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[Loki_344]

Okay... I've already said my peace on this topic, so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while.

We'll see how the final version turns out, if it turns out bad then at least some of you will have an actual valid reason to whine.

Modifié par Loki_344, 16 février 2012 - 03:42 .

[pmac_tk421]

Loki_344 wrote...

Okay... I've already said my peace on this topic, so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while.

We'll see how the final version turns out, if it turns out bad then at least some of you will have an actually valid reason to whine.

We're just angry since the problem isn't in the 360 version. The PS3 version of ME2 didn't instill confidence in the PS3 crowd and Bioware has yet to prove itself to them. I realize(hope) that they will fix it in the retail version. Hopefully a dev will comment(I doubt they will)

[Dwarrior74]

Loki_344 wrote...

Okay... I've already said my peace on this topic, so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while.

We'll see how the final version turns out, if it turns out bad then at least some of you will have an actual valid reason to whine.

Yes, yes, resort to name-calling. Typical mature forum poster. You are clearly not with us. That's fine. So why don't you go away then?

Modifié par Dwarrior74, 16 février 2012 - 04:00 .

[Loki_344]

Well I'm just saying that you guys are basing all of your short sighted complaints, premature whining, and "pre-order cancelled!" declarations off of an unfinished product.

I've seen this cycle repeat itself a dozen times over with big PS3 multiplatform releases; the demo hits, people compare it to the 360 version, find faults, declare PS3 version "ATTROCIOUS", final version hits, issues resolved, people find something else to complain about. It's really getting tiring at this point. Now I'm not saying that the issues are always resolved because I'm well aware that there are some horrible PS3 ports out there, but stamping the PS3 version with a defective sign at this point because of a demo is really approaching ridiculous.

[Loki_344]

Dwarrior74 wrote...

Loki_344 wrote...

Okay... I've already said my peace on this topic, so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while.

We'll see how the final version turns out, if it turns out bad then at least some of you will have an actual valid reason to whine.

Yes, yes, resort to name-calling. Typical mature forum poster. You are clearly not with us. That's fine. So why don't you go away then?

Oh please.

Don't try and turn this into and "us vs them" situation. You've voiced your opinion, I've voiced mine (with more of an edge I admit, but that's just the way I make a point). My maturity level isn't your concern nor is where I spend my time on this community forum, so don't bother commenting on either.

[pmac_tk421]

Loki_344 wrote...

Dwarrior74 wrote...

Loki_344 wrote...

Okay... I've already said my peace on this topic, so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while.

We'll see how the final version turns out, if it turns out bad then at least some of you will have an actual valid reason to whine.

Yes, yes, resort to name-calling. Typical mature forum poster. You are clearly not with us. That's fine. So why don't you go away then?

Oh please.

Don't try and turn this into and "us vs them" situation. You've voiced your opinion, I've voiced mine (with more of an edge I admit, but that's just the way I make a point). My maturity level isn't your concern nor is where I spend my time on this community forum, so don't bother commenting on either.

Yeah, people are being a bit unreasonable here. As a fellow PS3 player, I'm also frustated, but your anger isn't helping guys. This build is from early January, so we still have hope.

[Dwarrior74]

Loki_344 wrote...

Dwarrior74 wrote...

Loki_344 wrote...

Okay... I've already said my peace on this topic, so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while.

We'll see how the final version turns out, if it turns out bad then at least some of you will have an actual valid reason to whine.

Yes, yes, resort to name-calling. Typical mature forum poster. You are clearly not with us. That's fine. So why don't you go away then?

Oh please.

Don't try and turn this into and "us vs them" situation. You've voiced your opinion, I've voiced mine (with more of an edge I admit, but that's just the way I make a point). My maturity level isn't your concern nor is where I spend my time on this community forum, so don't bother commenting on either.

I'll comment where I like as well. Your posts add nothing to the topic. You are only inflaming the situation with unneeded and unwanted hostility, expressing a shared-with-few opinion, and not pushing in a constructive direction. This conversation was going well and in a mature (overall), meaningful direction. Don't come in here with some big-brother type attitude telling us all to settle down because you don't like it. If the topic isn't concerning you, then the door is over there, tough guy.

Modifié par Dwarrior74, 16 février 2012 - 05:15 .

[Fbh]

Loki_344 wrote...

Well I'm just saying that you guys are basing all of your short sighted complaints, premature whining, and "pre-order cancelled!" declarations off of an unfinished product.

I've seen this cycle repeat itself a dozen times over with big PS3 multiplatform releases; the demo hits, people compare it to the 360 version, find faults, declare PS3 version "ATTROCIOUS", final version hits, issues resolved, people find something else to complain about. It's really getting tiring at this point. Now I'm not saying that the issues are always resolved because I'm well aware that there are some horrible PS3 ports out there, but stamping the PS3 version with a defective sign at this point because of a demo is really approaching ridiculous.

