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[The_11thDoctor]

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Bioware: What?

lol! That's my guess anyway... They're too busy counting our money to care about fixing the glitches. They didnt fix them before pressing the disk, so I doubt we'll get a fix anytime soon. That new patch did nothing important. Game still broke on me in a matter of hrs several times... Don't you feel so loved by those you pay your hard earned cash to?
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Modifié par aang001, 14 mars 2012 - 09:48 .

[ruiribeiro]

Obviously they are ignoring us! Look at all those moderator names below. No one can answer us?
THE GAME IS BROKE.
I never felt so listened by developers. (joke)

[ypmud]

ok the game isnt broke its mainly one thing missing thats caused the issues, the game itself doesnt even cache on the hard drive of my ps3 which tells me instantly that the stuttering is caused by the streaming from disc.

[ruiribeiro]

ypmud wrote...

ok the game isnt broke its mainly one thing missing thats caused the issues, the game itself doesnt even cache on the hard drive of my ps3 which tells me instantly that the stuttering is caused by the streaming from disc.

There are people that have the psn version (as mentioned before), and they got the exact same issue!

[VivaLaWhatsername]

Still ypmud's first point of it not being broken is right. The game is playable it's just annoying and stuttery, don't get me wrong though I am not defending Bioware mucking up, and I still wish they would tell us when they plan (if at all) to fix it, but saying the game is broken is ridiculous.

[Valkyre4]

xHezz90 wrote...

Still ypmud's first point of it not being broken is right. The game is playable it's just annoying and stuttery, don't get me wrong though I am not defending Bioware mucking up, and I still wish they would tell us when they plan (if at all) to fix it, but saying the game is broken is ridiculous.

Exactly. The game isnt exactly broke, it is exagerrating to say something like that, but the game certainly isnt enjoyable when the framerate stutters and drops in many many places of the game. I could say it is a bit broke when you play in higher difficulties where a good framerate is NECESSARY in order to meet the challenge. I had to lower my difficulty setting because I kept dying because of eratic and bad framerate at Grisom Academy. It was seriously impossible to play certain parts of the last firefights... not fun at all. When framerate gets in the way of gameplay there is a big issue.

This needs to be fixed. Yes I can finish ME3 the way the game performs right now, but it is not as fun or as immersive as it should be when the framerate chugs so bad... even Citadel runs at 15-20 frames per second most of the time in later stages of the game. Persidium commons or the docks are a pain to navigate....

it is just not the quality you expect from a top tier developer and title. This is ME3, a game that is supposed to be the crowning jewel of its kind in this generation. These framerate issues exclusive to the PS3 version are simply WRONG.

[ypmud]

the point is something isnt right with the games coding (personally i think its the ageing engine) bioware have made some bad mistakes with this release firstly the game isnt 1080p (i can live with that tho) what i cant live with is the shocking stuttering what im wondering is when bioware were doing thier internal testing on their ps3 units in house was their hard drives ssd if so this explains why we are getting the stuttering the game was optimised for the much faster hard drives of the ssd and not optimised for the blu ray drive which is actually slower than the sata 300 port on the ps3 (shameful i know but hey ho), the game isnt broken however the sp is fubar atm but i can play it just cant snipe which annoys the hell out of me, just to make a point bioshock 2 also had wierd issues on ps3 (including lag) and that runs the same engine not sure if im on to something.

[Stefdar]

ruiribeiro wrote...

ypmud wrote...

ok the game isnt broke its mainly one thing missing thats caused the issues, the game itself doesnt even cache on the hard drive of my ps3 which tells me instantly that the stuttering is caused by the streaming from disc.

There are people that have the psn version (as mentioned before), and they got the exact same issue!

I own the PSN version and I don't have any issues what so ever.

[Valkyre4]

ypmud wrote...

the point is something isnt right with the
games coding (personally i think its the ageing engine) bioware have
made some bad mistakes with this release firstly the game isnt 1080p (i
can live with that tho) what i cant live with is the shocking stuttering
what im wondering is when bioware were doing thier internal testing on
their ps3 units in house was their hard drives ssd if so this explains
why we are getting the stuttering the game was optimised for the much
faster hard drives of the ssd and not optimised for the blu ray drive
which is actually slower than the sata 300 port on the ps3 (shameful i
know but hey ho), the game isnt broken however the sp is fubar atm but i
can play it just cant snipe which annoys the hell out of me, just to
make a point bioshock 2 also had wierd issues on ps3 (including lag) and
that runs the same engine not sure if im on to something.

It just looks like the PS3 version of the game was more of an afterthought than a real product of care and attention. It seems sloppy, rushed, not optimised at all in many aspects not just the bad framerate. Look at loading times compared to 360. Look at the various loading pauses during gameplay when navigating the citadel or normandy... this is just bad when we are talking about a huge developer like Bioware and a top tier game like ME3.

And notice... I am running on an ssd drive on my ps3 and the game still interrupts during gameplay to load... unreal!

All this makes it look in all honestly like a product that was clearly from the beggining just a quick port to increase sales. It was not given the proper attention and care that we were promised and hoped for.

Modifié par Valkyre4, 14 mars 2012 - 10:53 .

[ypmud]

@stefdar have you changed your hard drive on your ps3 ? im curious

[ypmud]

valkyre4 you do realise that wont make your ps3 run faster the bottleneck on your console will always be the blu ray drive

[Valkyre4]

ypmud wrote...

valkyre4 you do realise that wont make your ps3 run faster the bottleneck on your console will always be the blu ray drive

I know, I just mentioned it because in other games there is improvement like Skyrim. But skyrim was installed, whereas ME3 isnt so the bottleneck is the blu ray drive. Still this isnt the matter at hand. It is the over quality of this port.

