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[Jassper]

GreenSoda wrote...

Jassper wrote...

It is called "Rate of Exchange". you should have learned about it in school.

They aren't "charging you more" because you live in a different country. The price is set by the country that the company is based in, not sure if EA is a Canadian or USA based company.

For example, if a company in the states wants $10.00 for a product then the amount is adjusted based on YOUR countries exchange rate. So if your dollar is only worth 0.50 in the US, you will have to pay $20.00 of your dollars to equal $10.00 US dollars.

...which is exactly *not* what BW is doing. Nobody in this thread would complain if that were so.

They *are* charging more. (A lot more if you live in Australia)

Current exchange rate € in $ = 1.50...so WK should be 7$ = 4.7 €...however it is: 6.7€ which is 10$.

It's not a whole lot of money but...

a) it adds up
 DLC is overpriced already at a 7$ pricetag (imo of course).

Don't forget to add in Import/Export fees. I highly doubt the additional charges are coming from Bioware. Most likely your local government wants a piece.

When I ship product to Canadian customers I ship them as "SAMPLES" so they don't get stung by these additional charges. And laws don't allow them to "get around it" by useing DLC. Check your countries laws and regulations for selling product over seas. There are additional fees on top of the current exchange. Also, banks are now charging for doing the exchange.

Modifié par Jassper, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:41 .

[Mordaedil]

Import/Export fees do not apply to digital media however.

[Jassper]

Mordaedil wrote...

Import/Export fees do not apply to digital media however.

I'm sure the have something for it, may not be called import/export, but they gov will want a cut regardless.

[Diva]

Jassper wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

Import/Export fees do not apply to digital media however.

I'm sure the have something for it, may not be called import/export, but they gov will want a cut regardless.

Well they can't ****g have it! I pay almost 50 percent in taxes as it is.

Modifié par Diva, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:18 .

[Wild Maiden]

Diva wrote...
Well they can't ****g have it! I pay almost 50 percent in taxes as it is.

That's what you get for living in Denmark.  You pay the highest income tax in the world.  Enjoying the Socialism?

Modifié par Wild Maiden, 25 novembre 2009 - 08:46 .

[Kaosgirl]

wanderon wrote...

Actually you don't have to pay for it at all - it's optional content you can choose to pay for or choose not to -

why is that so hard for people to understand?

When you buy a car do you expect to go back and get a fancy moon roof installed for free?

There are people who feel that 'fancy moon roof' should have come standard with the vehicle, and will **** about having to pay extra for it.  Maybe because some other company did offer it as standard (and nevermind that they're charging extra for AC or power windows instead...)

[Foxd1e]

eisberg77 wrote...

Do you know anything about game development?  Cause I would like you to find a develope that can get 100% of what they wanted in the game working.  Cause you won't find one.  During development things get cut because of various reasons, and time contraints are a huge issue.

Also, it is a storage chest in one area, not in the camps like they wanted, the bug they didn't have time to work out is still there.

Hey ur pc looks like the improved Morrigan I dled from the Projects section. Thumbs up!

[DJoker35]

Velez89 wrote...

DJoker35 wrote...

Ancastna wrote...

DJoker35 wrote...

Good
lord. Yet another "Give me your work for free" thread. If you don't
want to buy it, then don't. There are plenty who love the game and
enjoy even an extra hour of content, and have no problem paying for the
work that is put in to create it, that will.The end.

That's fair enough for you to say, Joker, but you don't have to pay extra for what seems like nothing but your place of origin.

Which
may have been a valid point, if the OP had left it at that (higher
price in Europe).

But he didn't. He went into the same, tired, "DLC
sucks why do I have to pay for extra content" entitlement, give me your work for free, baloney that flies around these forums on a daily basis.

Yeah, no. He didn't. You and your little crusade of BioWare fanboys need to start reading posts before going off on somone.

Perhaps you should read thru the 3-6th paragraphs again. In fact, pretty much everything but the first one. Then read the other posts throughout the thread. And then, perhaps, take your insults and find a good place to put them.

Modifié par DJoker35, 26 novembre 2009 - 06:10 .

[Mordaedil]

Jassper wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

Import/Export fees do not apply to digital media however.

I'm sure the have something for it, may not be called import/export, but they gov will want a cut regardless.

50% of everything extra from what it was in the US states and alternating by pure laziness? I'm sorry, but even when the $ and the € were 1.02 ~ 1.00 of eachother, they still converted it 1 = 1 on Steam. It's not taxes, it's just not being CONVERTED.

[LovelyMover]

This is a little pointless isn't it? If the amounts being discussed were higher I may understand, but its a few dollars. Really wtf can you buy for $10? Not a lot. Yes it sucks that they're charging the EU more but the US market is probably larger, so less is more...Regardless, purchases should be made based on whether you can personally afford it or not.



I want 3D glasses & a 500€ monitor but with xmas coming can't justify spending that on myself.

[JackDresden]

Came99 wrote...

