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[Destroy Raiden_]

Yeah look wise she's a go go dancer in space. Oddly enough she also reminds me of tomb raider face wise maybe because her hair is down it doesn't make sense why she'd let herself go like that and start reading the same fashion magazines Miranda does. The Ash I knew was professional and meant business her new look is so not her.

[Rane7685]

Havent really read this post but I gotta say I love the new ashley. Who wouldve thought she would look so hot with her hair down

[HectorB]

She seems like the she is the same Ash from ME1 just better looking!!!

[Sporothrix]

Rane7685 wrote...

Havent really read this post but I gotta say I love the new ashley. Who wouldve thought she would look so hot with her hair down

Yeah, add to that bikini and high heels. All of that would make the same sense. Because fashion hairstyle (which would interfere with shooting) and strong makeup is the most important thing on battlefield.

What's worse, it's totally out of this character. 

[Nathan Redgrave]

I thought they overdid the make-up and hair a bit; she always struck me as someone who leaned toward a more practical look, maybe a casual ponytail or something. The heels are a bit much as well, and it's a bit weird that Kaiden is the one with heavy armor now, seeing as how he was the one with light armor in the first game and Ashley was the one who could equip Medium and Heavy.

But I wouldn't go so far as to say "ruined." Some of the soldier-ness has obviously been lost, she looks like she's trying a lot harder to get a date, but I can still see our old friend Ash underneath it all.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 21 février 2012 - 01:36 .

[SolidBeast]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

But I wouldn't go so far as to say "ruined." Some of the soldier-ness has obviously been lost, she looks like she's trying a lot harder to get a date, but I can still see our old friend Ash underneath it all.

The sad thing is you have to look for her.

[Ash J. Williams]

I don't believed they've ruined it at all, minus the hairstyle change (which I'm starting to like more & more) & ever so light change in her complexation she is pretty much exactly the same just with a much nicer higher-res texture.

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zyei6c.jpg

Modifié par Ash J. Williams, 21 février 2012 - 01:49 .

[nitefyre410]

BSN: ASHLEY THERE RUINED YOUR LOOK

Ashley: um... guys all I did was let my hair out ..seriously the bun was annoying and I had been wearing it like that for years, kinda wanted to change.

BSN: nobody said you could do that..

Ashley: Wait what... I was freaking Homecoming Queen before I enlisted and like my hair better out...O.o

[Nathan Redgrave]

I do think she looks a lot more like Ashley with her heavier armor, as seen in Ash J. Williams's avatar animation there. And you can obviously add a helmet to that if her sexiness offends you. =3

[Sporothrix]

nitefyre410 wrote...

BSN: ASHLEY THERE RUINED YOUR LOOK

Ashley: um... guys all I did was let my hair out ..seriously the bun was annoying and I had been wearing it like that for years, kinda wanted to change.

BSN: nobody said you could do that..

Ashley: Wait what... I was freaking Homecoming Queen before I enlisted and like my hair better out...O.o

You forgot about strong makeup. And BTW, there is a reason why soldiers (or fighters generally) keep their hair tied or cut. Not just because they like it that way.

[SolidBeast]

misoretu9 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

BSN: ASHLEY THERE RUINED YOUR LOOK

Ashley: um... guys all I did was let my hair out ..seriously the bun was annoying and I had been wearing it like that for years, kinda wanted to change.

BSN: nobody said you could do that..

Ashley: Wait what... I was freaking Homecoming Queen before I enlisted and like my hair better out...O.o

You forgot about strong makeup. And BTW, there is a reason why soldiers (or fighters generally) keep their hair tied or cut. Not just because they like it that way.

How about heels and a skin-tight outfit?
Yeah. Her forced sexyness insults my intelligence.

[Sporothrix]

SolidBeast wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

BSN: ASHLEY THERE RUINED YOUR LOOK

Ashley: um... guys all I did was let my hair out ..seriously the bun was annoying and I had been wearing it like that for years, kinda wanted to change.

BSN: nobody said you could do that..

Ashley: Wait what... I was freaking Homecoming Queen before I enlisted and like my hair better out...O.o

You forgot about strong makeup. And BTW, there is a reason why soldiers (or fighters generally) keep their hair tied or cut. Not just because they like it that way.