ME2 demo had worse graphics and framerate than on Xbox. Final version had the same bad framerate and inferior graphics. And it's not just me saying it. Go to any site that compares games (lens of truth or even better.. digital foundry) and all of them came to the same conclusion

Why is it aproaching ridiculous???, It's a demo less than 1 month before the game is released, on a platform that has a history of bad ports and it's the sequel of a game that had bad performance and inferior graphics on the console despite bioware saying it was the definitive versión in every aspect running and the improoved version of the engine

And I don't know of that cycle you mention. 90% of the demos I've played represent the quality of the final product. People complain because developers tend to just focus on the 360 and give us Ps3 player a bad port with inferior performance and/or graphics. I think it's great for people to notice this and complain. If we would all be like you we would just keep getting bad ports over and over again.

[Loki_344]

Dwarrior74 wrote...
I'll comment where I like as well.

Okay...? Never tried to influence you to do otherwise.

Dwarrior74 wrote...
Your posts add nothing to the topic.

And all those near identical whine and cry posts really added a fresh persective to this discussion, right? Would my posts be more acceptable to you if they meshed better with your agenda?

Dwarrior74 wrote...
You are only inflaming the situation with unneeded and unwanted
hostility, expressing a shared-with-few opinion, and not pushing in a
constructive direction.

My posts weren't meant to be hostile as much as they were meant to be informative. My jabs are just there to add color to my posts, don't take them so seriously. As far as my "shared-with-few opinion" goes, I wasn't aware that I was only allowed to posts in topics where the majority of other members who had previosly posted there shared my opinion. Oh right, that isn't a rule at all and I can choose to or choose not to voice my opinion as I please as long as I do so in a civil manner and I'm far as I'm concerned I've lived up to my end of that agreement.

Dwarrior74 wrote...
This conversation was going well and in a mature
(overall), meaningful direction.

And it still is. Nothing I have said is preventing it from continuing in that direction either, in fact I'd say that having a differing viewpoint present is part of what makes discussion worthwhile.

Dwarrior74 wrote...
Don't come in here with some
big-brother type attitude telling us all to settle down because you
don't like it. If the topic isn't concerning you, then the door is over
there, tough guy.

I was merely offering my assessment of this situation, what you or anyone else chooses to do with it is your business. And trying to scare me away with "tough" talk because you don't like what I have to say isn't exactly the best way to take the high road there friend.

[Dwarrior74]

I had no intentions of "scaring" anyone, anywhere. I simply prefer constructive conversation, in a positive direction, towards the topic of the thread: letting Bioware know that there is an issue. I do *not* prefer having some guy drop in and call us all crybabies for doing so. As sick as you are of threads like this, is as sick as I am of people dropping into threads like some internet paratrooper ready to crap on everyone else simply because they can. And note, I am not necessarily stating that that is what you have done. But I am sure you get the idea. Some folks just have to be contrary and oppose the topic of a thread for the sake of doing just that. Read enough N4G, IGN, and CNN comment sections, and one sees what I mean.

Lastly I'll say this. There is a difference between "Ya know fellas, I don't think it's that big a deal. I have seen this pattern before. Let's wait it out as I am fairly sure it'll be fine." and "so there is little point to me going around in circles with you people, but I will say that you guys are the biggest bunch of drama queens I've seen in quite a while." It's all about presentation. I'm 37, not 17, and I don't appreciate being spoken to in that fashion when I have offered nothing but calm, civilized discussion. A few others in this thread have displayed a bit more zealotry, I admit, but I can likely attribute that to age.

So, it's cool. You came off as abrasive, I overreacted, and I m done with it. Take care.

[Loki_344]

Fbh wrote...
ME2 demo had worse graphics and framerate than on Xbox. Final version had the same bad framerate and inferior graphics. And it's not just me saying it. Go to any site that compares games (lens of truth or even better.. digital foundry) and all of them came to the same conclusion

The PS3 version of ME2 had issues, I've never disputed that.

Fbh wrote...
Why is it aproaching ridiculous???, It's a demo less than 1 month before
the game is released, on a platform that has a history of bad ports and
it's the sequel of a game that had bad performance and inferior
graphics on the console despite bioware saying it was the definitive
versión in every aspect running and the improoved version of the engine.

Because you don't know the circumstances of the situation, none of us do. You can point to past instances as much as you want, that doesn't mean that history is going to repeat itself, nor does it mean that it will turn out differently. There could be a dozen different reasons for the PS3 demo not being as well optimized as the 360, I can't elaborate on them because I'm not a game developer, or more specifically I'm not a Bioware game developer working on the PS3 version of ME3, neither are you. I'm simply saying that trying to form conclusions based off of unfinished work is never a good idea.

Fbh wrote...
And
I don't know of that cycle you mention. 90% of the demos I've played
represent the quality of the final product. People complain because
developers tend to just focus on the 360 and give us Ps3 player a bad
port with inferior performance and/or graphics. I think it's great for
people to notice this and complain. If we would all be like you we would
just keep getting bad ports over and over again.

I can't argue with your anecdotal evidence there bud, nor should I have too. I've seen definate performance improvments in quite a few games from demo to final code. You haven't apparently, so that's your experience. Without knowing what demos you've played or how many I can't really comment any further.

