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[Wulfram]

JeffZero wrote...

"More than one" and "krogan air drop" are not cheesy.

"More than one" isn't.  "Krogan air drop" wouldn't be if the shuttle was high enough for the "air drop" to be impressive.

edit: a lot of other stuff was.

Modifié par Wulfram, 15 février 2012 - 02:47 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

And that's why Mass Effect has the worst paraphrasing system of all time.

F9, that's the answer to out of character dialogue. But theres no F9 for ME3 intro derpiness, because its friggin automated.

And i honestly didn't have a porblem with the "Human Reaper" line

You don't have a problem with the "Human Reaper" line?!

Wait, that wouldn't mean that...

*gasp!*

... this is all subjective opinion, would it?!

[Hunter of Legends]

Darth Death wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

TieRantaSaurusWrex wrote...

@Cerberussoldier.
Yes, but we all know what the story will be about bit the actual finesse and execution of the story is not revealed in any demo... ever.

  

no but I am a little worried that the whole collect allies will be the main part of the game again and I am hoping its not . 

You're going to be severely disappointed then, along with the abuse of the indoctrination concept. 

The indoctination concept isn't abused.

IT's ALWAYS been constant and a legitimate threat.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

do you guys think that Shepard will have to make a big speech to all the gathered races before they attack the reapers

[SealKudos]

Yeah, it was pretty bad, but nothing that couldn't be justified.

As for Anderson's "more than one", he was mumbling that to himself. And rightfully so - how many times has he helped Shepard? A bunch. Hell, the ME1 extravaganza of getting Shepard un-grounded so he could race to Ilos was enough debt.

Of course, there were a few others. The infamous "we fight or we die", "what if they won't listen", "the fight is here"... This is all just Shepard being blunt.

He's not saying they have to fight or they'll die. No derp. He's saying that he's tired of the inaction about the Reapers. Everyone has constantly avoided the issue, and now they're on their doorstep. There is no more stowing the problem. It's RIGHT THERE, it's a threat, and they need to do something about it.

"What if they won't listen?" in direction to the Council may come off as a little whiny, but it's true enough. Even with the Reapers right there, who's to say the Council will care?

And of course, "the Council? The fight is here" is one of those moments that I believe is misinterpreted. Shepard knows he needs outside help, but he's implying that the Council isn't ideal for that. Due to their reluctance to help in the past, he's probably really saying, "The Council won't help if the fight's strictly on Earth".

What I'm trying to get at here, is that yes, some of the dialogue seems cheesy. But don't always take it straight for what it is. Think about it a little, and it can seem more reasonable.

[Ianamus]

Is it really that bad? <_< If you had asked me a year ago I would had said nothing but praise for Mass Effect and Bioware, but ever since DA2, the announcement of Multiplayer and numerous other things about this game I've become more cynical about this game than ever. 

I really hope that things aren't as bad as you say and the game is well-written... but if Dragon Age 2 is anything to go by things are probably just as bad as the demo shows.

Modifié par EJ107, 15 février 2012 - 02:49 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

but it wouldent be rpg enough!

(ps that would be awesome expecially if it had mordin and legion in it as well)

The Brogan, the Brobot, and the Brofessor.

Awwww yeeaaahhhhh...

[Bleachrude]

JeffZero wrote...

"More than one" and "krogan air drop" are not cheesy.

This...

I'm honestly trying to understand complaints and not being accused of just being a Bioware fanboy..but what makes thse two lines cheesy?

The former sounds like a normal line I'd use while the latter sounds like a badass boast (which it supposed to be...)

where does the cheese come in?

[AdmiralCheez]

SealKudos wrote...

Yeah, it was pretty bad, but nothing that couldn't be justified.

As for Anderson's "more than one", he was mumbling that to himself. And rightfully so - how many times has he helped Shepard? A bunch. Hell, the ME1 extravaganza of getting Shepard un-grounded so he could race to Ilos was enough debt.

Of course, there were a few others. The infamous "we fight or we die", "what if they won't listen", "the fight is here"... This is all just Shepard being blunt.

He's not saying they have to fight or they'll die. No derp. He's saying that he's tired of the inaction about the Reapers. Everyone has constantly avoided the issue, and now they're on their doorstep. There is no more stowing the problem. It's RIGHT THERE, it's a threat, and they need to do something about it.

"What if they won't listen?" in direction to the Council may come off as a little whiny, but it's true enough. Even with the Reapers right there, who's to say the Council will care?

And of course, "the Council? The fight is here" is one of those moments that I believe is misinterpreted. Shepard knows he needs outside help, but he's implying that the Council isn't ideal for that. Due to their reluctance to help in the past, he's probably really saying, "The Council won't help if the fight's strictly on Earth".

What I'm trying to get at here, is that yes, some of the dialogue seems cheesy. But don't always take it straight for what it is. Think about it a little, and it can seem more reasonable.

Also this.

[Gibb_Shepard]

People, compare ME3 dialogue to ME2, not ME1. ME1 had lots of derpy Shepard moments, but that was greatly improved in ME2. Saying that its okay for ME3 to do it because ME1 did it is a terrible step in the wrong direction.

It's like having the clunkiness of ME1 combat come back in ME3 and everyone accepts it because that what ME1 did. All the while skipping over the fact that ME2 improved over that.

[Cainne Chapel]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

"More than one" and "krogan air drop" are not cheesy.

"Krogan air drop" was the highlight of the whole damn demo.

