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[Sr.Prize]

Remij wrote...

I just tried the MP portion of the demo and it runs much better than the SP...

Hope this gets ironed out for the retail.. It would be nice if some devs could comment.

This^^^

You guys need to relax. I haven't seen this many knee-jerk reactions since I broke my leg

/bad joke

Anyway, MP does run smoother than SP so that's a good sign.

Modifié par Sr.Prize, 24 février 2012 - 02:09 .

[pmac_tk421]

Sr.Prize wrote...

Remij wrote...

I just tried the MP portion of the demo and it runs much better than the SP...

Hope this gets ironed out for the retail.. It would be nice if some devs could comment.

This^^^

You guys need to relax. I haven't seen this many knee-jerk reactions since I broke my leg

/bad joke

Anyway, MP does run smoother than SP so that's a good sign.

Did anyone besides me see Chris's post?

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Which post would that be?

[Valkyre4]

Sr.Prize wrote...

Remij wrote...

I just tried the MP portion of the demo and it runs much better than the SP...

Hope this gets ironed out for the retail.. It would be nice if some devs could comment.

This^^^

You guys need to relax. I haven't seen this many knee-jerk reactions since I broke my leg

/bad joke

Anyway, MP does run smoother than SP so that's a good sign.

Yes the multiplayer may run flawlessly, but that doesnt mean the single player will unfortunately and i pray that I am wrong guys really.

You know before Bioware's official response on this very thread I was more optimistic than I am now. Because I truly believed that this issue would be just for the demo.

But when official response is stating "we are aware of the issue and we are investigating", then I am officially worried. Why? because their response spawns a number of very disturbing questions such as:

... investigate what exactly? Your eyes? How long does it take them to investigate a such serious issue? More importantly... how did they manage to miss it entirey? If this is only an issue that happens in the demo, why not just go out and say that the retail version is much better, like they did with the ME2 demo last year?

The answers to most of the above questions do not look that good to me... I dont know... I have the game preordered and after the Skyrim fiasco, I see another one of my most anticipated games in danger. I am not panicking yet, but certainly Bioware's initial response and silence thereafter make me worry. And I believe most of us.

PS: I will say it again, I dont care about multiplayer. I probably wont even touch it. I loved ME for what it is. I wont mind if multiplayer runs at 10 frames per second as long as the single player is rock solid 30 frames like the 360 version is.

Modifié par Valkyre4, 24 février 2012 - 08:48 .

[Sr.Prize]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

Remij wrote...

I just tried the MP portion of the demo and it runs much better than the SP...

Hope this gets ironed out for the retail.. It would be nice if some devs could comment.

This^^^

You guys need to relax. I haven't seen this many knee-jerk reactions since I broke my leg

/bad joke

Anyway, MP does run smoother than SP so that's a good sign.

I am not panicking yet,

Lol, This isn't panicking?

I bought up MP because I have countless posts that give evidence that proves that SP is an old build. And I'm talking about as old as last fall. It's possible that MP is a the newer version of the game and is an indicator of how the final product is going to run.

Anything, I say to you, you're just going to turn it into a negative because of your uncertainty. If that's the case then you just have to sit back and wait because it's your only option. You've already voiced your concerns, now it's time to wait and see what happens.

Modifié par Sr.Prize, 24 février 2012 - 12:37 .

[Valkyre4]

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

Remij wrote...

I just tried the MP portion of the demo and it runs much better than the SP...

Hope this gets ironed out for the retail.. It would be nice if some devs could comment.

This^^^

You guys need to relax. I haven't seen this many knee-jerk reactions since I broke my leg

/bad joke

Anyway, MP does run smoother than SP so that's a good sign.

I am not panicking yet,

Lol, This isn't panicking?

I bought up MP because I have countless posts that give evidence that proves that SP is an old build. And I'm talking about as old as last fall. It's possible that MP is a the newer version of the game and is an indicator of how the final product is going to run.

Anything, I say to you, you're just going to turn it into a negative because of your uncertainty. If that's the case then you just have to sit back and wait because it's your only option. You've already voiced your concerns, now it's time to wait and see what happens.

You think i want the game to perform badly? I would absolutely love it if I could with all certainty have my next post say:

"Guys i was 100% wrong, the final version is just fine!"

Problem is, if the issue was like that, it wouldnt be hard for Bioware to just come out and say, "hey, dont fret guys, this is only a demo thing, an old build, the game will run just fine".

