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#551
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ThE-1cY wrote...

Mass Effect 3 PSN version (Digital Version):

Pros:
- Significantly shorter loading times compared to Mass Effect 2. 
- Frame rates are smoother in gun fights and in Normandy. No noticeable frame rate drop in the beginning scene. (PSN version, can't speak for Blue-ray version)
- Skipping conversations and Paragon/ Renegade cut scenes are smoother than Mass Effect 2. 
- Hardly any freeze (1 or 2 second freeze) when entering new area. (Common problem in ME 2)

Cons:
- Hard freeze at Dr. Eva when saving Ashley. Probably more freezes in future.

I bought this digital version which includes "From Ashes" and exclusive Mass Effect theme for only about $20 (USD). :wizard:


Isnt that direct proof in that post that we desperately need to be able to install the game on the console i know for a fact that my blu ray drive is old and decrepid (i own a 60gig launch model) come on bioware i bet if we take a look at the file structure on the blu ray the install code will be there !

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 This is my first post on a forum and im really sorry its to report bad news. Got the game yesterday, played mp and everyting seemed to be alright, then i got to the singlepayer... what a mess. cutscenes are unwatchable and by the time I got to mars with the turret sequence I finally gave up. Its not "occasional framerate problems" it was more like watching a stopmotion animation in realtime. I understand that a lot of work goes into making games and somethings will go wrong specially in a game like this, but when you have a team pushing out same day DLC it makes me wonder if maybe a little more time couldve been invested in testing the final product.

Sorry for the rant, and i hope we hear from bioware soon with some kind of solution, as it stands i will not be able to save the galaxy :(

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again i bet the ones who bought the game on the psn are not having this issue ! are bioware reading this forum i wonder are they seeing the issues are they taking them in ???

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Ditto here, we REALLY need an Install option, or at the very least an option to be able to download the game from PSN if we bought it retail.

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absolutely SHOCKING - why are we paying the same as 360 owners and they get a better game?

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Why exactly was install nixed and not included for the PS3 version of ME3 Bioware? It makes absolutely no sense. It's not like you've just started to work with the PS3. The excuse that you're unfamiliar with its peculiarities is no longer valid. It's not 2007 anymore.

Ever since Dragon Age 2, I've been shaking my head in displeasure at Bioware. The path you've taken is sad. Ah well, not like anyone at Bioware actually cares what I say. You already have my money.

Meh! Guess, I can put down another black mark in my black book.:(:(

Modifié par Simiancustard, 09 mars 2012 - 06:12 .


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ypmud wrote...

again i bet the ones who bought the game on the psn are not having this issue ! are bioware reading this forum i wonder are they seeing the issues are they taking them in ???


Sadly, and this might just be the cynicism speaking, but after Bethesda gave us the run around with Skyrim, I have a feeling that larger devs do not seem to care about us PS3 gamers. Are we really that expendable? I.. really don't know.

PS: I game on the xbox as well, but theres no chance in hell I'm getting another copy of this game. :crying::crying:

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ive got it on the pc (but thats where most of my rpg's are played) but i got it on ps3 as i love that console

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the fps is simply abhorrent , ever since i bought this game and im getting terrible headaches , i cant believe i wasted 59$ on this garbage , i keep trying to swallow the fps issue but when i come into combat the fps lag makes the smooth gameplay mechanics pointless , the company needs to be sued for this because asking a premium price for this is unbelievable rip-off

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Uhm gave it another try and right now its working perfectly. Havent logged into ea, maybe thats what was causing the problem??

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Logging into the EA servers has nothing to do with the FPS.

The FPS is as horrid as it is because the game does not install, nor does it give you the option so the system has to chug away at reading the disc for every little thing.

Modifié par VidulaSaix, 09 mars 2012 - 07:19 .


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Valkyre4

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the sad thing is that Bioware was promising Ps3 users a game that will have no differences with the 360 version...

you wont be able to notice a difference i believe their words were.

Come on bioware speak to us...

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Bioware is afraid to make a comment at the moment because they don't want to look foolish..but yet ..they already have :D.

Mass Defect 3..3 times the issues!

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Patch this please bioware, I love this game.

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I just started playing the Digital Version (on a 250gb Slim Ps3) and I have to say I'm really dissapointed with the end result.

The framerate here is just unacceptable. I have to admit I'm not far into the game (about 2 hours) but the framerate drops are constant and can be triggered by anything from cool looking stuff in the backround to something as simple as enemies apearing. Plus, in this 2 hours there hasn't been a single cutscene where there wasn't a noticeable drop in framerate.
This is far worse than Mass Effect 2. In ME2 there where some drops at times, but here it feels like every time there are enemies and every time you are in a cutscene the game just locks at 20fps.

