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[EnigmaticSevens]

Vladix75 wrote...

Godeshus wrote...

Vladix I felt the same way. I myself am atheist, but I still feel that religion is important for people, and only ever push my thoughts on religious folks unless they try to do it to me.

The way I look at it, if believing in god will prevent you from going on a murderous rampage (as some believe only god can give morals), by all means, BELIEVE!!

People that believe in a god believe in a fairytale and you dont want them in charge

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People who give the divine no merit, and believe that the entirety of existance can be comprehended and explained by something as feeble and limited as the five pound gray lump between their ears believe in a fairytale, and are equally unfit to rule. The world's damned either way, just enjoy the pretty colors as it burns.

[Vormaerin]

Vladix75 wrote...


Knight templar and the pagans anyone?

Someday, people will stop talking about things of which they manifestly know nothing....

The Knights Templar at no point were involved in any pagan persecutions.     They did not even spend effort on proselytizing.   If you were talking about the  Teutonic Knights or the Brethren of the Sword, you might have a point.   But those fellows were constantly being berated by the Church for excessive zeal...

The Templars and the Hospitallers fought to defend pilgrims to the Holy Lands.    They fought the Moslems, of course.    That's not pagan persecution.  That's a struggle between rival religions, both of which were vehemently military.   You may have forgotten that the Moslems conquered Spain and invaded France early in the medieval era?    And they conquered the Balkans and laid seige to Vienna in the eras after the Crusades...

You might also consider that the Church was not involved in witchcraft crazes as an institution.   That was standard humans persecuting others all on their own.    The church did stop protesting against the witchcraft craze in the Post medieval era because a gullible Pope was convinced that there was a conspiracy to use demons to kill him....   Prior to the publication of Malleus Maleficarum (in the late 15th century), the Church steadfastly denied that witches could even exist much less needed to be persecuted.    That was all peasant superstition, didn't need any help from the faith.

There's all kinds of evil you can lay at the feet of Churchmen, same as every other kind of man.   You don't need to go around making up bs to add to it.

[EnigmaticSevens]

Actually, on a warrior playthrough, I really started to agree with the Chantry and its Templars, those mages were so damn annoying. Misdirection hex was so frustratingly overpowered, and Holy Smite made me smile.

[Derengard]

I only dislike the chantry for being a shallow imitation of christianity, but I don't bother to duplicate my dislikes because of that.

[Torias]

Religion bashing is not acceptable on these forums.



If it happens again in this thread, it will be locked.



We are here to discuss dragon age, not attack other people's world view.

[EnigmaticSevens]

Hmm... I doubt a forum post has ever made a person change his or her world view, although it is rather rude to bring so heavy a topic to good Chantry fun.



Not to mention one of the best lines in the game was," The Veal shall hold no mystery for her, for the Maker shall be her bacon and her shield...."



Gods above I loved that old lady, would've been a perfect companion character.

[F-C]

Vladix75 wrote...

Main reason is i am against any kind of religion

i pretty much stopped reading right there.

religion is a part of our society and always will be, being against it is just foolish really.

most religious people are not going to try and force their views on you or be against your personal beliefs, its your life and your choice, so why do you feel the need to be against other peoples choices, it has no effect on you, at all.

this type of attitude is just poor.


you live your life, ill live mine, the end.

Modifié par F-C, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:30 .

[arpegino]

In the world of Dragon Age, there are things like magic, spirits and curative ashes of prophets so being an atheist there is about the same as being religious in the real world - you're going against the evidence.

[Vladix75]

lol i meant teutonic yea not templar, really stupid of me



And to the above post

Then churches should not hang signs everywhere with there ideas and complain wien others do the same



But enough now and lets keep it about DAO like the mod asked

[aberdash]

F-C wrote...

Vladix75 wrote...

Main reason is i am against any kind of religion

i pretty much stopped reading right there.

religion is a part of our society and always will be, being against it is just foolish really.

most religious people are not going to try and force their views on you or be against your personal beliefs, its your life and your choice, so why do you feel the need to be against other peoples choices, it has no effect on you, at all.

this type of attitude is just poor.


you live your life, ill live mine, the end.

I'm sure he meant organized religion. Which does have an effect on you whether you believe in it or not.

[Rhys Cordelle]

I'm an atheist and I had the complete opposite reaction to the Chantry. I think they're awesome BECAUSE they feel really authentic, like a real religion.



