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[Jonp382]

I've been thinking about buying some of these games!

Planescape: Torment
Fallout 1 and 2
Fallout: Tactics
Icewind Dale 1 and 2
Baldur's Gate II

I still have to finish Baldur's Gate, but I'd like to have a copy handy. Plus I hear nothing but praise for it. Well, almost. The other games that interest me the most are Planescape: Torment and Fallout 1 and 2. I don't really know that much about these games, other than they're not BioWare and apparently cult classics. At least, one or two of them are. If I enjoy Baldur's Gate and most of BioWare's RPGs, do you think I would like these games?

Icewind Dale and Fallout: Tactics. I know even less about them than the previous games. One review on Amazon says Icewind is a dungeon crawler, the other says it has a good story. Which should I believe? And er, thoughts on Tactics?

[Emryc]

Planescape: Torment and Baldur's Gate I/II are, imo, the superior rpg's on that list. Fallout 1 is also quite good.



Icewind Dale... I'd say it holds halfway between Baldur's Gate and Diablo. It's a bit of both, but not exactly one of either.

[Althernai]

Jonp382 wrote...

If I enjoy Baldur's Gate and most of BioWare's RPGs, do you think I would like these games?

Baldur's Gate is the progenitor of all Bioware RPGs -- it has most of the elements, but not all and they're not quite polished yet. Baldur's Gate II is the finished deal. IMHO, it's a full order of magnitude better and probably my favorite Bioware game of all time (I'm not done with Dragon Age yet so it's not included in this comparison).

Planescape: Torment is a different kind of game made with the same engine. It has a whole lot more dialog and while it does have combat, the combat is practically all filler -- partly due to the fundamental premise of the story and partly because it's not very well thought out. You are also forced to play a specific protagonist (a human male) and while you do get plenty of choices within the game, the central story is mostly unchangeable. Because of all of this, some people have described it as an "interactive novel". The story is very good though (it's not the usual "save the world") and the characters you meet are also quite memorable.

The Fallout games are different: they focus less on story and characters and more on exploration and the world. You get a lot of choice in how to approach problems, perhaps more than in any other game I've played and they're very non-linear (they have a beginning and an end, but most of the middle is free from railroading). They also use a different ruleset and are turn-based rather than real time with pause.

Icewind Dale and Fallout: Tactics. I know even less about them than the previous games. One review on Amazon says Icewind is a dungeon crawler, the other says it has a good story. Which should I believe? And er, thoughts on Tactics?

I haven't played the Icewind Dales, but from what I remember, it has a story, but this story is not on par with the games mentioned so far. Its main draw is combat: you get to create not one, but all 6 characters and so you can have your perfect party for fights. Of course, this is also a drawback -- the characters don't have personalities (this is why I didn't buy the game). Fallout: Tactics... well, I bought it as part of the Fallout package (it had Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics), but I don't remember much about it which should probably tell you something about it .

[Lord Grimnar_AzurieL]

as the above poster mentioned Icewind dale 1/2 dont have the party bickering and their own storyline.

basically your just a group of upto 6 mercinaries trying to save the frozen north from the baddies.

the general storyline is not too bad but it really is a dungeon adventure based game... have to fight to level 7 in parts for memory. it is a good series and worth a look but it doesnt compare to the awesomeness of the BG series.



cant say about the fallouts tho... havent played.

[Realmjumper]

If you want something a bit more action oriented pick up a title called Revenant. Too bad they never made a sequel. It's the best Diablo like clone created except that it is significantly different.

[Jonp382]

Sounds like Planescape: Torment, Baldur's Gate II, and probably Fallout 1 and 2 are my future games. Icewind Dale doesn't seem like my type of game.



I took a look at Revenant, but it doesn't look like a safe buy. Apparently it starts out alright enough, but the game was rushed and turns into a dungeon crawler halfway through. I thought it curious that they were releasing patches 7 years later though, so maybe that aspect has been fixed by somebody, whether official or not? Regardless though, I'll still have to do some more reading on Revenant.

[kraidy1117]

Get Planescape: Torment, BG2, Fallout 1 and 2, Diablo 2, Elder Scrolls Arena, and if this counts as old Neverwinter nights if you love to make mods or playing online.

[Xiphias]

Icewind Dale does have that wonderful BG2 visual style (especially for magic) that Bioware/Black Isle/Obsidian games since have failed to recreate so It's worth it just for that. I seem to remember the story was decent as well.



