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[th3warr1or]

To quote another user from the Ostagar DLC thread,

atomaweapon wrote...

But from a gamers perspective this really isn't worth my time or money I'd say. I mean if you figure Warden's Keep and this DLC equals about $13 bucks, possibly add in the value of the stone prisoner at $15 bucks and you have the cost of a full fledged expansion. As it stands the current DLC combined adds a whopping 3 hours of gameplay at the cost of 28 bucks. That is the cost of a full 20 hour expansion.



Mask of the Betrayer added about 30 hours for me and cost me that much. Along with great music, a totally imersive storyline and new characters. We can sit and compare the $5 cost to hamburgers, skittles, a movie ticket, a music cd - anything really, it's not really the price of the DLC, but the perceived value. For me it's not worth 30 bucks for 3 hours of gameplay.



I do love the universe and the gamer part of me says pump these things out, but the practical side says either put out a meatier 3 to 5 hour DLC for 5 to 7 bucks or just wait 6 months for a full fledged expansion.



As it stands now I just feel nickel and dimed.

I completely agree. The reason I feel so cheated is because BioWare thinks that by masking the size of the DLC with 'lower prices', they can put out crap and make us think that, oh it's actually quite worth it... selling us 10minute DLCs for 1dollar each, and putting out 100 of these, is basically making you pay 100bucks for 6hours.



It doesn't seem like a rip-off, but it is. Also, to the people saying "then don't buy it", although I haven't see anyone here say that, that's not working because as a Dragon Age fan, I want more content, I just want to stop being ripped off. Give us proper content, charge for it and i'll buy it.

[Diva]

th3warr1or wrote...

To quote another user from the Ostagar DLC thread,

atomaweapon wrote...
But from a gamers perspective this really isn't worth my time or money I'd say. I mean if you figure Warden's Keep and this DLC equals about $13 bucks, possibly add in the value of the stone prisoner at $15 bucks and you have the cost of a full fledged expansion. As it stands the current DLC combined adds a whopping 3 hours of gameplay at the cost of 28 bucks. That is the cost of a full 20 hour expansion.

Mask of the Betrayer added about 30 hours for me and cost me that much. Along with great music, a totally imersive storyline and new characters. We can sit and compare the $5 cost to hamburgers, skittles, a movie ticket, a music cd - anything really, it's not really the price of the DLC, but the perceived value. For me it's not worth 30 bucks for 3 hours of gameplay.

I do love the universe and the gamer part of me says pump these things out, but the practical side says either put out a meatier 3 to 5 hour DLC for 5 to 7 bucks or just wait 6 months for a full fledged expansion.

As it stands now I just feel nickel and dimed.

I completely agree. The reason I feel so cheated is because BioWare thinks that by masking the size of the DLC with 'lower prices', they can put out crap and make us think that, oh it's actually quite worth it... selling us 10minute DLCs for 1dollar each, and putting out 100 of these, is basically making you pay 100bucks for 6hours.

It doesn't seem like a rip-off, but it is. Also, to the people saying "then don't buy it", although I haven't see anyone here say that, that's not working because as a Dragon Age fan, I want more content, I just want to stop being ripped off. Give us proper content, charge for it and i'll buy it.

.. and this

[Odd Hermit]

I'd consider some DLC if they were substantial enough, but not paying 5$ for small areas and a few extra pieces of loot. I will buy expansions if they look good.

[Cosbuster]

Diva wrote...

th3warr1or wrote...

To quote another user from the Ostagar DLC thread,

atomaweapon wrote...
But from a gamers perspective this really isn't worth my time or money I'd say. I mean if you figure Warden's Keep and this DLC equals about $13 bucks, possibly add in the value of the stone prisoner at $15 bucks and you have the cost of a full fledged expansion. As it stands the current DLC combined adds a whopping 3 hours of gameplay at the cost of 28 bucks. That is the cost of a full 20 hour expansion.

Mask of the Betrayer added about 30 hours for me and cost me that much. Along with great music, a totally imersive storyline and new characters. We can sit and compare the $5 cost to hamburgers, skittles, a movie ticket, a music cd - anything really, it's not really the price of the DLC, but the perceived value. For me it's not worth 30 bucks for 3 hours of gameplay.