In Europe Wardens keep didnt cost 7 bucks. It costed 10. To be precise: 52 danish kroner which with the current rate equals 10.44 US dollars. I am very puzzled why the Europeans have to pay 30-40 % extra for their content? You just think that you can squeeze that extra dough from us, so why not, ehh?

Generally I would like to say the following to Bioware:

In my opinion Wardens Keep wasnt worth neither 7 or 10 bucks content wise, but I bought it anyway to have the storage (which in my humble opinion should have been included with the game). If it wasnt because of the fact that I got the game in a very profitable preorder deal (traded in 2 cheap bought pre-played games and got DA:O for 1 danish krone (20 cent)) I would never have bought Wardens Keep. But since I got the game very cheap I felt I could spare the 10 dollars. There is not a chance I will buy anymore though, because the price is simply to steep. You cant compare DLC to food and coffee, but to other games only, and DLC simply is to expensive compared to gametime, and compared to saving the money and buy a whole new game.

You might make a massive profit on this in the short run, but I am absolutely sure that on the long run you will lose. You will lose a lot of goodwill and end up with a damaging reputation as a company who milks their players.
 
NOONE would have minded one or two bigger expansions during the lifespan of this game, but milking people here and there with 1 hour of gameplay for outrageous prices, advertising the DLC from ingame, not including storage chest in original game and other shenenigans  will just make you a bit more unpopular for every time you pull such a stunt (as it shows clearly on the forums).

Before this game you were the RPG-company who couldnt fail. You had a very large and devoted fanbase who trusted in you. You were for RPGs what Rockstar is for sandbox-games: THE ONES WHO NEVER DISSAPOINTS. That reputation is worth a LOT of coffee and buritos. Now you are EXTREMELY quickly throwing all that overboard and getting a reputation of a company who is only after milking your customers as much as possible.

Was it worth it? Right now your saving account probably say yes, but I sincerely doubt it.
 
Have it your way´, Bioware. 

I, for instance, is one you are losing. Dragons Age is a great game, and I have been enjoying it very much. But it isnt so great that I cant leave your next one on the shelves if I dont like your company politics. I am voting with my wallet, and I bet I wont be the only one.
 

If you thought Wardens keep wasn't worth it you really shouldn't have bought it. Though I do deplore Biowares new in game NPC DLC sales pitches there is no reason Bioware shouldn't make and offer  DLC and if they do it's up to them to price there products and up to us to buy them if we think they are worth it.

Of course Bioware is a company who are trying to make money this is hardly a shock, and so long as they have great products like Dragon Age itself people will buy them and they will make money. I'm not sure games companies really need loyal fans as you put it.

For me Bioware delivered a great game that is great value for money and I'm pleased I bought it, no I don't like the way they are trying to sell DLC in character & in game which is why I didn't buy wardens keep, but at the end of the day I don't object to them producing DLC and pricing it as they like, if they price it to high it won't sell and they will have to look at reducing it that's all.

[Flash Aron]

... I also hated that 1US=1EUR ...



Steam are A s s h .... and many other Online shops also ... SPECIAL EA Shop, they are really &%$%§$%&/ ... last year I was able (IP Hiding) to buy Football Manager in the Spain shop for 17.50 EUR , it would have cost 59.- EUR in the German EA Shop ...



same with Dragon Age ... but was lucky that



DIRECT 2 DRIVE UK



OFFERS NOW MOST OF THE TIME the correct exchange rates. It was the case with Dragon Age Deluxe Edition UK (I paid the correct price, as the US got it)



The Problem will now the standalone DLC as you have to buy it from BIOWARE SHOP and I think this is driven from that EA As.h...s ... if they try to cheat us Europeans with exchange rate, they could put it in ... (hope D2D UK will offer it)



And I am willing to pay for DLC but not when I am cheated ... as we also could cheat them, if they really want !

[Mordaedil]

LovelyMover wrote...

This is a little pointless isn't it? If the amounts being discussed were higher I may understand, but its a few dollars. Really wtf can you buy for $10? Not a lot. Yes it sucks that they're charging the EU more but the US market is probably larger, so less is more...Regardless, purchases should be made based on whether you can personally afford it or not.

I want 3D glasses & a 500€ monitor but with xmas coming can't justify spending that on myself.

Except that I bought the entire game and that means I bought it for $84 instead of the $56 you paid for it.

Tell me that is fair. FYI, I've been doing this for a long time on Steam too, which has cost me quite a bit. The only upside is that even Euro's prices are cheaper than most store-bought games here anyway.

[jsog]

I do not know much about this stuff, but is it possible it is accounting for other taxes or fees specifically related to your country?

[KalosCast]

A lot of the European mark-up has to do with taxes and other Government/EU regulations.

But that's okay, Bioware's the easy target.

[Anarchosyn]

Came99 wrote...

In Europe Wardens keep didnt cost 7 bucks. It costed 10. To be precise: 52 danish kroner which with the current rate equals 10.44 US dollars. I am very puzzled why the Europeans have to pay 30-40 % extra for their content? You just think that you can squeeze that extra dough from us, so why not, ehh?


 

I'm an economist.

