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[BomimoDK]

has it occoured to the "just don't buy it" biggots that we just want it at a fair price? steam/valve does sthis **** too and it's as low as it gets.

to illustrate it's like selling to loafs of bread at the market at the same time, one buyer gets it for 5$ the other gets it for 7.5$. how is that fair? and please don't go "then don't buy it" cuz we still want it, but fair prices would be a pluz.



as for DLC... treat it as mini expansions and price it as such. 5$ a dungeon seems fair, if it's at a fair length.



stop fanboying, fanboying fraud is not awesome. YES I DO fanboy this game and Baldur's Gate. but i don't fanboy pricefraud and halftrue advertising.

on another note, Stone Prisoner really delivered.

[Came99]

DJoker35 wrote...

This makes me think the issue is a tad more than just the cost in Europe. I wonder if the OP would be a fan of DLC if it was the same price as in the States, or if these 2 paragraphs would still apply...

7 quid would have been 35 kroner. It is definately getting warmer, but in my opinion 1 hour of gameplay is not worth more than 20 danish kroner which equals 4 bucks. That would be the limit where I may or may not buy it, but most importantly: I would NOT think that Bioware/EA or whoever was ripping me off if I chose to buy it.

So to answer your question: Yes, I would still feel a little ripped of. Now Im feeling ripped off due to my origin on a a deal that is already to pricey.

Modifié par Came99, 24 novembre 2009 - 10:52 .

[Came99]

DJoker35 wrote...

Came99 wrote...


Can we get back to a mature discussion now?

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that "mature discussion" meant agreeing with your dislike of DLC. I'll try harder to be more agreeable. I guess it was the comments about fanbois and IQ levels that threw me for a loop on the "mature" part.

Ohh? And my ramble came BEFORE the immature fanboi-crap? The thread-structure tells me otherwise.

[xcorps]

Bomimo,



Just because you think something is overpriced doesn't mean that that the companies offering the product are dishonest.



If I'm offering to sell a loaf of bread for 7.5 and the guy next door is offering it for 3.5, it doesn't mean that I'm a fraud or cheat. It doesn't mean that MY bread isn't worth 7.5 (to me). It just means that my bread is more expensive than his bread.



Get over yourself. Your world image of what's fair and right and honest is flawed, and your rage is misplaced.

[Diva]

Some peolpe are completely missing the point here. It's not that DLC cost money, it's that we Europeans have to pay more than others. For a plain english version. That sucks.

I don't mind paying for DLC at all, and I can just don't buy it - but when I buy it (and I have bought Wardens Keep) I don't want to pay more than others for the exact same version.

[Inarai]

Just to clarify a few points...

You might make a massive profit on this in the short run, but I am absolutely sure that on the long run you will lose. You will lose a lot of goodwill and end up with a damaging reputation as a company who milks their players.



NOONE would have minded one or two bigger expansions during the lifespan of this game, but milking people here and there with 1 hour of gameplay for outrageous prices, advertising the DLC from ingame, not including storage chest in original game and other shenenigans will just make you a bit more unpopular for every time you pull such a stunt (as it shows clearly on the forums).

I'm not going to elaborate again* on why that whole position is false(short version: your assumptions don't work, which invalidates your conclusions). Nor am I going into detail AGAIN on the various benefits to the developer and community. I'm not going to once again mention the posts by BioWare directly soliciting feedback on length, and why we should expect that it shouldn't be that long before we might see longer content.



Why? Because this thread's been done too many bleeding times, that's why - and so far, you've offered nothing new on that subject. I will, however, mention that it seems a significant portion of players understand it.



As for the cost difference, I don't know - my first thought is that there's some sort of cost difference in getting access to that market.





*: For now, at least.

[FRZN]

um, uh, overseas shipping costs!
...
yeah, that's why.
<_<

anyway, I belive the price difference comes from VAT and the like.

Modifié par FRZN, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:03 .

[DJoker35]

Diva wrote...