And no, I will not just "wait and see". One of the reasons I keep posting on this matter is because I dont want every single one out there to have the mentality "hey...lets just...wait...and...see..."

This thread needs to be bumped/stickied/whatever. Other board members have already stated that they are worried because not enough attention is given to the matter, and then you come and pretty much say to everyone out there to just stop posting, wait... and see. I dont agree with that I am sorry. I wont let this thing forgotten, so when I have the game in my hands I will start complaining. I wont have another Skyrim, where I had my game for 2 months and wasnt able to play it. When I have a product I paid for I want it to work properly and equaly to every other version. Not dwelling on these forums at the last minute trying to make things work...

[Sr.Prize]

I don't get why people expect bioware to denounce every little concern gamers have over the game. I've returned to this forum little over a week ago, and I've noticed nothing but negativity from this community. Everyone has a complaint and wants answers for every little thing and only a small percent of these issues are valid. Devs explain the reasoning behind "From the Ashes" dlc and people still complain. So what's the point?

And let's not forgot the whole femshep situation, smh.

Devs make an effort to reach out and the community acts like little brats. Then they complain about the devs not making an effort to reach out to the community when they finally have something legitimate to say. It's ridiculous.

/rant

Modifié par Sr.Prize, 24 février 2012 - 01:15 .

[Cjail]

Probably this thread is one of the few that concretely focus on an issue that has nothing do to with BioWare's choices on the story, characters, DLC, gameplay etc...
We are here because we have the right to know if the game we are gong to buy will work PROPERLY on PS3 as it does on Xbox & PC.

[Valkyre4]

Sr.Prize wrote...

I don't get why people expect bioware to denounce every little concern gamers have over the game. I've returned to this forum little over a week ago, and I've noticed nothing but negativity from this community. Everyone has a complaint and wants answers for every little thing and only a small percent of these issues are valid. Devs explain the reasoning behind "From the Ashes" dlc and people still complain. So what's the point?

And let's not forgot the whole femshep situation, smh.

Devs make an effort to reach out and the community acts like little brats. Then they complain about the devs not making an effort to reach out to the community when they finally have something legitimate to say. It's ridiculous.

/rant

A "little concern"? Are you kidding me? I am not talking about some femshep animations, or jaggies (although they are issues as well), I/we are talking about a huge aspect of the game, its performance. And when your game runs at 15-20 frames per second, then it takes a 35-50% performance hit compared to the 360 version...

does that 35-50% sound like it is just of "little concern" to you?

So what qualifies as a "big concern" to you? The game not starting at all? Seriously, it is absolutely logical for us to complain and demand answers by Bioware. This is not one of those little concerns like animations or sound issues and such. It is game performance. Learn to demand equal treatment and respect from faceless corporations.

PS: And once again... you people complaining about other people complaining about technical issues.... YOU are the ones offtopic here. Not us. Our rant is justifiable, your rant is offtopic. If you dont want to read bad things about your favorite corporation, please find a board suitable for you to rant about us there. Thank you, and ENOUGH of that!

Modifié par Valkyre4, 24 février 2012 - 02:20 .

[Valkyre4]

doublepost sorry delete

Modifié par Valkyre4, 24 février 2012 - 02:18 .

[Sr.Prize]

Cjail wrote...

Probably this thread is one of the few that concretely focus on an issue that has nothing do to with BioWare's choices on the story, characters, DLC, gameplay etc...
We are here because we have the right to know if the game we are gong to buy will work PROPERLY on PS3 as it does on Xbox & PC.

And why exactly do you have that right? What makes you think bioware is legally obligated to tell you anything? This is what I'm taking about. Gamers have a false sense of entitlement. Whatever the reason devs choose to communicate with the fans, it's definitely not because they have a right to know. What other business you know makes an effort to communicate with the consumer? I'm pretty sure you can name a few but most don't.

Look, I'm not saying you shouldn't voice your opinion but don't expect a dev to come in here and give you assurance. Just because they choose not to answer your questions doesn't mean they problem isn't or hasn't already been fixed. I said "wait and see" because that's really all you can do. If the final product isn't up to your standards, you have a right( your only right) not to purchase that product.

If your complaining in hopes of having a dev ease your sorrows then your just urinating in the wind.

Ultimately, the choice of how you spend your times is up to you. I'm just trying to show you a different perspective on the situation.

[SuperADJ]

I'm thoroughly confused and trying to figure out where I stand here.

