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[andybuiadh]

ITT: People taking this game much too seriously.



I'm a nihilist. Doesn't make me emorage about traditions/religions though.



Jeez.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

arpegino wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

After said philospher died, he found himself surrounded by a group of angry deities, each holding a rather heavy object in his hands, and the lead deity said: "now you'll ee what we do with people who think they are smarter than us"

You're bluffing.

...what?

[FlintlockJazz]

Vladix75 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

If people think the Chantry treats the mages poorly, talk to Sten after he makes a certain comment while at the Circle, you may learn things about how the Qunari treat their mages that make the Chantry's treatment seem almost like a 5 week beauty spa.

Gonna play with him this run and hope to hear some stuff from him

Dunno if there is a specific trigger to cause it, but while I had him in the party at the tower, he said something regarding mages which got my attention and so I clicked on him to start the conversation and discovered a new conversation piece regarding what he had just said, followed by a further conversation choice once I got back to camp.  I dunno what triggers it or if it needs to be triggered, but it was a very...enlightening experience into Qunari culture, especially since I was playing my mage at the time...

[Rhys Cordelle]

[quote]Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

[/quote]
Atheism is most commonly pragmatic. What you say you did was not a very pragmatic thing to do.
[/quote]

Well 'refused' was an inaccurately strong word. She offered to pray for me and I said no thanks. There's nothing impractical about that.

EDIT: Also inaccurate was my use of the term atheist. I should have said antitheist. The reason for that is simply to get a different experience of the game compared with my first character who was devoted to Andraste.

Modifié par Rhys Cordelle, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:36 .

[Damiannnnn]

Mordaedil wrote...

Projecting real life views into video games.

Also, this is NOTHING like Christianity.

Yes it is. The collapse of the Tevinter Imperium by a blight and then by invading "barbarian" tribes is a direct mirror of the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The Tevinter rules over much of the world. The Roman empire rules over much of the world. After the fall of Tevinter, the people take up new gods which had only been worshipped by mostly minorities before. After the fall of the Roman empire, Christianity takes hold of Europe like a starving lion takes hold of a captured deer.

Exalted marches = Crusades.

The Schism between Tevinter's interpretation of the Chant and the other interpretation of the chant = The Schism between, to a lesser extent, between Christian west and Orthodox east, and to a greater extent the Protestants and Catholics.

The Maker's prophet Andraste being betrayed and burned at the stake = God's son and prophet being betrayed and crucified.

This entire storyline is Europes history of the last 1,500 years, with the names of everything changed, and beasts from hell added into the mix.

Which is why, as a historian, I love the Codex more than any other feature of this game, except perhaps for Leliana in those Chasind robes you find from the secret stash. I might like that more than the codex. Not much more though. Just a tad.

Modifié par Damiannnnn, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:37 .

[j99450]

My Dalish Elf is especially against the Chantry, for obvious reasons. If it was possible a certain dwarf would have been returned to the Stone after talking to him...

[.Raven.rpg]

Agreed

I see I am not alone

Chantry just wanna control whole world



but about blood magic I dislike it

I still think that is dark art

[Rhys Cordelle]

Damiannnnn wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

Projecting real life views into video games.

Also, this is NOTHING like Christianity.

Yes it is. The collapse of the Tevinter Imperium by a blight and then by invading "barbarian" tribes is a direct mirror of the fall of the Western Roman Empire. The Tevinter rules over much of the world. The Roman empire rules over much of the world. After the fall of Tevinter, the people take up new gods which had only been worshipped by mostly minorities before. After the fall of the Roman empire, Christianity takes hold of Europe like a starving lion takes hold of a captured deer.

Exalted marches = Crusades.

The Schism between Tevinter's interpretation of the Chant and the other interpretation of the chant = The Schism between, to a lesser extent, between Christian west and Orthodox east, and to a greater extent the Protestants and Catholics.

The Maker's prophet Andraste being betrayed and burned at the stake = God's son and prophet being betrayed and crucified.

This entire storyline is Europes history of the last 1,500 years, with the names of everything changed, and beasts from hell added into the mix.

Seriously. They have christianity written all over them.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Atheism is most commonly pragmatic. What you say you did was not a very pragmatic thing to do.

Well 'refused' was an inaccurately strong word. She offered to pray for me and I said no thanks. There's nothing impractical about that.

EDIT: Also inaccurate was my use of the term atheist. I should have said antitheist. The reason for that is simply to get a different experience of the game compared with my first character who was devoted to Andraste.

My point about the philosopher still stands. Its bull to think an old woman reciting a few verses from the chantry doctrine will be able to save your life, but if there's a chance that might be true , however small, why not take it.

Modifié par Heals.like.Jesus, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:42 .

[Gecon]

I think this thread is going far too serious and started off too serious already.

Its a game.

If you want to discuss the drawbacks of christianity, maybe you should rather use some non-gamer forum (as I dont know of an off-topic forum here).

[Rhys Cordelle]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

My point about the philosopher still stands. Its bull to think an old woman reciting a few verses from the chantry doctrine will be able to save your life, but if there's a chance that might be true , however small, why not take it.

Because Pascals Wager holds no weight. I don't think there are many people in this world who would gladly accept a prayer/chant/whatever from anyone of any religion.

[Damiannnnn]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Atheism is most commonly pragmatic. What you say you did was not a very pragmatic thing to do.

Well 'refused' was an inaccurately strong word. She offered to pray for me and I said no thanks. There's nothing impractical about that.