Some peolpe are completely missing the point here. It's not that DLC cost money, it's that we Europeans have to pay more than others. For a plain english version. That sucks.

I don't mind paying for DLC at all, and I can just don't buy it - but when I buy it (and I have bought Wardens Keep) I don't want to pay more than others for the exact same version.

I absolutely agree with you on this. It isn't fair, and it really doesn't make much sense.

[Raint]

everything has a price

[Rheannan]

xcorps wrote...

If I'm offering to sell a loaf of bread for 7.5 and the guy next door is offering it for 3.5, it doesn't mean that I'm a fraud or cheat. It doesn't mean that MY bread isn't worth 7.5 (to me). It just means that my bread is more expensive than his bread.

That is a flawed argument because the loaves of bread would be from two different people. The DLC is the same version and from the same company.

Having said that, I'm not sure as to why there may be pricing differences, however I don't think tax has been mentioned in this thread yet as a possible cause.

[Lughsan35]

My translation:



Dear Bioware,

I'm pissed that I don't understand the nature of my countries ABHORENT taxation policies and though reasonably priced by you, your product, by the time it reaches me, is much more expensive because of the greedy bastards in power in my country.



Incidentally I should have emigrated to America or Australia a long time ago..for less taxation without representation...



TLDR version.



It isn't Bioware's fault your county's tax policies SUCK.

[xcorps]

Rheannan wrote...

xcorps wrote...

If I'm offering to sell a loaf of bread for 7.5 and the guy next door is offering it for 3.5, it doesn't mean that I'm a fraud or cheat. It doesn't mean that MY bread isn't worth 7.5 (to me). It just means that my bread is more expensive than his bread.

That is a flawed argument because the loaves of bread would be from two different people. The DLC is the same version and from the same company.

Having said that, I'm not sure as to why there may be pricing differences, however I don't think tax has been mentioned in this thread yet as a possible cause.

My response was limited to the post to which I replied. Concerning the general topic, if the monetary conversion is creating a situation where the points required to purchase DLC are more expensive relatively to customers paying with Euros and only because they are paying with Euros, then I would agree that it is in fact unfair and needs to be addressed.

[Mordaedil]

Rheannan wrote...

xcorps wrote...

If I'm offering to sell a loaf of bread for 7.5 and the guy next door is offering it for 3.5, it doesn't mean that I'm a fraud or cheat. It doesn't mean that MY bread isn't worth 7.5 (to me). It just means that my bread is more expensive than his bread.

That is a flawed argument because the loaves of bread would be from two different people. The DLC is the same version and from the same company.

Having said that, I'm not sure as to why there may be pricing differences, however I don't think tax has been mentioned in this thread yet as a possible cause.

The problem is that the currency values are not taken into consideration is the problem. Steam converts dollars to euros on a 1 = 1 value, which means that the higher value currency get ripped off. One euro is worth one and a half dollar, so the loss is quite considerable when it's just converted 1:1.

[Veracruz]

Came99 wrote...

In Europe
 

Regional pricing ftw, huh? I don't think that Bioware is responsible of such thing.

The game is good by itself, no DLC is really needed. DLC is optional (the stash? I used it once..) and no one forces you to buy it.. At this point, The Stone Prisoner is awesome, Soldier's Peak is not bad but simply too short and the future Return to Ostagar seems that will be like the Warden's...

I also "vote with my wallet" and bouth a second PC copy of the game. And will support the DLC. At least for now. If they finally don't find a nice balance of price/content (I know those things require time and effort but...), then I'd change my mind about it and just wait for expansion packs.

[Came99]

Even with the highest taxes in the world, I still dont see how the prices could get 1/3 as expensive? I do belive that the ones paying 7 quid also have a share of that going to taxes (albeit not that much as us). Does still not compute.

[Came99]

Mordaedil wrote...

The problem is that the currency values are not taken into consideration is the problem. Steam converts dollars to euros on a 1 = 1 value, which means that the higher value currency get ripped off. One euro is worth one and a half dollar, so the loss is quite considerable when it's just converted 1:1.