How about heels and a skin-tight outfit?
Yeah. Her forced sexyness insults my intelligence.

She even has heels? Didn't keep attention to that.

BTW, is there even one female character who's convincing and doesn't look like Barbie Girl? Even new default femShep is dolled up.

[nitefyre410]

misoretu9 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

BSN: ASHLEY THERE RUINED YOUR LOOK

Ashley: um... guys all I did was let my hair out ..seriously the bun was annoying and I had been wearing it like that for years, kinda wanted to change.

BSN: nobody said you could do that..

Ashley: Wait what... I was freaking Homecoming Queen before I enlisted and like my hair better out...O.o

You forgot about strong makeup. And BTW, there is a reason why soldiers (or fighters generally) keep their hair tied or cut. Not just because they like it that way.

 

No I didn't and please don't preach  about the reason why soliders do and don't do things.

Because considering the fact that  Ashley is not a REAL Solider, fighting in a REAL  battle ,  and niether is she a REAL person... the point is kinda moot and silly.

[SolidBeast]

misoretu9 wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

BSN: ASHLEY THERE RUINED YOUR LOOK

Ashley: um... guys all I did was let my hair out ..seriously the bun was annoying and I had been wearing it like that for years, kinda wanted to change.

BSN: nobody said you could do that..

Ashley: Wait what... I was freaking Homecoming Queen before I enlisted and like my hair better out...O.o

You forgot about strong makeup. And BTW, there is a reason why soldiers (or fighters generally) keep their hair tied or cut. Not just because they like it that way.

How about heels and a skin-tight outfit?
Yeah. Her forced sexyness insults my intelligence.

She even has heels? Didn't keep attention to that.

BTW, is there even one female character who's convincing and doesn't look like Barbie Girl? Even new default femShep is dolled up.

I thought one of you just said she does. She's oversexualised regardless.
And yeah, I agree about femShep. Thank **** she doesn't run like femHawke, too.

Well. There's Chakwass.

@Nitefyre - that's like saying no one should die in ME because it's not a real war.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 21 février 2012 - 02:15 .

[GodWood]

They increased the size of her bust, put her in a latex catsuit and gave her an impractical hairstyle all because they felt she needed to be 'sexier'.

So yes I think they ruined Ashley's look.

Funnily the mindset they had when creating her ME3 appearance completely contradicts her original design which was meant to be 'grounded' and 'professional'.

Frankly, I find Bioware's continued degradation of all female characters to be absolutely disgusting, but, at the end of the day I'm sure the average casual gamer couldn't give a sh*t about female character integrity and because of this their visual represenation will always be to serve the purpose of fapbait above anything else.

[nici2412]

Just playing Mass Effect 1 und have to say I like her new look and outfit much more. Especially in the take earth back trailer she looks awesome. Bioware just schould have given the player the opportunity to choose between two outfits, so most of the players would be happy. Not every player has a problem with the so called "oversexualization"(althought I don't see it by Ashley in comparison to Miranda). And I didn't recognize any other games forum, where this is such a big issue.(Mass Effect and othe games with women in it) I think this is because, this forum is dominated by Americans and when it comes to sexuality they are on par with some fundamentalist islamic countries.

Modifié par nici2412, 21 février 2012 - 02:25 .

[GodWood]

nitefyre410 wrote...
No I didn't and please don't preach about the reason why soliders do and don't do things.

Because considering the fact that Ashley is not a REAL Solider, fighting in a REAL battle , and niether is she a REAL person... the point is kinda moot and silly.

No the point is not moot nor is it silly.

Some people actually care about verisimilitude.

[GodWood]

nici2412 wrote...
I think this is because, this forum is dominated by Americans and when it comes to sexuality they are on the tier of some fundamentalist islamic countries.

I support full nudity in sex scenes and (more controversially) would see no issue with graphic full penetration sex scenes.

The problem is inconsistency, sexism and context. In combat enemy NPCs wear amour, Shepard wears armour and most male companions wear armour.

Female companions however get the 'sexy latex suits'. There's your inconsistency and your sexism. Context is the fact that you don't need to be sexy in battle. That's what the ****ing romance scenes should be for .