I hope the people that are saying the game runs smooth are honest, because it gives me hope Bioware might release some sort of patch to help this a bit.
The game isn't bad, not at all. Even with the ****ty framerate I have been enjoying it a lot, but the low framerate really hurts the experience (in gameplay and in enjoyment of the story) and I feel dissapointed I payed full price for this.

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Fbh wrote...

I just started playing the Digital Version (on a 250gb Slim Ps3) and I have to say I'm really dissapointed with the end result.

The framerate here is just unacceptable. I have to admit I'm not far into the game (about 2 hours) but the framerate drops are constant and can be triggered by anything from cool looking stuff in the backround to something as simple as enemies apearing. Plus, in this 2 hours there hasn't been a single cutscene where there wasn't a noticeable drop in framerate.
This is far worse than Mass Effect 2. In ME2 there where some drops at times, but here it feels like every time there are enemies and every time you are in a cutscene the game just locks at 20fps.

I hope the people that are saying the game runs smooth are honest, because it gives me hope Bioware might release some sort of patch to help this a bit.
The game isn't bad, not at all. Even with the ****ty framerate I have been enjoying it a lot, but the low framerate really hurts the experience (in gameplay and in enjoyment of the story) and I feel dissapointed I payed full price for this.


So, even the digital version on a slim has problems...

Gotta agree with you; any cutscene, action packed or not, almost always drops in frames.

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You can't really blame BioWare for working off what they have. It's the same with Bethesda. Sony gives them so little to work off of (ram, CPU speed, internal GPU, etc). It's hard to make a game run good AND fast with what Sony puts into PS3s. The only reason PS3's cost more than 360's is because PSN is free. It doesn't come with charged monthly service like 360's, so this is what we get. Either way, it's a good game. Recently beat it, but if BioWare COULD figure out a way to fix the dropping framerates, it would be appreciated. AND PLUS, I'd like to see you guys make a game this EPIC, smooth. AND FUN, on a PS3 with limited specs that you can work with! They did their best, you can't blame them for that. Good Job PS3 Team at BioWare.

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Nice thread and I hope Bioware fixes your problems :)
For me the game runs ok, choppy on earth, but no problems afterwards. Certainly not always stable 30fps, but fps-drops are rare and not very noticeable and I have the disc-version.

But some things I noticed:
Some have asked for a install feature while suspecting the slow reading speed of the bluray as the culprit.
When I started ME3 for the first time, I was a bit shocked how noisy the drive was. Constantly chopping around like it's loading tons of data. Annoying if it had be like this for the rest of the game.
But gladly after a while it went silent and you can see the HDD-LED flashing which is an indicator, that the game indeed uses the HDD as a cache. Like a temporal install, just no big install in advance.
Other games like Uncharted do the same. No install at the beginning but constant caching on the HDD.
Not sure if an install feature could still help, but it would be nice to reduce loading times.

And some have reported audio problems like in ME2
When I first played ME2 on my PS3 I had massive audio problems. Every 3-4 dialogue was cut off.
Gladly I had played the game already on the PC, so it didn't bother me too much (not that I thought it was ok, but since there were already topics about this in the forum I didn't bother to complain as well)
Later with Dragon Age 2 the same problems. But then I did some research.
Shortly before ME2 I exchanged my HDD. From the stock 80GB (PS3 Fat) to a Western Digital 500GB drive. A model that gets recommendations in almost every HDD upgrade thread for PS3.
But the problem with these kind of HDD is, that they are mainly designed to run in laptops and the manufacturers like to implement energy saving stuff to drain the battery less but which is useless in a gaming console and can sometimes even interfere with gaming. And this is the exact thing that happened to me, the drive slows down when there's not much to do and then the audio stutters and unfortunately no way to fix it with this HDD.
So I bought a new one, a Seagate Momentus 500GB, played ME2 and DA2 a second time but this time had zero audio cutting or stuttering.
Of cause, this is certainly not the cause of the problem for everyone. A lot report to have audio problems who didn't change the HDD in their PS3 and have still the stock drive which shouldn't cause any problems.
But maybe the caching Bioware uses in their games is a bit extremely sensitive. And if a drive is old or fragmented... maybe worth for Bioware to check this out.