Can we please have a spinoff game that's, like, 30 hours of Wrex getting pissed off about random stuf and doing insanely badass things?

I'm sorry but... I have to disagree with you AdmiralCheez.

Best line goes to Garrus after seeing Kirrahe's epic Grenade Pistol

"How do I not have one of those?"

[Darth Death]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

The indoctination concept isn't abused.

IT's ALWAYS been constant and a legitimate threat.

Let's just say BioWare takes it to the next level in ME3.

[ref]

It's not necessarily the line "Krogan Air Drop" I just feel Wrex would never ever say something like that, Wrex in general just felt way different.

[Wulfram]

SealKudos wrote...

Of course, there were a few others. The infamous "we fight or we die", "what if they won't listen", "the fight is here"... This is all just Shepard being blunt.

He's not saying they have to fight or they'll die. No derp. He's saying that he's tired of the inaction about the Reapers. Everyone has constantly avoided the issue, and now they're on their doorstep. There is no more stowing the problem. It's RIGHT THERE, it's a threat, and they need to do something about it.

He's being blunt about how he's totally awesome and everyone else is an idiot.

He's totally avoiding saying anything actually useful.

[Cuddlezarro]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

but it wouldent be rpg enough!

(ps that would be awesome expecially if it had mordin and legion in it as well)

The Brogan, the Brobot, and the Brofessor.

Awwww yeeaaahhhhh...

flying around in the mystery shuttle with there pet varren urz solving mysteries =3

[OdanUrr]

Wulfram wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

"More than one" and "krogan air drop" are not cheesy.

"More than one" isn't.  "Krogan air drop" wouldn't be if the shuttle was high enough for the "air drop" to be impressive.

edit: a lot of other stuff was.

The fact that the shuttle isn't that high from the ground is what makes Wrex's comment funny.

[Cainne Chapel]

I do have to admit... That Krogan Female was pretty epic herself *nods*

My vote for Wrex and the Krogan female to get their own spinoff known as "Mass Effect: Krogan Ass-kickery edition"

[ref]

ME1's derpy dialogue was funny, in my opinion in how derpy it was, the stuff I saw in ME3's demo was facepalm derpy.

[Atakuma]

Neeh wrote...

Sometimes I'm glad I don't get riled up by **** like this. I guess it somehow makes me feel stupid, but I played this demo in ingorant bliss and enjoyed every second of it. I've also read and enjoyed alot of "bad" books, wich some people would write a novel about how awful it was. And I'm relived I don't get a forklift in my ass whenever I overly analyze everything and pick a the lil faults..

I'm not saying there's no cheesy lines and what not, I'm just saying I feel sorry for people who actually get so ticked off cause of it. It's also a highly subjective topic, so I don't see the reason to both argue or disscuss it to any length..

You know, usually I'm exactly the same way.  Maybe these forums are starting to corrupt me with their evil magick.

Modifié par Atakuma, 15 février 2012 - 02:52 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

And that's why Mass Effect has the worst paraphrasing system of all time.

F9, that's the answer to out of character dialogue. But theres no F9 for ME3 intro derpiness, because its friggin automated.

And i honestly didn't have a porblem with the "Human Reaper" line

You don't have a problem with the "Human Reaper" line?!

Wait, that wouldn't mean that...

*gasp!*

... this is all subjective opinion, would it?!

No, not when it comes to what is said at the beginning of ME3. Any somewhat competent person would see the logical contradiction in "This isn't about planning or tactics! It's about survival!" and would see the idiocy in Shepard thinking that staying on Earth to fight will actually work.

That **** is not subjective at all.

[CrypticZer0]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

SC fans play for the competitive multiplayer not storyline so not really

Precisely.

Though if anyone wants to compare anything in terms of gaming forums, then you might as well compare the BSN to the Starcraft 2 forums, where 99% of the threads/posts are nothing more than someone complaining about one thing or the other being imbalanced or another thing being overpowered.

Terran is imba, Marines are OP, Protoss = cheesy 2-base all in everygame, Zerg = whiny brats... it goes on and on, that's just a tiny slice of what infests that place.  Enough to melt your brain.

Mass Effect community needs a Sean "Day[9]" Plott... 

[Icinix]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I do have to admit... That Krogan Female was pretty epic herself *nods*

My vote for Wrex and the Krogan female to get their own spinoff known as "Mass Effect: Krogan Ass-kickery edition"

They could Krogan Air drop three feet onto Salarian worlds while the Salarian's panic and declare unauthorised landings!

I did really find Wrex and the Salarians awesome in that scene. Was a good bit of light comic relief.

[CerberusSoldier]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

TieRantaSaurusWrex wrote...

@Cerberussoldier.
Yes, but we all know what the story will be about bit the actual finesse and execution of the story is not revealed in any demo... ever.

  

no but I am a little worried that the whole collect allies will be the main part of the game again and I am hoping its not . 

You're going to be severely disappointed then, along with the abuse of the indoctrination concept. 

The indoctination concept isn't abused.

IT's ALWAYS been constant and a legitimate threat.

 

Oh please its so stupid. yes it is being abused but you bioware fans have no idea how bad the game is unless you read the leaked script .

[Kail Ashton]

so 7 pages of "krogan air drop" complaints? really? REEEAAAAALLY????

and i thought the star wars nerds rage'n over the phantom menance changes were bad, wth people >__>:

[FluffyScarf]

Gaming sites didn't call out Bethesduh for ruining Lagrim. What makes you think they'll do the same to ME3?