EDIT: Also inaccurate was my use of the term atheist. I should have said antitheist. The reason for that is simply to get a different experience of the game compared with my first character who was devoted to Andraste.

My point about the philosopher still stands. Its bull to think an old woman reciting a few verses from the chantry doctrine will be able to save your life, but if there's a chance that might be true , however small, why not take it.

Because if you don't truly believe it and are just doing it for the benefits god (whichever one you believe in) will know, and your worship will be ignored.

[pokemaughan]

Hah, what an atheist tart



Take a chill pill, kid

[Fredericol]

Actually the Chantry is closer to Islamism than Christianity:



1. A Prophet that is considered the voice of the God in question. (Andraste <-> Mohammed)

2. A God Creator (Allah <-> Maker)

3. An attempt to convert the world by the Sword. (although the reasons to start were ofc valid in their eyes)



The chantry lacks certain qualities that define christianity, like mercy, forgiveness, the Son of God etc.



Just my opinion though

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Damiannnnn wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Atheism is most commonly pragmatic. What you say you did was not a very pragmatic thing to do.

Well 'refused' was an inaccurately strong word. She offered to pray for me and I said no thanks. There's nothing impractical about that.

EDIT: Also inaccurate was my use of the term atheist. I should have said antitheist. The reason for that is simply to get a different experience of the game compared with my first character who was devoted to Andraste.

My point about the philosopher still stands. Its bull to think an old woman reciting a few verses from the chantry doctrine will be able to save your life, but if there's a chance that might be true , however small, why not take it.

Because if you don't truly believe it and are just doing it for the benefits god (whichever one you believe in) will know, and your worship will be ignored.

FOUND IT!


"...This is very similar to the suggestion put forward by the Quirmian philosopher[/b] Ventre, who said, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe[/b]
in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when
you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When he died
he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of
them said, "We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in
these parts..."

Who's to say that gods know your intentions. And if they read minds, then kudos to allowing dictators, murderers and rapists, fulfill their agenda.

Terry pratchet rules

[pokemaughan]

But remember, Atheist goggles- religion = Christianity



UGH I HATE GOD AND RELIGION AND UGH I LOVE TWISTING MY PANTIES UP MY ASS ABOUT IT

[Fishy]

Vladix75 wrote...

Godeshus wrote...

Vladix I felt the same way. I myself am atheist, but I still feel that religion is important for people, and only ever push my thoughts on religious folks unless they try to do it to me.

The way I look at it, if believing in god will prevent you from going on a murderous rampage (as some believe only god can give morals), by all means, BELIEVE!!

People that believe in a god believe in a fairytale and you dont want them in charge

.

You seem more the kind of troll trying to stir up a religion debate on a video game forum , than someone debating on a fictionnal religion in a fantasy video game witg mage  farting fireball and spirit walking everywhere.

You're stupid.

ROFL this thread's funny..I mean the guy spour  how he hate the religion in the game but yet .. he prob tapped Morrigan to make a Demon god baby and walked on a irreal bridge to get the dust of the creater spouse.

Modifié par Suprez30, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:00 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

That line of thinking is hardly a spark of genius by Terry Pratchet.



do a google or wiki search on 'Pascals Wager'.



It's a very commonly used argument that you may as well believe in god, because there's no benefit to not believing in it, and you are risking eternal damnation. But given the number of religions and sects within those religions that exist, have existed, or will exist throughout human history, my chances of being punished after death are only marginally smaller than yours.

[pokemaughan]

Let's all take turns trolling eachother, that's a swell game to play

[Topher87]

Fredericol wrote...

The chantry lacks certain qualities that define christianity, like mercy, forgiveness,

I laughed, sorry.


I agree that the Chantry seams to have close ties to Christianity. But then again, almost every religion is a plagiarized religion.

I'm an Atheist myself, but I do enjoy to play the "zealot" in games.

[FlintlockJazz]

It's more a general take on the Abrahamic branches than any specific branch like Christianity or Islam (by the way, Islam does teach mercy and forgiveness also, just overlooked in today's media). Hell, you could argue that it's closer to Judaism than the other two, with Andraste taking the role of Moses, especially in regards to the Elves. They have cleverly avoided making it too much like any particular religion to avoid causing too much of a stir.

[Heals.like.Jesus]

Islam and christianity preach of mercy and forgiveness, and both have a history of violent massacres. Its hypocrisy

[FlintlockJazz]

Heals.like.Jesus wrote...

Islam and christianity preach of mercy and forgiveness, and both have a history of violent massacres. Its hypocrisy

Thats standard practice for all of humanity though.

[Cloud554]

My origin determined how I felt about the chantry for me. As a human noble I felt no ill will toward the maker or its chantry (despite getting down with an apostate), and as a Dalish I treated the chantry as if they were the jerks who destroyed my hometown (again despite hooking up with a chantry girl).

[MarloMarlo]

Vladix75 wrote...
Also they forbid other magic that they dont approve, preventing mages to discover new helpfull spells with blood magic.

I can't wait for there to be some sort of mind-control technology that the government will try to suppress or regulate so that you and I can cry about how the man is keeping research down with its bigotry. And just think of how enlightened we'd get to feel while defending it if the research involved murdering unwilling participants and if some religious group was like "Hey, that's evil!"

EnigmaticSevens wrote...
People who give the divine no merit, and believe that the entirety of existance can be comprehended and explained by something as feeble and limited as the five pound gray lump between their ears believe in a fairytale, and are equally unfit to rule. The world's damned either way, just enjoy the pretty colors as it burns.

Why should anyone give the divine any merit. What has the divine done to earn it?