I just returned from paying for my CE pre-order from GAME.  But now I'm wondering if that was wise considering the lack of response from BioWare.  Up until I read this topic I'd been firmly in the 'optimist' camp; I've seen BioWare make significant changes to a game from demo to full release (although this is unusual in general) and the smooth MP experience added credence to this theory.  I've even defended them on another site.  But it IS odd that BioWare haven't alleviated our fears by typing out a 1-line response to say the framerate issues are resolved.  The only reasons for this have rather negative ramifications, as far as I can see. 

So what to do?

Well, I love ME and will play it no matter what.  In fact, I'll buy the CE no matter what.  Unfortunately I only have a PS3.  I guess this means I'll just stump up my £70 and see what it gets me, putting my faith in BioWare that they'll resolve the issues.  Any other game and I'd simply wait for the reviews, but I'm so desperate to play the concluding part of the trilogy that I would suffer the technical problems just to experience it. 

This leaves me feeling a bit helpless, and I really feel that I should put up more of a fight before handing over £70 for something that is, ostensibly, inferior to the same product (selling at the same price) on another console.  If it does transpire that the problems are not addressed, I will make absolutely sure I never buy another BioWare product again. 

[Sr.Prize]

Valkyre, I wasn't complaining about you complaining and I'm not a bioware fanboy so just calm down. You're too excited.

[ruiribeiro]

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre, I wasn't complaining about you complaining and I'm not a bioware fanboy so just calm down. You're too excited.

Sure you have the right to have a different perspective. 
We aren't here complaining that Ashley's hair is too short!
This is simple. This forum is called "Mass Effect 3 Playstation 3 Technical Support". We are here for a technical issue. It's their (Bioware) decision to answer us or not. It's our decision to buy the game or not.
Nonetheless imo we have the right to know the truth before we spend our money.

[Sr.Prize]

ruiribeiro wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre, I wasn't complaining about you complaining and I'm not a bioware fanboy so just calm down. You're too excited.

Sure you have the right to have a different perspective. 
We aren't here complaining that Ashley's hair is too short!
This is simple. This forum is called "Mass Effect 3 Playstation 3 Technical Support". We are here for a technical issue. It's their (Bioware) decision to answer us or not. It's our decision to buy the game or not.
Nonetheless imo we have the right to know the truth before we spend our money.

I appreciate you responding to me in a respectful manner.

You pretty much summed up what I've already said. However, the truth is you don't have a right to know "the truth". If bioware never says anything and the game is released with even worst framerate, what can you do? Where does it say in the video game constitution that the game's framerate has to be the same across all systems?

I just want people to understand that if bioware decides to answer questions, it's not due to the fear of violating rights.

Again, if the game doesn't meet your standards, you have a right not to purchase. Your demands will have more weight after that because bioware wants your money. This is why I said "wait and see"

Modifié par Sr.Prize, 24 février 2012 - 03:17 .

[Valkyre4]

Sr.Prize wrote...

ruiribeiro wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre, I wasn't complaining about you complaining and I'm not a bioware fanboy so just calm down. You're too excited.

Sure you have the right to have a different perspective. 
We aren't here complaining that Ashley's hair is too short!
This is simple. This forum is called "Mass Effect 3 Playstation 3 Technical Support". We are here for a technical issue. It's their (Bioware) decision to answer us or not. It's our decision to buy the game or not.
Nonetheless imo we have the right to know the truth before we spend our money.

I appreciate you responding to me in a respectful manner.

You pretty much summed up what I've already said. However, the truth is you don't have a right to know "the truth". If bioware never says anything and the game is released with even worst framerate, what can you do? Where does it say in the video game constitution that the game's framerate has to be the same across all systems?

I just want people to understand that if bioware decides to answer questions, it's not due to the fear of violating rights.

Again, if the game doesn't meet your standards, you have a right not to purchase. Your demands will have more weight after that because bioware wants your money. This is why I said "wait and see"

You seem to forget, or simply dont understand one very important thing...

that a lot of us have pre-ordered   this game... so we want to know what this is all about.

I completely dissagree with every word you put on your posts defending Bioware's or any big corporations decisions, removing every kind of responsibility they have towards customers, but hey it is your opinion. However Bioware is offering preorders, so they are actually -imho- obligated (to say the least) to ensure me that what I preordered is going to be exactly what I was promised, ie "you wont be able to notice any difference between console version" like Bioware said a few months before.

If this is not true, then they lied and deceived every single guy who trusted them and invested his money for a pre-order.

