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[Seboist]

Because they're not top fanwank material like Garrus and Tali.

[graciegrace]

Because the ME2 crew was comprised of stereotypes and cliches with missed potential that it's too late to explore.

Modifié par graciegrace, 15 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[gearseffect]

Simple Tali and the cult of Tali-Mancers! Nuff Said!

[schemata]

well the same formula kind of applies. In me2 you were gathering allies for an impossible mission. In me3 youll be gathering allies for an impossible battle, except the scales are different. So it won't be so much about the individuals, but entire races and worlds. But I do agree with the OP, and feel his main point is why so little Miranda? And I agree, the hell bioware really. Why so little Miranda? Cheat bait and to color cerberus grey and now brushed aside? She deserved better. Pretty sure shes not just a tool to used by her father, by cerebrus and by bioware. yeah.

Modifié par schemata, 15 février 2012 - 06:56 .

[gearseffect]

schemata wrote...

well the same formula kind of applies. In me2 you were gathering allies for an impossible mission. In me3 youll be gathering allies for an impossible battle, except the scales are different. So it won't be so much about the individuals, but entire races and worlds. But I do agree with the OP, and feel his main point is why so little Miranda? And I agree, the hell bioware really. Why so little Miranda? Cheat bait and to color cerberus grey and now brushed aside? She deserved better. Pretty sure shes not just a tool to used by her father, by cerebrus and by bioware. yeah.

To Hell with the Cerberus Cheerleader! What about The Justicar Samara? The Bad@ss Assassin Thane? The all Powerful Boitic Jack? The redheaded babe Kelly Chambers? And then the Ceberus Cheerleader Tool Miranda.

They get the short end of it for the sake of Tali-Mancers Tali, Roid Rage Vega, The closet man Kaidan or The butchered Ashley, The never gonna be near as cool as Samara Asari Liara. The Fembot AI.
I personally blame it mostly on Tali for these crimes she must die.

[Tom Lehrer]

Blame it all on the Qurian. I bet she stole your credit chit too.

[GuardianAngel470]

Wow. Not a single person answered him seriously.

The ME2 squad likely got the shaft for multiple reasons. There were too many of them to begin with so Bioware would never bring back all of them and, depending on player actions in ME2, all of them could die.

So Bioware can't bring all of them back as full time squadies because they barely managed to make 10 characters work in ME2 (and I say barely loosely). If they can't bring all of them back they needed to choose which ones to bring back. Logically, from a fan pleasing perspective, the only ones worth going through that much extra effort (effort that in many cases is wasted since these characters are dead in some people's games) are Tali and Garrus. The two largest fanbases must be appeased in this instance because, as you so willingly demostrated, Bioware is going to ****** people off no matter what they do.

Because Bioware, wisely or not, made ME2 about a suicide mission they set themselves up for an entire game where about a dozen characters might or might not be alive. This means that, if they intend to do anything meaningful with these characters, they need to account for the possibility that they aren't actually alive. That's a lot of work.

Because of this work, they needed to minimize what they were attempting. Bringing back only two of ten squaddies probably seemed to them a good compromise. I've already explained why it had to be Garrus and Tali.

[CptData]

xnoxiousx wrote...

None of them are in me3 as full squad besides tali and garrus who were in mass effect 1. I spent all me2 building the ultimate squad only to never have them aginst the reapers due to some fake bs bioware will make up.

I at least hope everyone will come together for final battle from all the games even if there not in hole thing.

Simple. All characters (including Tali, Garrus and even Shepard) can die in ME2. Since an alive Shepard is needed for an import, we can ignore his/her death for now.

Also Team Dextro got a lot of support by the Developers, mostly to please fans. Therefore, out of the entire ME2 team, they're the only ones with BIG roles. Just keep in mind you could ignore Garrus in ME1, making Tali the only character of the old ME1 squad that makes it through three full games if not killed off in ME2.

Out of the ME2 team, only few characters are "critical". As far as we know, only Mordin and Legion play a bigger role that can change the entire game. Mordin, obviously, is connected to the Krogan's cure. Legion is needed for the Quarian-Geth-war.
And the rest? From what I saw so far - yes, I read the leaked stuff - they all get a more or less important cameo + mission. All of them add something to the war assets for Shepard, if you do their missions. Besides that, they're reduced to smaller roles, mostly 'cause they can die in ME2 and that means BW can save a lot of resources and money if not making the entire ME2 crew permanent.

