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[theSteeeeels]

super4star wrote...

theSteeeeels wrote...

super4star wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I knew the game was going to have it's fair share of cheese, but that demo contained some of the most ham-fisted dialougue I've ever seen in a bioware game. I mean it was just filled with dumb one liners and stilted conversations.
Is this what I can expect the rest of the game to be like?

give me 2  examples, and i will belive

"i owe you one"

".... you owe me 2" *smug smirk*


"everybodys.... DYING!!! *waaa*"


pretty much every line in this demo was cringe

Ok so take these 2 situation:
-anderson grabing shepard
-kid in a shaft
and try to make them not cringe

this is my point

the whole game is cheesy. not just the writing. it was someones decsion to PUT that little kid in the game, and to specifically show Shepard randomly nearly falling and Anderson helping her

*break from fight scene*

*hears noise*

*child by himself*

*sad music kicks in*

*EVERYBODY DYING! YOU CANT HELP ME!*

*look away for second, look back... the kid has myseriously vanished*


... like seriously. thats some of the crappiest, cheesiest set ups you can get

and what about shepards slow turn to Anderson

*i will bring every fleet to rescue you!*

*.... slow head turn, deep moody voice*

*good luck*



seriously these people at bioware are aiming this game at people in the 8-13 year old bracket and if you cant see it then youre probably the person its being aimed at! its actually insulting its come this far since me1 and thats what annoys me

[Gibb_Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

No, not when it comes to what is said at the beginning of ME3. Any somewhat competent person would see the logical contradiction in "This isn't about planning or tactics! It's about survival!" and would see the idiocy in Shepard thinking that staying on Earth to fight will actually work.

That **** is not subjective at all.

Uh, yes it is.

The "it's about survival" line = "we can't stop them and we don't have time to make plans, so get your asses in the bunkers, now."

"The fight is here!" = "I can do more here/the Council won't care about Earth."

I have all the smarts.

Survival is hiding out in bunkers? Are you kidding me? What kind of fool would coincide hiding out in a bunker until death with survival?

Again, what kind of fool would completely dismiss the Council's help? Knowing perfectly well that they have no ****ing chance at survival if they don't get help? Seriously, what kind of idiot would dismiss galactic help to stay and die in a blaze of glory?

You trying to explain this idiocy is goddam hilarious.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 15 février 2012 - 03:06 .

[SirEtchwart]

Paula Deen wrote...

super4star wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I knew the game was going to have it's fair share of cheese, but that demo contained some of the most ham-fisted dialougue I've ever seen in a bioware game. I mean it was just filled with dumb one liners and stilted conversations.
Is this what I can expect the rest of the game to be like?

give me 2  examples, and i will belive

Wrex: "Women."

The whole hearing scene. Not all of the dialogue, but a significant chunk of it.

Kaidan/Ash: "I used to." (Heard that so many times...)

I don't think it was nearly as bad as the OP claims, but there are some very notable moments that made me cringe.

"Women." made you cringe? I thought it was funny, though humor is the most subjective of things.

[WeWant]

I hated the scenes with the kid. Call me a cynical bastard if you want but I didn't see the purpose of this.

"look! they killed the kid, now you should feel sad! *sad music*"

That's pretty gratuitous and badly executed.

Modifié par WeWant, 15 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Paula Deen wrote...

Wrex: "Women."

See, that becomes insanely hilarious when you're playing as FemShep.

It's like Wrex is acknowledging that he can't help but feel outclassed by all that female badassery.  And Shep's grin is so like "aw, u jelly?"

[OdanUrr]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Earth is ground Zero, they have to stop them there.

OdanUrr wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...

ITs's The reapers stongest weapon, always has been, if you dont like it *and the theme of unity that has been present since u first met nihlus in me1* then i dont get why you like the franchise in the first place

Indoctrination in and of itself is not the problem. What is a problem, however, is abusing it to explain away everything that doesn't fit.

well they haven't done that yet

and even then it would be inconssitent for them to suddenly lesson it, seeing as how a reaper can indoctrinate some one even if its dead. 

I will reserve judgment on indoctrination until I've played the game.

[Darth Death]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its stupid old mind control and sci fi stories have used it tons of time...

Agreed. It gets pretty ridiculous & excessive.  

[HolyAvenger]

I thought the "Women" line was hilarious. I still chuckle having heard it more than a few times now.