[Stefdar]

ypmud wrote...

@stefdar have you changed your hard drive on your ps3 ? im curious

I was getting ready to write that. I indeed have a OCZ 60 GB vertex 2 SSD drive in the PS3. 
Maybe that's why I never had any problems with either ME2 or ME3. In ME3's case as I have also tried the Collector's edition I can say that yes, it has a lot of problems as it's trying to load from the Bluray drive, but the PSN version is flawless, no bad frame rate, no freezes. (The PS3 coupled with a Samsung 46" LED with game mode on).

[ypmud]

no i totally disagree if you think about the sheer ammount of data being streamed through a slow interface that the blu ray drive uses it proves a damn good point, i would be interested to know if the psn version on a ssd drive had issues (im not sure but then again you would need a really expensive ssd drive with high read and write speeds)

[CopyCatGirl]

ypmud wrote...

bioware have made some bad mistakes with this release firstly the game isnt 1080p (i can live with that tho)

I agree that Bioware should fix the fps problems many here report.
But to the 1080p comment:
Almost every console game runs at 720p or slightly below and only very few higher (mostly small downloadable without demanding graphics). Both consoles have 5-6 years old hardware and simply not the power to run a game like Mass Effect 3 could run at 1080p. That's why the game runs on PS3 and Xbox360 at 720p.
The only difference is, that the PS3 outputs the native image, on the 360 it is stretched to output a 1080p signal, but the actual resolution is still 720p on both.

To the actual topic:
Like a wrote some pages before, I think the problem might be a caching problem.
Mass Effect 2 run pretty bad on my PS3 and after I exchanged my HDD no more audio skipping and stuttering gameplay. The 40h of ME3 were not always solid smooth, but pretty much very playable

[ypmud]

ok now we are getting to the bottom of the issue whats the betting that bioware's test consoles have ssd drive in them and not normal sata 300 drives in them ? that would then tell me they optimised the game for ssd and not blu ray streaming !

[Stefdar]

ypmud wrote...

no i totally disagree if you think about the sheer ammount of data being streamed through a slow interface that the blu ray drive uses it proves a damn good point, i would be interested to know if the psn version on a ssd drive had issues (im not sure but then again you would need a really expensive ssd drive with high read and write speeds)

You don't need an expensive SSD since the PS3 is not SATA 6GB/s compatible. The Vertex 2 is more than enough as it has garbage collection which is required, (lack of TRIM support). 

I can honestly tell you though that ME3 loads and plays like a dream. (The SSD keeping low internal temps also helps I think).

[ypmud]

copy cat girl would you like to know how old the engine the game runs on is ?
its 8 years old now in gaming terms its a relic bioware have made their own engine called the lycium engine if im right in saying this did da2 have lag issues on the ps3 i really dont remember hearing about it if it did also 1080p i can think of a few games that run it on the ps3 and the xbox runs the game in 1080p (all be it upscaled from 720p)

[Valkyre4]

Whatever the case may be, they need to fix this regardless. I believe they owe this not only to their devoted ps3 fans but their product as well. If they want ME3 to be what they envisioned it to be, and their company as top quality as they want it to be, then they need to fix it. They still can and they still should talk to us.

[Stefdar]

ME3 on Xbox is also 720P and upscaled, that's why you won't see any differences in the quality.

[VivaLaWhatsername]

I'm not very technical but what I'm gathering from what your saying is, they made their PS3's different. There for "normal" ps3's are screwed...which makes no sense since I am guessing a lot of people have their PS3 like it was out of the box (like me -- again I say I am not a technical person)

[ypmud]

yeah thats about right i do have a different hard drive in my ps3 but thats coz i needed the space

[CopyCatGirl]

ypmud wrote...

copy cat girl would you like to know how old the engine the game runs on is ?
its 8 years old now in gaming terms its a relic bioware have made their own engine called the lycium engine if im right in saying this did da2 have lag issues on the ps3 i really dont remember hearing about it if it did also 1080p i can think of a few games that run it on the ps3 and the xbox runs the game in 1080p (all be it upscaled from 720p)

Mass Effect runs on the Unreal Engine, not the Lycium Engine used in Dragon Age 2.
But both are not 8 years old. It's not like you create a engine and then there is stagnancy until you create a new one. Engines are constantly improved and partly rewritten over the time.
But how old an engine is, doesn't say anything about how good a game should run.

I know that some games support 1080p upscaling on the PS3. But does that really matter?
It's not like upscaling does anything to improve graphics. Is still the same image. And if you have a 1080p TV, either the console or your TV skales the image to fit. So no problem with that.
I really don't understand the problem with the game running at 720p.

ypmud wrote...

yeah thats about right i do have a different hard drive in my ps3 but thats coz i needed the space

Which hard drive do you have? Maybe this could be a problem.
I changed my hard drive as well, but the first one caused many problems with Mass Effect 2 so I bought a second one and this one fixed the problems again.

[ypmud]

copycatgirl i think your missing the point the unreal engine3 base code (what makes the engine the engine) is actually 8 years old no matter how much modding and how much coding is done to it what is its dna is its dna no different to us the lycium engine i believe didnt have any weird issues on the ps3 i do know that the unreal engine3 has screwy issues on the ps3 as unreal3 was originally written for pc not for consoles so expect strange occurances however i totally disagree with the 720p thing all games should now run at 1080p its the standard, would you buy a hd film in 720p ??? i should hope not !

[rtype33]

I've had multiple framerate and crashing issues with my CE copy. Especially in the Presidium Commons (framerate) and the cutscene with Ash/Kaiden getting injured (crash). Funny enough I didn't have the issue on a none imported save.