Fallout 1 and 2: I can see why people like them but they always seemed a bit hollow to me. It's like the developers said 'let's make a game set in a star wars style universe' and created the two headed cows, giant scorpions and laser gatling guns and then couldn't think of anything more outlandish.



I rather liked fallout tactics. It doesn't belong in this thread since it's not an RPG at all but rather a tactical combat game. If you've played an RTS with small party missions (three or four units) than imagine a series of those but done well.



PS:T was another one I didn't really get. A decent game, but not half as good as I was expecting from the reviews.



Baldurs Gate II? Definitely the RPG of the decade, and quite possibly the game of the decade. Can we go and kill a dragon now?

[Smerbev]

Xiphias wrote...

Fallout 1 and 2: I can see why people like them but they always seemed a bit hollow to me. It's like the developers said 'let's make a game set in a star wars style universe' and created the two headed cows, giant scorpions and laser gatling guns and then couldn't think of anything more outlandish.

You didn't see it as being set in a post-apocalyptic 50's sci-fi America?  What about it screamed Star Wars at you?  There were some robots and laser guns but that's where the similarity ends.

[Jonp382]

I admit that the art in the Icewind Dale screens looks 'magical'. Won't try it till after the other games though because of the reviews it gets. I already ordered Planescape: Torment and will be getting Baldur's Gate II soon as well. And then there's the fact that I still have to finish Baldur's Gate and NWN, so, I'm set for a while.



Ah, but then the Fallout games altogether are only 10-15 dollars. Hard to resist.

[FollowTheGourd]

You can't really go wrong with Planescape: Torment and Fallout 1 (or 2). Apparently, if you're in Europe you can buy a re-released PS:T for less on Amazon.uk than collectors normally ask, and the Fallouts are dirt cheap on GOG.

As for Fallout: Tactics, I played that a little bit, but I'd have to recommend Fallout 1 (or 2) long before Tactics, which just didn't feel all that special really (IMO).

Modifié par FollowTheGourd, 27 novembre 2009 - 04:00 .

[Silensfurtim]

to get the most out of PS Torment you must create a non-combat character. high WIS and INT. opens up every interesting dialgue and story.

[Few87]

You need to get Arcanum of steamworks and magika obscura. An AMAZING RPG, set in a steampunk world, and you have a very vast array of choices on how to act. If you can get past the dated graphics and dodgy combat, which im sure you can, then it is a truely fantastical experiance!

[Jonp382]

Silensfurtim wrote...

to get the most out of PS Torment you must create a non-combat character. high WIS and INT. opens up every interesting dialgue and story.

I will keep that in mind, thanks.

[Beerfish]

Go for them all, All good choices. Even Icewind dale was a very good game in my mind. You don't have the party interaction but it was still very fun.

[Xiphias]

Smerbev wrote...

Xiphias wrote...

Fallout 1 and 2: I can see why people like them but they always seemed a bit hollow to me. It's like the developers said 'let's make a game set in a star wars style universe' and created the two headed cows, giant scorpions and laser gatling guns and then couldn't think of anything more outlandish.

You didn't see it as being set in a post-apocalyptic 50's sci-fi America?  What about it screamed Star Wars at you?  There were some robots and laser guns but that's where the similarity ends.

I meant that it seemed to have the same 'lets make everything as ridiculous as possible' design brief but was much less successful in executing it. I am not an American though, so it's possible I'm missing some subtle social commentary. (feel free to laugh)

[GoldenusG]

A couple of other names to stick in the hat:



Ultima VII, was a very, VERY good game for its time, and held the crown for best PC RPG for a few years. Unfortunately, its not aged well, and if you didn't play it back in the day, it's unlikely you'll really appreciate it.



Deus Ex, is still the best First Person RPG out there, they got the story/gameplay balance practically spot on. (System Shock 2, I found the story lacking towards the end as the action picked up, and Vampire: Bloodlines, too buggy, but still damned good).

[Falklol]

Realmjumper wrote...

If you want something a bit more action oriented pick up a title called Revenant. Too bad they never made a sequel. It's the best Diablo like clone created except that it is significantly different.

Heh, Revenant, I remember that game. It's been so long since I played it, right now it's somewhere in the bottom of a grocery bag filled with old games in a corner of my room. It was quite fun, don't remember anything of the story though.