Modifié par GodWood, 21 février 2012 - 02:25 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

GodWood wrote...

They increased the size of her bust,

 
Not substantially, though, and to be fair, EVERY woman in ME1 had the same bust size simply because they all shared the same damn body model. If they've individualized her figure at last, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Frankly, I find Bioware's continued degradation of all female characters to be absolutely disgusting,

Tell all the women in Realityland to stop trying to go for the same effect, then. It's not degradation if it's what most of them want to be, anyway.
 

but, at the end of the day I'm sure the average casual gamer couldn't give a sh*t about female character integrity and because of this their visual represenation will always be to serve the purpose of fapbait above anything else.

You're kind of overstating that, aren't you? Miranda was pretty bad in this regard, but I don't think Ashley really pushes the envelope in any way. Hell, if they got rid of the stupid heels and gave her a ponytail instead of a beauty contestant hairstyle, you'd hardly even notice the difference.

[Nathan Redgrave]

GodWood wrote...

Female companions however get the 'sexy latex suits'. There's your inconsistency and your sexism. Context is the fact that you don't need to be sexy in battle. That's what the ****ing romance scenes should be for .

Well, it's a good thing Ash has a suit of armor on standby, then. *points to the CG trailer*

[SolidBeast]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Tell all the women in Realityland to stop trying to go for the same effect, then. It's not degradation if it's what most of them want to be, anyway.
 

That's an awful generalization.
Besides, that's the point. She didn't.

[Nathan Redgrave]

SolidBeast wrote...

That's an awful generalization.
Besides, that's the point. She didn't.

Meh, maybe I picked the wrong state to live in, then. It seems less like a generalization when a clear majority of the females you've met in real life either are New Ashley or want to be New Ashley.

And I know that; if you'll scroll up a bit, you'll notice I said as much myself. My issue was that the post I responded to was blowing the issue entirely out of proportion. Fapbait? Really? She's still wearing a fair bit much for that even if her cup size had increased by half an inch and she's let her hair down. Like I say, take away the heels and give her a casual ponytail instead of the beauty-contestant look and it's like she never left.

[GodWood]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Not substantially, though, and to be fair, EVERY woman in ME1 had the same bust size simply because they all shared the same damn body model. If they've individualized her figure at last, that's not necessarily a bad thing.

When you compare it to her original ME1 bust it's quite the change. There's a pic somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

Anyways, yes, they gave her own unique body model, it just happens to have the exact same ample bosom that every other female squadmate (bar Jack and Tali) got.

Curious no?

Tell all the women in Realityland to stop trying to go for the same effect, then. It's not degradation if it's what most of them want to be, anyway.
 

I'm tired. Is this some kind of social commentary?

Whatever your meaning, yes it is degradation. Men get armour, females get sexy suits. How blunt does Bioware have to be?

You're kind of overstating that, aren't you? Miranda was pretty bad in this regard, but I don't think Ashley really pushes the envelope in any way. Hell, if they got rid of the stupid heels and gave her a ponytail instead of a beauty contestant hairstyle, you'd hardly even notice the difference.

It's pretty noticable.

Look at when you first meet the VS in ME3. If you saved Kaidan he's wearing standard military clothing that is identical to Shepard's. Proffesional, simple and uniform like everyone elses.

Now look at Ashley.

Instead of being in the standard, professional military uniform like Shepard, Kaidan and everyone else, she gets a sexy latex outfit with her hair out that goes against military protocol.

Why? Because ******.

[GodWood]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...
Well, it's a good thing Ash has a suit of armor on standby, then. *points to the CG trailer*

That armour only came because fans complained.

Also she still has her hair out.

[SolidBeast]

@ Nathan - You said it's not a degradation if that's what most of them want to be (assuming Ashley is included, since otherwise that point is meaningless), but she never wanted it. Comparisons to Miranda, as well, are pointless, because Miranda's entire character revolves around being designed to be perfect and appealing. Ashley is a different woman. Therefore, insisting on her "having to be sexy" (just like a certain spoiler squadmate) is a degradation and an injustice to her character.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 21 février 2012 - 02:44 .