With my first character I have yet to see the Chantry do anything I would consider corrupt, though I'm playing a character that's loyal to the church so I guess I've never pushed them to show what they're like in a conflict. My second character is an atheist and got a hard word from the priestess at Ostagar when I refused to be prayed for.



Personally I'm really disappointed that you can't be a part of the Chantry as your origin story. That would be awesome.

[F-C]

Vladix75 wrote...

lol i meant teutonic yea not templar, really stupid of me

And to the above post
Then churches should not hang signs everywhere with there ideas and complain wien others do the same

But enough now and lets keep it about DAO like the mod asked

i see, so having signs up for "Hot Nude Girls" or "Cheap Guns at Joes Pawn Shop" are acceptable, but a sign for a church isnt?

nice hypocrisy there.

also most priests and preachers ive met dont whine or complain. if you want to listen they will offer their views on things, and if you dont want to hear it then they will leave alone because its your choice and your life. they believe in the end you will have to answer for actions and they can only show you the path.

[Vormaerin]

Organizations suck because they have people in them, not because they have religion in them.

[Auraad]

I like the chantry ... well, a representative at least: I love Leliana!



Actually, it's absolutely realistic that something like the chantry would have evolved in a DA:O society - hell, this evolves in any society! (look @ planet earth)

[Rhys Cordelle]

Let's stick to the chantry. This isn't the place to discuss real world religions.

[vhatever]

I hate people who hate the chantry.


Der, der, der.


Posting in a stuoid thread.

[Killian Kalthorne]

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty. If you wish to find that which becomes the dividing line between mankind and other biological classifications, it rests not in brain size, dominance, or even emotional capability, but lies in the unique capacity for human beings to reflect on their actions and show regret, what is most certainly the ability to empathize, that gives them their position. All animals understand love and affection, but only man shows the propensity to place himself into the shoes of another lifeform. Losing this capability, among individuals of this species, reduces them below their much heralded position, and readies the climate for the likely fall of man, the fall from grace.

Sophia by the Cruxshadows

That pretty much sums up humanity in my opinion.

Modifié par Killian Kalthorne, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:08 .

[aberdash]

vhatever wrote...

I hate people who hate the chantry.


Der, der, der.


Posting in a stuoid thread.

Shouldn't you be under a bridge trying to eat goats?

[FlintlockJazz]

If people think the Chantry treats the mages poorly, talk to Sten after he makes a certain comment while at the Circle, you may learn things about how the Qunari treat their mages that make the Chantry's treatment seem almost like a 5 week beauty spa.

[Vladix75]

one of the things i disliked the most was the dwarf that wanted to convert his people

He should be kicked out to the city

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

 My second character is an atheist and got a hard word from the priestess at Ostagar when I refused to be prayed for.

Atheism is most commonly pragmatic. What you say you did was not a very pragmatic thing to do. In one of his  books Terry Pratchet tells of a fictional philosopher who states that, although religion sounds like hogwash to him and many  others, it wont hurt to pretend you are religious, because you lose nothing if you do (in your case accept the prayer), but on the off-chance that you are wrong, you are going to hell.

After said philospher died, he found himself surrounded by a group of angry deities, each holding a rather heavy object in his hands, and the lead deity said: "now you'll see what we do with people who think they are smarter than us"

Modifié par Heals.like.Jesus, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:20 .

[Vladix75]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

If people think the Chantry treats the mages poorly, talk to Sten after he makes a certain comment while at the Circle, you may learn things about how the Qunari treat their mages that make the Chantry's treatment seem almost like a 5 week beauty spa.

Gonna play with him this run and hope to hear some stuff from him

[vhatever]

aberdash wrote...

vhatever wrote...

I hate people who hate the chantry.


Der, der, der.


Posting in a stuoid thread.

Shouldn't you be under a bridge trying to eat goats?

I hate people who ask questions when I'm busy hating people who hate the chantry, who really should get a friggin blog, cause no one cares about their angst-ridden teenage "I R so kewl cuz I be hate relig0in!" drivel.

[arpegino]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

After said philospher died, he found himself surrounded by a group of angry deities, each holding a rather heavy object in his hands, and the lead deity said: "now you'll ee what we do with people who think they are smarter than us"

You're bluffing.

[Vladix75]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

If people think the Chantry treats the mages poorly, talk to Sten after he makes a certain comment while at the Circle, you may learn things about how the Qunari treat their mages that make the Chantry's treatment seem almost like a 5 week beauty spa.

Gonna play with him this run and hope to hear some stuff from him