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[MerchantGOL]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

TieRantaSaurusWrex wrote...

@Cerberussoldier.
Yes, but we all know what the story will be about bit the actual finesse and execution of the story is not revealed in any demo... ever.

  

no but I am a little worried that the whole collect allies will be the main part of the game again and I am hoping its not . 

You're going to be severely disappointed then, along with the abuse of the indoctrination concept. 

The indoctination concept isn't abused.

IT's ALWAYS been constant and a legitimate threat.

ITs's The reapers stongest weapon, always has been, if you dont like it *and the theme of unity that has been present since u first met nihlus in me1* then i dont get why you like the franchise in the first place

[Cuddlezarro]

CrypticZer0 wrote...

Precisely.

Though if anyone wants to compare anything in terms of gaming forums, then you might as well compare the BSN to the Starcraft 2 forums, where 99% of the threads/posts are nothing more than someone complaining about one thing or the other being imbalanced or another thing being overpowered.

Terran is imba, Marines are OP, Protoss = cheesy 2-base all in everygame, Zerg = whiny brats... it goes on and on, that's just a tiny slice of what infests that place.  Enough to melt your brain.

Mass Effect community needs a Sean "Day[9]" Plott... 

Sonic fanbase is worse IMO >_>

[SirEtchwart]

I didn't hate the "Krogan Air Drop" line, but I figured it wasn't supposed to be serious. The pause in the Salarian's dialogue ("We have an unauthorized...landing.") makes it seems like it was supposed to be a little funny.

As for the rest of it, I'm sure that the whole game won't be like the opening. And even then, the only thing that bothered me there was Shepard. Anderson's "More than one." came off pretty naturally, I thought.

[Balek-Vriege]

I still don't get a lot of these writing complaints. Can someone come up with better sentences to give me an example of what this better writing is without extending the cut scenes by 5-10 minutes? Lines which convey the urgency and desperate nature of the situation, but are not long, forced and/or over dramatic? Easy to say something is cheesy when we don't have to work one scene into another fluidly during a major event/battle. Again I didn't find the dialogue cheesy at all. Are those complaining sure they're not being over sensitive or biased with their preconceptions?

A couple says ago I was playing NWN2: Storm of Zehir and THAT had cheesy dialogue in the beginning.

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SirEtchwart wrote...

I didn't hate the "Krogan Air Drop" line, but I figured it wasn't supposed to be serious. The pause in the Salarian's dialogue ("We have an unauthorized...landing.") makes it seems like it was supposed to be a little funny.

As for the rest of it, I'm sure that the whole game won't be like the opening. And even then, the only thing that bothered me there was Shepard. Anderson's "More than one." came off pretty naturally, I thought.

It was intended to be a snarky line by Wrex like he's always done.  Again people are blowing up the writing way out of porportion (so far).

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 15 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[Mendelevosa]

 

[AdmiralCheez]

Refara wrote...

It's not necessarily the line "Krogan Air Drop" I just feel Wrex would never ever say something like that, Wrex in general just felt way different.

Replay ME1, please.  Wrex is still very much Wrex.

"They're fools!  You should eat them!"

"This is a good place for killing."

"We are not a mistake!"

"If you can't give me a better reason than this to destroy the hopes of my people... *draws weapon* ... then I'm done with you."

[CerberusSoldier]

Wulfram wrote...

SealKudos wrote...

Of course, there were a few others. The infamous "we fight or we die", "what if they won't listen", "the fight is here"... This is all just Shepard being blunt.

He's not saying they have to fight or they'll die. No derp. He's saying that he's tired of the inaction about the Reapers. Everyone has constantly avoided the issue, and now they're on their doorstep. There is no more stowing the problem. It's RIGHT THERE, it's a threat, and they need to do something about it.

He's being blunt about how he's totally awesome and everyone else is an idiot.

He's totally avoiding saying anything actually useful.

  


Oh really is he or is that being a a dumb clown . Shepard has no brain and its clear he never will get one

[MerchantGOL]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Refara wrote...

It's not necessarily the line "Krogan Air Drop" I just feel Wrex would never ever say something like that, Wrex in general just felt way different.

Replay ME1, please.  Wrex is still very much Wrex.

"They're fools!  You should eat them!"

"This is a good place for killing."

"We are not a mistake!"

"If you can't give me a better reason than this to destroy the hopes of my people... *draws weapon* ... then I'm done with you."

See how are these cheesy lines!?

some one explain it?

[Darth Death]

Atakuma wrote...

Neeh wrote...