[Aurora313]

'Cause my Renagade Shepard never really like them to begin with? They were just assets to complete a mission.

My Paragon Shepard? He was just happy to have non-cerberus on his ship.

[gangly369]

Basically agree with what CptData and GuardianAngel470 said. If I could have anything though, I would make it so that all characters, from ME1 and ME2, would be available for use for that 'final battle'. Whether thats in it or not, I dont know (probably not but I haven't read the spoilers so who knows). Only reason I want this though is because I want Wrex/Garrus or Thane/Garrus by my side when I'm ripping up that final boss.

Modifié par gangly369, 15 février 2012 - 08:33 .

[dielveio]

DEMO.

[ObserverStatus]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Variables.

^^^

[wright1978]

If your name's not tali or garrus Bioware doesn't give a rat's ass.

[Drone223]

CptData wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

None of them are in me3 as full squad besides tali and garrus who were in mass effect 1. I spent all me2 building the ultimate squad only to never have them aginst the reapers due to some fake bs bioware will make up.

I at least hope everyone will come together for final battle from all the games even if there not in hole thing.

Simple. All characters (including Tali, Garrus and even Shepard) can die in ME2. Since an alive Shepard is needed for an import, we can ignore his/her death for now.

Also Team Dextro got a lot of support by the Developers, mostly to please fans. Therefore, out of the entire ME2 team, they're the only ones with BIG roles. Just keep in mind you could ignore Garrus in ME1, making Tali the only character of the old ME1 squad that makes it through three full games if not killed off in ME2.

Out of the ME2 team, only few characters are "critical". As far as we know, only Mordin and Legion play a bigger role that can change the entire game. Mordin, obviously, is connected to the Krogan's cure. Legion is needed for the Quarian-Geth-war.
And the rest? From what I saw so far - yes, I read the leaked stuff - they all get a more or less important cameo + mission. All of them add something to the war assets for Shepard, if you do their missions. Besides that, they're reduced to smaller roles, mostly 'cause they can die in ME2 and that means BW can save a lot of resources and money if not making the entire ME2 crew permanent.

One problem with team dextro (even though I like them) they can die in the SM like the rest of the squad

[Knightly_BW]

What's seems odd to me is Tali vs Miranda situation of ME2.

Tali's loyality easily screwed and most possible members to die during SM. Same applies to Jack to an extend.

However Miranda is hardest to kill on SM and top of that Loyality Mission is always ends up with Loyality. Even if you side with Jack on confrontation, from what I've heard you can make her loyal again. I guess also she is the only one who is plot proof on loyality check during one phase of SM. And lastly Miranda side with Shepard in the end.

Anyway at least it is too easy to get rid off annoying Kettlehead or Bird-boy. I don't have them on my most ME 2 imports.

[wright1978]

Asperius wrote...

Anyway at least it is too easy to get rid off annoying Kettlehead or Bird-boy. I don't have them on my most ME 2 imports.

All that does is reduce the the already tiny limited squad by two though.

[Knightly_BW]

wright1978 wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Anyway at least it is too easy to get rid off annoying Kettlehead or Bird-boy. I don't have them on my most ME 2 imports.

All that does is reduce the the already tiny limited squad by two though.

Believe me I am seriously thinking who will be in my squad on ME 3.

Other than forced loyality missions I never used Tali or Garrus. They are worst squadies with Jacob for me.

My every Shep didn't leave Normandy without Miranda. Grunt/Zaeed/Thane/Legion took turns to accompany her.

I guess if the spoilers are true my Sheps will travel with Vega and "female" spoiler squadmate/Kaidan if he is available.

[CptData]

Drone223 wrote...

One problem with team dextro (even though I like them) they can die in the SM like the rest of the squad

Isn't it what I said? Out of the ME2 squad, only Tali & Garrus get larger roles in ME3 since they were with you since ME1. BW was sure both see ME3 more likely than the rest of ME2!squad, especially in case of ME1 fans.

With exception of Mordin and Legion the rest of the ME2 squad won't play bigger roles in ME3. They'll be there and contribute at least one mission + war assets, but that's it. Still far more than VS-fans got in ME2.