Modifié par Valkyre4, 24 février 2012 - 03:23 .

[SuperADJ]

That's fine, sensible in fact, but what about the people who have pre-ordered? We deserve to know what it is we're buying I would have thought. Especially considering the amount of times BioWare have stated there will be no difference between the PS3 / 360 versions.

The odd thing is the silence. I'm not saying BioWare are legally obliged to divulge the framerate etc, however it does look bad when they have a group of dissatisfied people with a valid point concerning the game whose questions appear to be falling on deaf ears.

If I was being cynical, I would say the silence is because the demo IS representative of the full game but they do not want to lose all the pre-orders gained thus far. Because if the pre-orders are cancelled, and the issue remains, then that's a whole lot of lost revenue.

So far it seems BioWare are relying on us simply trusting they'll do a good job. I've stated where I am on this; I will complete my CE pre-order at full price and simply hope they sort the issue, either before release or with some sort of patch VERY shortly after release. If they don't, well, I'll simply not buy another BioWare product again.

[ruiribeiro]

One thing I can assure, if by the end of February Bioware doesn't come with a clarification, I will have to cancel my pre-order.

[Sr.Prize]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

ruiribeiro wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre, I wasn't complaining about you complaining and I'm not a bioware fanboy so just calm down. You're too excited.

Sure you have the right to have a different perspective. 
We aren't here complaining that Ashley's hair is too short!
This is simple. This forum is called "Mass Effect 3 Playstation 3 Technical Support". We are here for a technical issue. It's their (Bioware) decision to answer us or not. It's our decision to buy the game or not.
Nonetheless imo we have the right to know the truth before we spend our money.

I appreciate you responding to me in a respectful manner.

You pretty much summed up what I've already said. However, the truth is you don't have a right to know "the truth". If bioware never says anything and the game is released with even worst framerate, what can you do? Where does it say in the video game constitution that the game's framerate has to be the same across all systems?

I just want people to understand that if bioware decides to answer questions, it's not due to the fear of violating rights.

Again, if the game doesn't meet your standards, you have a right not to purchase. Your demands will have more weight after that because bioware wants your money. This is why I said "wait and see"

You seem to forget, or simply dont understand one very important thing...

that a lot of us have pre-ordered   this game... so we want to know what this is all about.

I completely dissagree with every word you put on your posts defending Bioware's or any big corporations decisions, removing every kind of responsibility they have towards customers, but hey it is your opinion. However Bioware is offering preorders, so they are actually -imho- obligated (to say the least) to ensure me that what I preordered is going to be exactly what I was promised, ie "you wont be able to notice any difference between console version" like Bioware said a few months before.

If this is not true, then they lied and deceived every single guy who trusted them and invested his money for a pre-order.

Again, your excitement is clouding your comprehension of what I said...

I wasn't defending their decision not to answer questions, I was simply stating the truth.

As far as their "promise", they also said the demo would be released in January. If bioware doesn't live up to that promise, what can you do?

You want them to come out and give you an answer which is understandable. However, regardless of what you think they should do, their not legally obligated to do so.

This is why I'm not a big fan of Pre-ordering: you obligate yourself to a product but the company really doesn't have any legal obligation to you.

Look, I understand where you're coming from but I'm just trying to show what the current situation is.

For all we know the final build is perfect and the devs are laughing at us worrying. Complaining or patiently wait is the only thing you can do at this time.

Modifié par Sr.Prize, 24 février 2012 - 03:44 .

[Cjail]

"Sr.Prize: And why exactly do you have that right? What makes you think bioware is legally obligated to tell you anything?"

We call them "Consumer protection laws".
I quote: " customers have the right to know what they are buying..."
It's a basic principle found in every legislation in all the free countries of the planet, USA and Canada included.
Those laws give me the right to ask!
Also this forums was made by BioWare specifically so that we coudl contact them so I post my questions here.

Modifié par Cjail, 24 février 2012 - 03:49 .

[Sr.Prize]

Cjail wrote...

"Sr.Prize: And why exactly do you have that right? What makes you think bioware is legally obligated to tell you anything?"

We call them "Consumer protection laws".
I quote: " customers have the right to know what they are buying..."
It's a basic principle found in every legislation in all the free countries of the planet, USA and Canada included.

Bioware doesn't have to answer any questions until the game is released. They're not obligated to answer questions about a demo.

[Valkyre4]

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

ruiribeiro wrote...

Sr.Prize wrote...