With that said, we shouldn't be comparing the nominal exchange rates between the Kroner and the Dollar - we should be comparing the purchasing power parity values. This is the real delineation of comparative value between countries (and, again, not equal to the nominal value you typically see).

I'll be the first to admit I know little about international finance (not my aspect of the field). However, my intuition tells me this is the first step in figuring this out.

For example, a Big Mac in the USA costs $3.57 USD (July 2008) whereas it costs $5.07 USD in Denmark. I'm conflating the Big Mac Index with the PPP, but the idea is the same - you can't go by nominal exchange rates alone.

Modifié par Anarchosyn, 26 novembre 2009 - 08:55 .

[Fjas9ssen]

Wild Maiden wrote...

Diva wrote...
Well they can't ****g have it! I pay almost 50 percent in taxes as it is.

That's what you get for living in Denmark.  You pay the highest income tax in the world.  Enjoying the Socialism?

I live in Norway (which is even more expensive than Denmark), and yes, I enjoy the socialism. I enjoy my free health care and the fact that if economic disaster makes my company fall apart and leaves me out of a job, I'll be taken care of until I can get another.

I can't get my head around the fact that people still thing socialism is a scary thing. I don't know if you noticed, but the cold war ended some 20 years ago

But please, enjoy your expensive medical insurance (if you're not one of the millions who can't afford it, and are screwed if they should actually become seriously ill). But I doubt you are one of those unfortunate ones who are out of a job and can't pay for insurance because greedy fat-heads in corporate America managed to screw the country over

[Armalas85]

Fjas9ssen wrote...

Wild Maiden wrote...

Diva wrote...
Well they can't ****g have it! I pay almost 50 percent in taxes as it is.

That's what you get for living in Denmark.  You pay the highest income tax in the world.  Enjoying the Socialism?

I live in Norway (which is even more expensive than Denmark), and yes, I enjoy the socialism. I enjoy my free health care and the fact that if economic disaster makes my company fall apart and leaves me out of a job, I'll be taken care of until I can get another.

I can't get my head around the fact that people still thing socialism is a scary thing. I don't know if you noticed, but the cold war ended some 20 years ago

But please, enjoy your expensive medical insurance (if you're not one of the millions who can't afford it, and are screwed if they should actually become seriously ill). But I doubt you are one of those unfortunate ones who are out of a job and can't pay for insurance because greedy fat-heads in corporate America managed to screw the country over

Completely off-topic, but this is class, well done my Scandinavian brother
... I really should move back to DK, England is becoming little America in that respect.

[arpegino]

Modifié par arpegino, 27 novembre 2009 - 08:39 .

[Chragen]

DJoker35 wrote...

Good lord. Yet another "Give me your work for free" thread. If you don't want to buy it, then don't. There are plenty who love the game and enjoy even an extra hour of content, and have no problem paying for the work that is put in to create it, that will.The end.

It has nothing to do with getting the content for free. It is about why everyone who lives in Europe(Even when we don't even have the euro as a currency) have to pay 30-40% more than the UK or the states.

It gets kinda aggravating after a while when every online retailer e.i EA store with the DA:O DLC, or say Steam when they take 1 dollar and convert that to 1 euro.

It's cheap way to try and force more money out of their consumers. 

I mean what would you say if you had to start using euros when you bought any DLC/games online because it's the stronger currency?

[Came99]

I just wanna say that it is nice to be back on topic. Unfortunately the fanbois who failed to read and understand simple writing havent quite left the building yet. Seems like they insist to make an even bigger fools of themselves, but fortunately they seem to be outnumbered finally.

1) Yes. The post main topic is about the price-difference from US to Europe

2) Yes I also stated that I find the DLC to expensive as it is, and that I suspect Bioware for cheap schemes as for instance putting the chest in the DLC instead of patching it in for free. People are welcome to discuss this also, as long as you dont claim that this is the main point in my post.

So far the fanbois have failed to accept that this isnt a "Gief DLC for free" thread. They have totally failed to read and comprehend the arguments and can only survive in their little bubble if they can convince themselves that every critically post about DLC is about "getting it for free". That is so unbelivable fail, but hey.. Try to convince them about that

3) Yes.. I also love my socialist country.

DJoker. Dont you think that it is about time to pack your prejudice, trolling handbook and made up arguments and leave this thread?


ps) sorry for the spelling (english is not my primary language) and lack of the little thing (that I dont know the english word for) that should have been in words like dont, havent, etc. I am  writing on a imported philliphine notebook and it is a hazzle to find that little sucker

[DJoker35]

Came99, you just don't get it do you? When even the Mods are telling you that you're wrong and you're insulting, you think you'd catch the hint. But apparantly not. You've taken this much, much too personal. I'm sorry you can't afford the DLC you hate, and I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Perhaps you'd be a happier person if you simply set fire to your copy of the game and called it a day.



But, alas, I have my kids and grandchildren over for the holidays, and I have much better things to do than to for the next few days than to respond to any more of your more of your nonsensical insults, paranoid rantings, and ad hominem arguments.