I just tried to convert 7 euros to danish kroner and ended up EXACTLY on the price of Wardens keep!!?!

Hey... I wanna pay in Pesos please! Seven pesos!!

[xcorps]

Actually, with the tax rates in European countries (as much as 50% of income) and additional supply side taxes on manufactured goods, the cost of a good/service produced in the US is more expensive to a resident of one of those countries even if they are identically priced when you compare them in a relative manner. Less net income combined with increased costs on cost of living create a lower availability of discretionary spending allowances, thus making the relative cost an entertainment product higher than people who have more discretionary spending available.

[aries1001]

Steam in Europe does add value tax and sales tax to the US 7 Dollar price; Denmark has a 25% sales tax, value tax will be added on top of that. Also, the cost of the operating of Steam may be higher in Europe than in the US because we in Europe have higher wages. (jthis just as information). On topic, the DLC for Warden's Keep is 6.51€ (Euros) which in Danish is about 50-52 DKK (Danish Crowns) And to continue the humorously comparisions, 50 Kroner (DKK) is what am paying for a coffee and a roll/bun with cheese at my local café/coffee restaurant.

As for the Bioware devs. seeing any of the 1 million for the DLC, I don't think they'll see much of it. Most of it goes into EA's bank-account, Bioware's bank-account. Maybe they'll get a bonus for meeting their sales mark or a bigger one for exceeding the expected sales of the DLC or the game. The point about the devs. having to be paid still stands as well as the point about Bioware still having to pay rent, and other prodcuction costs as well. Please don't make the mistake of taken what we say here on the forums as the opinion of all the gamers out there. It is not. About half the forumites have said that they will buy the DLC, the other half won't. As it stands right now, I won't be buying any DLCs (and not just because I can't afford it right now). I'd much rather wait untill the DLC is bundled together or offered as a deal or something like that.

I would like to see the DLC being offered throhg Steam, Gamers Gate etc. though.

Modifié par aries1001, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:27 .

[Soeverein]

I would love to see the DLC being offered through Impulse since they do pretty much correct US$ < € conversion.



Like, the regular version of DAO only costs 35 € on Impulse and the Digital Deluxe version only 45 €. While they cost 55 and 65 € on EA Store.



Plus, when EA Store sees my IP, it automatically turns into the French version even though I'm a native Dutch speaker (is it so hard to add a cookie to remember my language choice, dammit)

[Killian Kalthorne]

Came99 wrote...

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

To pay for the translation.

What translation?

To translate the game from US standard power outlet to the funky Euro power outlet. 

[wkstrm]

wanderon wrote...

Actually you don't have to pay for it at all - it's optional content you can choose to pay for or choose not to -

why is that so hard for people to understand?

When you buy a car do you expect to go back and get a fancy moon roof installed for free?

When you buy a set of dishes fo you expect to return to the store later for a free gravy boat?

DLC allows the devs to be paid to continue to provide additional content - buy it if you like or don't but for gods sake quit acting like someone is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it.

I don't think people mind paying for the DLC, I sure don't  mind at all.
But I don't want to pay like 10 bucks when others pay 7 for example.

[Veracruz]

Wasn't DA:O in Impulse only for North America? (yes, I know you can fake the IP and/or get someone from there to gift it to you) Because unless you cheat (like previously mentioned), the price in € of that game in Impulse doesn't really matter for europeans.

[Shinji Ex]

Yea it's in bad tast it's to soon for DLC the game has not been out for more then a month. DLC should only be released in 3 month intervals.

[Rhys Cordelle]

It's not as if the original game feels incomplete. Can anyone justly claim that DA:O is a rip off? I doubt it.

[Came99]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

It's not as if the original game feels incomplete. Can anyone justly claim that DA:O is a rip off? I doubt it.

Putting the storage container in a DLC is close to being what I define as "alternative strategy" / scam.
Apart from that: No. The game is value for money. The DLC on the other hand is NOT.