[Blacklash93]

Kind of OT, but did anyone else find Hale's performance a bit... off? Maybe I'm just so used to MaleSheps line delivery, but her tone often seemed kind of weird.

[Rockworm503]

FluffyScarf wrote...

IAA - Outstanding Achievement in Story: The Elder Scrolls V: Lagrim

Moan about the ME3 demo all you want. At least it hasn't sunk to Bethesduh levels yet.

Dear lord you keep bringing up Skyrim like its some sort of disease that must be purged.  Its not possible to talk about the subject can we?  Its "skyrim sucks therefore all other games must suck"

[FluffyScarf]

It's more like Lagrim get undeserved praise for doing nothing new or exciting, while BW is at least trying with ME3, and it gets ripped on.

[MerchantGOL]

FluffyScarf wrote...

Why is Lagrim excused for having one of the worst storylines? There's more story in the demo than the entirety of Dullrim.

iam more curious as to why its excused for being one of the buggiest games ive ever played

i cant even absorb dragon souls or get new words any more on my main game


But its tottaly GOTY <_<

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 15 février 2012 - 03:14 .

[Rockworm503]

FluffyScarf wrote...

And yet you lapped up Lagrim as if it was the best game ever made.

And yet you keep bringing it up like its the only way to get an erection.

[Balek-Vriege]

Weskerr wrote...

SealKudos wrote...

Yeah, it was pretty bad, but nothing that couldn't be justified.

As for Anderson's "more than one", he was mumbling that to himself. And rightfully so - how many times has he helped Shepard? A bunch. Hell, the ME1 extravaganza of getting Shepard un-grounded so he could race to Ilos was enough debt.

Of course, there were a few others. The infamous "we fight or we die", "what if they won't listen", "the fight is here"... This is all just Shepard being blunt.

He's not saying they have to fight or they'll die. No derp. He's saying that he's tired of the inaction about the Reapers. Everyone has constantly avoided the issue, and now they're on their doorstep. There is no more stowing the problem. It's RIGHT THERE, it's a threat, and they need to do something about it.

"What if they won't listen?" in direction to the Council may come off as a little whiny, but it's true enough. Even with the Reapers right there, who's to say the Council will care?

And of course, "the Council? The fight is here" is one of those moments that I believe is misinterpreted. Shepard knows he needs outside help, but he's implying that the Council isn't ideal for that. Due to their reluctance to help in the past, he's probably really saying, "The Council won't help if the fight's strictly on Earth".

What I'm trying to get at here, is that yes, some of the dialogue seems cheesy. But don't always take it straight for what it is. Think about it a little, and it can seem more reasonable.

I agree with everything except your explanation for "The fight is here" line. Shepard should know what the Reapers do when they invade the galaxy. They don't target just one planet. They target everything. The entire civilized galaxy.

That "The fight is here" line shouldn't be a problem since within 5 seconds before or after that line (can't remember), Anderson acknowledges the fight will be everywhere soon and Shepard needs to unite the forces of the Galaxy (exactly what you basically state he doesn't say).  He also says something pretty similar before saving Shepard from falling and right after meeting the kid.  The whole "Anderson doesn't know what he's talking about" argument is false enrcouraged by analysing lines without context of conversation or mood.  Maybe people just aren't paying attention to what's being said and are too busy making up their minds about how bad the writing is.

[Rockworm503]

FluffyScarf wrote...

It's more like Lagrim get undeserved praise for doing nothing new or exciting, while BW is at least trying with ME3, and it gets ripped on.

tell us how you really feel?
I'm fine with you having that opinion but it does no good here.  I loved the demo and even I can't ignore some of the cheese.

[Darth Death]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Kind of OT, but did anyone else find Hale's performance a bit... off? Maybe I'm just so used to MaleSheps line delivery, but her tone often seemed kind of weird.

This should not be a surprise, but to be expected.

[Blacklash93]

Darth Death wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its stupid old mind control and sci fi stories have used it tons of time...

Agreed. It gets pretty ridiculous & excessive.  

Indoctrination is one of the Repear's greatest weapons. Them using such a sinister asset as much as they can in *war* is not ridiculous or excessive, it's simply in character.

[Sgt.Catman]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Op the writing sucks because the story has no weight to it . there is no reason to care because Bioware spent 2 games as nothing more than a set up to this and now they want us to care about the war that should have started in the first game .

yes yes we all know your opinion on this. Just because cerberus turned stupid ur all butthurt about it. you dont need to keep saying it.