Don't assume that I'm some developer apoligist. I've turned my nose up at many a bad port in the past and supported well executed ones. My posts in this topic are not about defending Bioware, developers in general, or the PS3. I simply noticed that a lot of you were jumping to conclusions based off of past experiences, bad information, unrelated incidents, and blind fear and wanted to inject a different way of looking at the situation into the discussion.

Modifié par Loki_344, 16 février 2012 - 06:57 .

[Loki_344]

Dwarrior74 wrote...

So, it's cool. You came off as abrasive, I overreacted, and I m done with it. Take care.

Okay maybe I came on a bit strong. I've been lurking around these boards for the past month or so and have already run into so many internet "tough guys" that I must have subconciously assumed that this type of personality was the rule and not the exception around here, so I guess I put up my own overtly agressive persona prematurely and needlessly.

So no hard feeling and all that.

[InfoGuy101]

After playing the SP demo 3 times (which was really fun  can't wait for the game next month), I have to say the frame rate drop is noticeable at times as well as the sometimes out of sync lip sync (which was a problem in ME2 and still is to a extent) but it is a demo so hopefully there won't be that much of a issue in the final release of the game.

Only notice texture pop in, in one scene near the end of the SP demo when the alliance kodiak lands to drop off Wrex and a gun dissappearing in one scene talking to Mordin other than that the demo was fairly solid.

[JEC94]

I won't cancel my pre-order because I enjoyed the demo.Plus is just the demo not the final product I just hope that the game wont have the corruption save file game breaking bug that dragon age 2 have .

[Valkyre4]

I dont expect an average of 20 fps to become 30 fps with a 1 month old build. ME2 demo had nothing of this magnitude... Bioware just screwed with ME2 demo because there was no fps cap and hence the erratic gameplay that reached 60 frames one moment and then 25 in the other. But this is not the case here. There is a fps cap but the game cannot even come close to it!! At least at the earth part.

And seriously, how come the 360 demo is just fine? Wouldnt the same logic -it is just a demo- be applied to 360 as well? So if 360 runs at a perfect 30 frames at themoment, what, should the 360 final version go 60 frames?

Dont hope that things are going to look/play better.Only a day one patch can fix that now. I really hope because at this state I am not going to buy this game.I will not be treated as second rate customer receiving a rushed port job once again.

[SaY4cT]

Dr. Pepper, anyone?

[Remij]

You know...for all the "it's just a demo, it's not the finished product" talk from the people who are calling us 'whiners', you DO realize that the point of demo's is to sell people on your product, right? Usually when a demo is released this close to the games release, it's indicative of the product we will be playing.

[Valkyre4]

Remij wrote...

You know...for all the "it's just a demo, it's not the finished product" talk from the people who are calling us 'whiners', you DO realize that the point of demo's is to sell people on your product, right? Usually when a demo is released this close to the games release, it's indicative of the product we will be playing.

not only that my friend but just like I said before, by that logic, 360's final version of the game must be running at 60 frames per second since their demo runs at 30 frames with no hiccups.

Hey, if it is only a demo for ps3 owners so it is for 360 ones. We got the short end of the stick. At least ME2 had a framerate close to the one 360 had. This one is simply very very bad.

[psychobudgie]

I cancelled my pre-order. I'm going to wait until a few weeks after release before buying. After the DA2 debacle and farce that was the ME2 amazing disappearing save, I'm not holding out any hope that any issues mentioned will be fixed in time for release.

[JacD321]

i don't think its too bad actually, the first level is a bit jumpy but other than that its not too bad

[psychobudgie]

JacD321 wrote...

i don't think its too bad actually, the first level is a bit jumpy but other than that its not too bad

It shouldn't be 'not too bad'. It should be identical to the 360 version. PS3 owners pay the same last I checked and unless they are planning on selling the PS3 version for £10 less it is unacceptable.

Saying that, if they don't fix the problems then it will probably be knocked down to £20 within a couple of weeks just like DA2 was.

[Valkyre4]

JacD321 wrote...

i don't think its too bad actually, the first level is a bit jumpy but other than that its not too bad

It is tolerance like this that leads to PS3 always getting shafted... I mean seriously why are you guys doing this? You like being left out? You know you are going to pay the same amount of money for a product that is not as good as the one fellow 360 gamers are getting right?

And you are fine with that?

[JacD321]

i've played both demos on ps3 and my brothers xbox and i honestly don't see much difference at all.

[Valkyre4]

well I guess you cant see more than 20 frames per second then if you cant see any difference. There are video comparisons out there proving that the ps3 version averages 20 frames in the earth part, when the 360 averages 30.

It doesnt bother you, but it sure does bother a lot of other people including some posting here. And it should be fixed.

[MadMax1891]

Loki_344 wrote...

Dwarrior74 wrote...

So, it's cool. You came off as abrasive, I overreacted, and I m done with it. Take care.

Okay maybe I came on a bit strong. I've been lurking around these boards for the past month or so and have already run into so many internet "tough guys" that I must have subconciously assumed that this type of personality was the rule and not the exception around here, so I guess I put up my own overtly agressive persona prematurely and needlessly.

So no hard feeling and all that.

If only there were more like you two, internet would be a better place