Valkyre, I wasn't complaining about you complaining and I'm not a bioware fanboy so just calm down. You're too excited.

Sure you have the right to have a different perspective. 
We aren't here complaining that Ashley's hair is too short!
This is simple. This forum is called "Mass Effect 3 Playstation 3 Technical Support". We are here for a technical issue. It's their (Bioware) decision to answer us or not. It's our decision to buy the game or not.
Nonetheless imo we have the right to know the truth before we spend our money.

I appreciate you responding to me in a respectful manner.

You pretty much summed up what I've already said. However, the truth is you don't have a right to know "the truth". If bioware never says anything and the game is released with even worst framerate, what can you do? Where does it say in the video game constitution that the game's framerate has to be the same across all systems?

I just want people to understand that if bioware decides to answer questions, it's not due to the fear of violating rights.

Again, if the game doesn't meet your standards, you have a right not to purchase. Your demands will have more weight after that because bioware wants your money. This is why I said "wait and see"

You seem to forget, or simply dont understand one very important thing...

that a lot of us have pre-ordered   this game... so we want to know what this is all about.

I completely dissagree with every word you put on your posts defending Bioware's or any big corporations decisions, removing every kind of responsibility they have towards customers, but hey it is your opinion. However Bioware is offering preorders, so they are actually -imho- obligated (to say the least) to ensure me that what I preordered is going to be exactly what I was promised, ie "you wont be able to notice any difference between console version" like Bioware said a few months before.

If this is not true, then they lied and deceived every single guy who trusted them and invested his money for a pre-order.

Again, your excitement is clouding your comprehension of what I said...

I wasn't defending their decision not to answer questions, I was simply stating the truth.

As far as their "promise", they also said the demo would be released in January. If bioware doesn't live up to that promise, what can you do?

You want them to come out and give you an answer which is understandable. However, regardless of what you think they should do, their not legally obligated to do so.

This is why I'm not a big fan of Pre-ordering: you obligate yourself to a product but the company really doesn't have any legal obligation to you.

Look, I understand where you're coming from but I'm just trying to show what the current situation is.

For all we know the final build is perfect and the devs are laughing at us worrying. Complaining or patiently wait is the only thing you can do at this time.

The problem again with your posting is , at least for me, the fact that you seem perfectly content with the way things are. You articulate your posts as if the situations is fair for the consumer and that nothing should change. It seems more like you are defending the corporations with your posting, rather than the consumer. Maybe you dont want to convey that, but trust me the way you construct your posts make it sound like that. And hey I am not the only one apparently misunderstaning you.

By the way there are laws that protect consumers and that state perfectly clear that corporations are obligated to offer exactly what they promised to the consumer. I could take Bioware CEO's words about perfectly same versions as quality assurance. Which I did to be honest, that is why I preordered.

In any case like I said in a previous post of mine I give Bioware until the end of this weekend. If there is no news whatsoever about this issue I am going to cancel my pre-order. I still have the option. But it is still making me mad that the industry is treating customers this way.

Modifié par Valkyre4, 24 février 2012 - 03:53 .

[Cjail]

Are you blind Sr.Prize?
We are not asking about the demo we are asking about THE FINAL GAME!
Also no Non Disclosure Agreements protects BiOWare from not reveling technical detail such as frame-rate; in fact for PC they very clearly advertise at what frame-rate the game will run!

Modifié par Cjail, 24 février 2012 - 04:04 .

[ruiribeiro]

Sr.Prize wrote...

Cjail wrote...

"Sr.Prize: And why exactly do you have that right? What makes you think bioware is legally obligated to tell you anything?"

We call them "Consumer protection laws".
I quote: " customers have the right to know what they are buying..."
It's a basic principle found in every legislation in all the free countries of the planet, USA and Canada included.

Bioware doesn't have to answer any questions until the game is released. They're not obligated to answer questions about a demo.

We are not questioning about a demo, we want to know about the final product, that they already got on their hands.

[Sr.Prize]

Oh no, I'm not perfectly content with the situation. I'm a ps3 owner so I want this game to be the best that it can be. However, I understand the reality of the situation. This is why big corps get over on people everyday. It's not right but it's reality. And I'm not saying this is how bioware does business. Again, for all we know the product will meet all of our demands.

Waiting on bioware to answer your questions isn't the best way to spend your time because they aren't legally obligated to do so. Like you said, if bioware doesn't answer your questions you will cancel your pre order. That's the only action you can take in this situation. I completely understand your perspective.