan boy but the dialogue in the demo sucked ass and to say you can't get a story from it is bull sh*t when anderson says go to the citadel and talk to the council Oh my god really am I suppose to play Shepard has to prove crap again . and the idea about collecting allies If that is the majority of the game then they learned nothing from 2 at all . it has nothing to do with dialogue choice because the story and dialogue suck

[AdmiralCheez]

bobobo878 wrote...

Not that hard, just hire the guy who wrote this. www.youtube.com/watch

Oh yes.  That.

OH BLIZZARD.

[Matt VT Schlo]

Mac Walters = 1/3rd the talent of Drew

[bucyrus5000]

"I'll bring all the fleets I can!" ikk! What a ridiculous sounding line that was. It stands out to me. I wish Sheppard said instead, "I'll bring the whole damn galaxy, even if I have to drag them here!" Still a bit flat but at least it doesn't sound like, "All you bases belong to me!", or however it goes.

[ObserverStatus]

Cuddlezarro wrote...
oh Sc1/2 your cheesy writing just makes me lol
<insert kerrigans queen B**** of the universe line here>

And yet, somehow SC2 made SC1 sound like Sunset Blvd in dialogue quality.

[silver_sparrow]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

But krogan air drop!

I loved that line! I also enjoyed the dialogue between Liara, Wrex, and Garrus. The squad mates actually showed their personality and interacted with what was going on instead of just fading into the background like they did in ME1 and ME2.

[AdmiralCheez]

bobobo878 wrote...

And yet, somehow SC2 made SC1 sound like Sunset Blvd in dialogue quality.

I wonder, do SC fans pick fights about it as much as ME fans do?

This is the only gaming forum I regularly visit.

[squee365]

Matt VT Schlo wrote...

Mac Walters = 1/3rd the talent of Drew

After that Revan book...I'd say Drew is actually 1/3 as good as Mac >_>

[Cuddlezarro]

bobobo878 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...
oh Sc1/2 your cheesy writing just makes me lol
<insert kerrigans queen B**** of the universe line here>

And yet, somehow SC2 made SC1 sound like Sunset Blvd in dialogue quality.

yeah...

I liked tychus though corny as he may be but the whole kerrigan/raynor stuff was just corny in a non entertaining way

I wonder, do SC fans pick fights about it as much as ME fans do?

This is the only gaming forum I regularly visit.

SC fans play for the competitive multiplayer not storyline so not really

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 15 février 2012 - 02:16 .

[United_Strafes]

Provo_101 wrote...

I'm disappointed in the quality of writing in this thread.

[N7Raider]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where

  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

Story, what story???  The demo gives you no story at all except the reapers are here and something about the female krogan.  And the whole thing with the dialogue, you people keep bringing up cheesy dialogue but you don't give examples, not only that but you don't even say why it's cheesy.  

  


Oh I am sorry bioware fan boy but the dialogue in the demo sucked ass and to say you can't get a story from it is bull sh*t when anderson says go to the citadel and talk to the council Oh my god really am I suppose to play Shepard has to prove crap again . and the idea about collecting allies If that is the majority of the game then they learned nothing from 2 at all . it has nothing to do with dialogue choice because the story and dialogue suck

At what point did I ever defend bioware?  Why is it that everytime you disagree with some overly bitter pesimist you're automatically a fanboy?  Well ya know what you're just a hater than, an overly bitter angry hater.    I said you don't get a story from it, as for the whole go to the citadel thing you should know that's not what happens because after earth you go to mars, that is not mentioned in the demo so no you don't get a feel for the story.