Sometimes I'm glad I don't get riled up by **** like this. I guess it somehow makes me feel stupid, but I played this demo in ingorant bliss and enjoyed every second of it. I've also read and enjoyed alot of "bad" books, wich some people would write a novel about how awful it was. And I'm relived I don't get a forklift in my ass whenever I overly analyze everything and pick a the lil faults..

I'm not saying there's no cheesy lines and what not, I'm just saying I feel sorry for people who actually get so ticked off cause of it. It's also a highly subjective topic, so I don't see the reason to both argue or disscuss it to any length..

You know, usually I'm exactly the same way.  Maybe these forums are starting to corrupt me with their evil magick.

It's true. I was once a gentleman before I came to this place. Now look at me, can't even enjoy a game for what it is anymore. This community has turned me into a full-time pessimist! 24 hrs around the clock working so hard to ruin the game for myself.

[OdanUrr]

MerchantGOL wrote...

ITs's The reapers stongest weapon, always has been, if you dont like it *and the theme of unity that has been present since u first met nihlus in me1* then i dont get why you like the franchise in the first place

Indoctrination in and of itself is not the problem. What is a problem, however, is abusing it to explain away everything that doesn't fit.

[AdmiralCheez]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

No, not when it comes to what is said at the beginning of ME3. Any somewhat competent person would see the logical contradiction in "This isn't about planning or tactics! It's about survival!" and would see the idiocy in Shepard thinking that staying on Earth to fight will actually work.

That **** is not subjective at all.

Uh, yes it is.

The "it's about survival" line = "we can't stop them and we don't have time to make plans, so get your asses in the bunkers, now."

"The fight is here!" = "I can do more here/the Council won't care about Earth."

I have all the smarts.

[CerberusSoldier]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

TieRantaSaurusWrex wrote...

@Cerberussoldier.
Yes, but we all know what the story will be about bit the actual finesse and execution of the story is not revealed in any demo... ever.

  

no but I am a little worried that the whole collect allies will be the main part of the game again and I am hoping its not . 

You're going to be severely disappointed then, along with the abuse of the indoctrination concept. 

The indoctination concept isn't abused.

IT's ALWAYS been constant and a legitimate threat.

ITs's The reapers stongest weapon, always has been, if you dont like it *and the theme of unity that has been present since u first met nihlus in me1* then i dont get why you like the franchise in the first place

  


Its stupid old mind control and sci fi stories have used it tons of time . oh so if we don't  buy into that old bull sh*t we shouldn't play the games . I am sorry Bioware could have came up with something better . but hey play the game and you will see if the leaked script pans out to be true just how dumb this developer is with this mind control garbage

[jennamarae]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
Can we please have a spinoff game that's, like, 30 hours of Wrex getting pissed off about random stuf and doing insanely badass things?

I'd play it.



On topic, the writing itself didn't really bother me other than Anderson repeating himself a hundred times if I wasn't quick enough for him. The Final Fantasy-esque cutscene-turned-movie at the beginning of the demo on the other hand... But ME, DA and DA2 start out the same way and so does ME2 to an extent, so not a huge deal. I've accepted that's how Bioware starts their games, I'm just not a fan of cutscenes in which I have no say over what my character says/does.

[SirEtchwart]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

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SirEtchwart wrote...

I didn't hate the "Krogan Air Drop" line, but I figured it wasn't supposed to be serious. The pause in the Salarian's dialogue ("We have an unauthorized...landing.") makes it seems like it was supposed to be a little funny.

As for the rest of it, I'm sure that the whole game won't be like the opening. And even then, the only thing that bothered me there was Shepard. Anderson's "More than one." came off pretty naturally, I thought.

It was intended to be a snarky line by Wrex like he's always done.  Again people are blowing up the writing way out of porportion (so far).

I agree whole-heartedly. Sorry, I suppose that wasn't clear. So far I don't hate the writing. A few cheesy moments, but that's to be expected.

[CrypticZer0]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

CrypticZer0 wrote...

Precisely.

Though if anyone wants to compare anything in terms of gaming forums, then you might as well compare the BSN to the Starcraft 2 forums, where 99% of the threads/posts are nothing more than someone complaining about one thing or the other being imbalanced or another thing being overpowered.

Terran is imba, Marines are OP, Protoss = cheesy 2-base all in everygame, Zerg = whiny brats... it goes on and on, that's just a tiny slice of what infests that place.  Enough to melt your brain.

Mass Effect community needs a Sean "Day[9]" Plott... 

Sonic fanbase is worse IMO >_>

lawl, I'm glad I wouldn't know

[Weskerr]

SealKudos wrote...

Yeah, it was pretty bad, but nothing that couldn't be justified.

As for Anderson's "more than one", he was mumbling that to himself. And rightfully so - how many times has he helped Shepard? A bunch. Hell, the ME1 extravaganza of getting Shepard un-grounded so he could race to Ilos was enough debt.