And last since someone had criticized that the game runs in 720p:
I'm a bit surprised that it's still not widely known, that console games almost always runs at 720p. They have 5-6 years old hardware and simply not the power to run games at higher resolution.
There are only few games that run higher, mostly small downloadable games with simple graphics, but the big titles, even those where probably no one would say they are shoddy programmed like Uncharted or Gears of War run at 720p. Some are even below. 600p for Call of Duty.
It's probably confusing since the Xbox360 outputs every game with a 1080p signal and writes 1080p on the back. But that's just a 720p images "stretched" to the size of 1080p. While the PS3 for most games just displays the native image without stretching and leaves it to the television to fit the image on the screen.
Both ways have their pros/cons but in the end, the resolution is the same and image quality as well.
And with Mass Effect 3, both versions, Xbox360 and PS3 run at the same 720p resolution so that's no indication for a shoddy port :)
For everyone interested in the actual resolution of popular games:
http://forum.beyond3...344&postcount=3
http://forum.beyond3...342&postcount=2

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Bboyfootstep wrote...

You can't really blame BioWare for working off what they have. It's the same with Bethesda. Sony gives them so little to work off of (ram, CPU speed, internal GPU, etc). It's hard to make a game run good AND fast with what Sony puts into PS3s. The only reason PS3's cost more than 360's is because PSN is free. It doesn't come with charged monthly service like 360's, so this is what we get. Either way, it's a good game. Recently beat it, but if BioWare COULD figure out a way to fix the dropping framerates, it would be appreciated. AND PLUS, I'd like to see you guys make a game this EPIC, smooth. AND FUN, on a PS3 with limited specs that you can work with! They did their best, you can't blame them for that. Good Job PS3 Team at BioWare.

are you for real , xbox360 version runs way better and hardly have any fps drops and they done that with hardware even lesser to ps3 , and dont take my word for this http://www.vg247.com...n-360-than-ps3/ , the issue with the ps3 is simply the result of bioware not caring about ps3 customers by shoving a barely working game down our throat and expecting us to pay a premium price happily :sick: , 

Modifié par atramessor, 10 mars 2012 - 08:48 .


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Bboyfootstep wrote...

You can't really blame BioWare for working off what they have. It's the same with Bethesda. Sony gives them so little to work off of (ram, CPU speed, internal GPU, etc). It's hard to make a game run good AND fast with what Sony puts into PS3s. The only reason PS3's cost more than 360's is because PSN is free. It doesn't come with charged monthly service like 360's, so this is what we get. Either way, it's a good game. Recently beat it, but if BioWare COULD figure out a way to fix the dropping framerates, it would be appreciated. AND PLUS, I'd like to see you guys make a game this EPIC, smooth. AND FUN, on a PS3 with limited specs that you can work with! They did their best, you can't blame them for that. Good Job PS3 Team at BioWare.


there are a TON of games out there for the PS3 that are way more demanding and impressive than mass effect 3 and they run flawlessly...and no they are not exclusives. there are multiplats as well.

your argument is invalid, there is a serious issue here and if one is at fault it is Bioware. Ps3 has produced the best console graphics this gen and no one can argue that. Bioware needs to show that they care about unsatisfied customers and fix this as soon as they can. I wont mind having a few framerate issues, but right here the framerate gets so bad that it eventually affects the gameplay and the experience.

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 Got the game yesterday. MP is perfect. SP has big issues here and there. I played ME2 on xbox and ps3 and they did a great job there, ps3 version I found even better. But why is Me3 so stuttering on ps3. One of the reasons I got it for ps3 too is the multi discs on xbox. Someone told me he was changing the disc more often than actually playing the game lol. On the 360 you have to constantlt swap discs, up to every 20-30 minutrs which sounds like a real immersion breaker

Can it be solved? I am no technical person.:mellow:

Modifié par TheBigLebowski, 10 mars 2012 - 11:19 .


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I noticed the biggest drops on the Citadel just walking around the Presidium or the Docks (later in the game). Also almost every cutscene has TERRIBLE framerate, stuttering like hell. Some of the action packed scenes on Tuchanka were almost a slideshow. I have to say I've never seen anything like this on the PS3. Not even ME2. Not cool.

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and still not even a single word from bioware , this is simply amazing .

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Deepthroat wrote...

I noticed the biggest drops on the Citadel just walking around the Presidium or the Docks (later in the game). Also almost every cutscene has TERRIBLE framerate, stuttering like hell. Some of the action packed scenes on Tuchanka were almost a slideshow. I have to say I've never seen anything like this on the PS3. Not even ME2. Not cool.


Yeah, on the citadel it's horrible! I got the same experience.. Bioware has got to do something. Well we live in a time with corporations so big they don;t care anymore I guess..

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For what it's worth, I've just started the original Mass Effect for the 360 -- I originally played through it on PC -- and the Citadel is PLAGUED with framerate issues. It also freezes every time the game loads data or auto saves, and I've installed it to the HDD.

Listening to people who've played these games on the 360 over the years, I expected it to perform heads and shoulders above the PS3 ports of 2 and 3, but I've seen more framerate issues in the first three hours of the original Mass Effect on 360 than I've seen in 12 hours of gameplay on the PS3 version of Mass Effect 3.