[Gemini1179]

There needs to be a thread where all the "It's only a Demo" people sign up and all the "I don't expect the full release will be much better" crowd sign up and then after the game is released the winning group gets to make an "I told you so" thread.

Examples of terrible lines:

"We've gone over your mission reports and data you've collected, but it's all just theory to us." - Anderston to Shepard

"The Reapers?" "If I knew that-" -Anderson to Shepard after Anderson's conversation with Hackett who apparently has complete control of the Alliance's Navy says he'd stake his life on the fact that the Reapers were indeed coming not 10 minutes before.

"No one can save me." - Anonymous kid says for no realistic reason.

"This isn't about strategy or tactics, it's about survival." - ...what? Let's all run around screaming and hopefully some of us will survive.

"This, this is your plan?" - really? Noooo, actually my F****** plan was for the galaxy to prepare for the last three years!

"People are dying!" - oh, the humanity! (we don't actually see anyone die... or anyone at all)

"You knew the Commander?" "I used to."- Seriously? I wanted my Shep to punch Ash. Where did she get off being so high-and-mighty?

There are so many more. So, so many more...

[MerchantGOL]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Its stupid old mind control and sci fi stories have used it tons of time...

Agreed. It gets pretty ridiculous & excessive.  

Indoctrination is one of the Repear's greatest weapons. Them using such a sinister asset as much as they can in *war* is not ridiculous or excessive, it's simply in character.

they are just supposed to Not  use it i guess

Harbinger: i dont know you guys maybe we should make it sportting you know, give em a handycap, i mean were allot of things but  we want a fair fight.

[Blacklash93]

Darth Death wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Kind of OT, but did anyone else find Hale's performance a bit... off? Maybe I'm just so used to MaleSheps line delivery, but her tone often seemed kind of weird.

This should not be a surprise, but to be expected.

I liked her in ME1 and 2. About on par with Meer. It seems like she's trying to show more emotion in FemShep... and failing.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 15 février 2012 - 03:20 .

[Rockworm503]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I'll wait and see how things turn out, but the demo made a pretty bad first impression, and since it's the only thing I have to go on, it should be easy to see why I'm a little apprehensive.

No, in fact it should prove the opposite. Lack of proof shouldn't propt action, it should promote investigation or in this case waiting for more proof to arise.

  



If this game has the same dumb ass lines in it the demo had well I dare anyone to claim Bioware writes great stories .

Dialog = story now?

[MerchantGOL]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Kind of OT, but did anyone else find Hale's performance a bit... off? Maybe I'm just so used to MaleSheps line delivery, but her tone often seemed kind of weird.

This should not be a surprise, but to be expected.

I liked her in ME1 and 2. It seems like she's trying to show more emotion in FemShep... and failing.

Hale has always over acted her lines.

[AdmiralCheez]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Survival is hiding out in bunkers? Are you kidding me? What kind of fool would coincide hiding out in a bunker until death with survival?

Again, what kind of fool would completely dismiss the Council's help? Knowing perfectly well that they have no ****ing chance at survival if they don't get help? Seriously, what kind of idiot would dismiss galactic help to stay and die in a blaze of glory?

You trying to explain this idiocy is goddam hilarious.

Wow, I have completely lost all my respect for you!  Thanks!

Look, when you've got Reapers landing NOW, you don't have time to do anything but run and hide (or, alternatively, grab your gun and start praying).  And, hell, maybe Shepard thinks s/he'd do more good on Earth, fighting the Reapers in person, while someone else handled the diplomacy, ESPECIALLY after the Council turned him/her down so many times before.

Shepard doesn't want Earth to be all alone in the fight, but s/he also doesn't want to leave it to burn.  To not be right on the front lines right where the Reapers are, to have to leave Earth behind, leave the fight in someone else's hands...  That should be a big deal for Shepard.

I think there's a lot of implied depth here.  I mean, think about it--Anderson has always been Shepard's mentor.  Anderson was the one trying to pull the political strings on Shepard's behalf, while Shepard went headlong into enemy territory against impossible odds.  Suddenly, that role is reversed, and Anderson has to hold the line while Shepard appeals to the politicians.  It's a dramatic change, one that Shepard, the hero, naturally resists.

Come on, man, this is The Hero's Journey 101.

[MerchantGOL]

That is to complex for some people to get, Cheez