Of course, there were a few others. The infamous "we fight or we die", "what if they won't listen", "the fight is here"... This is all just Shepard being blunt.

He's not saying they have to fight or they'll die. No derp. He's saying that he's tired of the inaction about the Reapers. Everyone has constantly avoided the issue, and now they're on their doorstep. There is no more stowing the problem. It's RIGHT THERE, it's a threat, and they need to do something about it.

"What if they won't listen?" in direction to the Council may come off as a little whiny, but it's true enough. Even with the Reapers right there, who's to say the Council will care?

And of course, "the Council? The fight is here" is one of those moments that I believe is misinterpreted. Shepard knows he needs outside help, but he's implying that the Council isn't ideal for that. Due to their reluctance to help in the past, he's probably really saying, "The Council won't help if the fight's strictly on Earth".

What I'm trying to get at here, is that yes, some of the dialogue seems cheesy. But don't always take it straight for what it is. Think about it a little, and it can seem more reasonable.

I agree with everything except your explanation for "The fight is here" line. Shepard should know what the Reapers do when they invade the galaxy. They don't target just one planet. They target everything. The entire civilized galaxy.

[MerchantGOL]

Earth is ground Zero, they have to stop them there.

OdanUrr wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

ITs's The reapers stongest weapon, always has been, if you dont like it *and the theme of unity that has been present since u first met nihlus in me1* then i dont get why you like the franchise in the first place

Indoctrination in and of itself is not the problem. What is a problem, however, is abusing it to explain away everything that doesn't fit.

well they haven't done that yet

and even then it would be inconssitent for them to suddenly lesson it, seeing as how a reaper can indoctrinate some one even if its dead. 

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 15 février 2012 - 03:02 .

[Rockworm503]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where

  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

Story, what story???  The demo gives you no story at all except the reapers are here and something about the female krogan.  And the whole thing with the dialogue, you people keep bringing up cheesy dialogue but you don't give examples, not only that but you don't even say why it's cheesy.  

  


Oh I am sorry bioware fan boy but the dialogue in the demo sucked ass and to say you can't get a story from it is bull sh*t when anderson says go to the citadel and talk to the council Oh my god really am I suppose to play Shepard has to prove crap again . and the idea about collecting allies If that is the majority of the game then they learned nothing from 2 at all . it has nothing to do with dialogue choice because the story and dialogue suck

If all your going to do is call everyone who doesn't agree with a fanboy than nothing you say is worth reading.

[Chuvvy]

DinoSteve wrote...

still its only a demo

Yep, because they rewrote everything, and then redid all the animating.

[Paula Deen]

super4star wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I knew the game was going to have it's fair share of cheese, but that demo contained some of the most ham-fisted dialougue I've ever seen in a bioware game. I mean it was just filled with dumb one liners and stilted conversations.
Is this what I can expect the rest of the game to be like?

give me 2  examples, and i will belive

Wrex: "Women."

The whole hearing scene. Not all of the dialogue, but a significant chunk of it.

Kaidan/Ash: "I used to." (Heard that so many times...)

I don't think it was nearly as bad as the OP claims, but there are some very notable moments that made me cringe.

Modifié par Paula Deen, 15 février 2012 - 03:05 .

[CerberusSoldier]

[quote]Rockworm503 wrote...

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...

[quote]N7Raider wrote...

[quote]CerberusSoldier wrote...

[quote]DinoSteve wrote...

and it also odd how the same thread keeps springing up out of know where[/quote]  


well what the hell the story at least from the demo sounds like ass garbage and the dialogue Oh my god I mean dam really some of the lines in the demo are so bad its not even funny . they claim to have a emotional story well unless I see more this is nothing more than a old alien invasion story with some pathetic one liners . you bioware fan boys can not handle the truth about the story

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Story, what story???  The demo gives you no story at all except the reapers are here and something about the female krogan.  And the whole thing with the dialogue, you people keep bringing up cheesy dialogue but you don't give examples, not only that but you don't even say why it's cheesy.  

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Oh I am sorry bioware fan boy but the dialogue in the demo sucked ass and to say you can't get a story from it is bull sh*t when anderson says go to the citadel and talk to the council Oh my god really am I suppose to play Shepard has to prove crap again . and the idea about collecting allies If that is the majority of the game then they learned nothing from 2 at all . it has nothing to do with dialogue choice because the story and dialogue suck

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If all your going to do is call everyone who doesn't agree with a fanboy than nothing you say is worth reading.

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fair point

[FluffyScarf]

Why is Lagrim excused for having one of the worst storylines? There's more story in the demo than the entirety of Dullrim.