I do love the universe and the gamer part of me says pump these things out, but the practical side says either put out a meatier 3 to 5 hour DLC for 5 to 7 bucks or just wait 6 months for a full fledged expansion.

As it stands now I just feel nickel and dimed.

I completely agree. The reason I feel so cheated is because BioWare thinks that by masking the size of the DLC with 'lower prices', they can put out crap and make us think that, oh it's actually quite worth it... selling us 10minute DLCs for 1dollar each, and putting out 100 of these, is basically making you pay 100bucks for 6hours.

It doesn't seem like a rip-off, but it is. Also, to the people saying "then don't buy it", although I haven't see anyone here say that, that's not working because as a Dragon Age fan, I want more content, I just want to stop being ripped off. Give us proper content, charge for it and i'll buy it.

.. and this

exactly my thoughts.  +1

[trashmonk]

ITT : LOL FOOD ANALOGIES



Also, +1 for preferring full-sized expansion to small DLC's, while acknowledging that it is early to be thinking of that, but also suggesting that less of this small DLC crap would be nice nevertheless.

[Derengard]

Full expansions not only last longer, but the chances are also bigger that there is really new lore, new areas, or improved gameplay. In DLCs this is more or less predetermined to be in the realm of anything known so far (like getting to play a Codex entry).

[F-C]

th3warr1or wrote...
It doesn't seem like a rip-off, but it is. Also, to the people saying "then don't buy it", although I haven't see anyone here say that, that's not working because as a Dragon Age fan, I want more content, I just want to stop being ripped off. Give us proper content, charge for it and i'll buy it.

the issue is if you keep buying it, they will keep making it. you would too if people were handing you money.

you can tell yourself you are just one person and it wont make a difference so go ahead and buy it, but that is exactly what the salesman want you to think because if they get everyone thinking that then they get their sales.

the reality is you will always only be one person, and it takes each individual having the self control to stop purchasing things in order for it to have the impact that will cause bioware to rethink their actions.

as long as the collective is in a defeated state and just doing as they are told like sheeple nothing will ever change.

bioware has even told you that if people keep buying it, they will keep making it.

Modifié par F-C, 24 novembre 2009 - 11:22 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Cosbuster wrote...

Diva wrote...

th3warr1or wrote...

To quote another user from the Ostagar DLC thread,

atomaweapon wrote...
But from a gamers perspective this really isn't worth my time or money I'd say. I mean if you figure Warden's Keep and this DLC equals about $13 bucks, possibly add in the value of the stone prisoner at $15 bucks and you have the cost of a full fledged expansion. As it stands the current DLC combined adds a whopping 3 hours of gameplay at the cost of 28 bucks. That is the cost of a full 20 hour expansion.

Mask of the Betrayer added about 30 hours for me and cost me that much. Along with great music, a totally imersive storyline and new characters. We can sit and compare the $5 cost to hamburgers, skittles, a movie ticket, a music cd - anything really, it's not really the price of the DLC, but the perceived value. For me it's not worth 30 bucks for 3 hours of gameplay.

I do love the universe and the gamer part of me says pump these things out, but the practical side says either put out a meatier 3 to 5 hour DLC for 5 to 7 bucks or just wait 6 months for a full fledged expansion.

As it stands now I just feel nickel and dimed.

I completely agree. The reason I feel so cheated is because BioWare thinks that by masking the size of the DLC with 'lower prices', they can put out crap and make us think that, oh it's actually quite worth it... selling us 10minute DLCs for 1dollar each, and putting out 100 of these, is basically making you pay 100bucks for 6hours.

It doesn't seem like a rip-off, but it is. Also, to the people saying "then don't buy it", although I haven't see anyone here say that, that's not working because as a Dragon Age fan, I want more content, I just want to stop being ripped off. Give us proper content, charge for it and i'll buy it.

.. and this

exactly my thoughts.  +1

Another +1 from me.

[Scrobius]

The thing I don't like about DLC is I feel it's bringing us closer to a future where you could be paying less than $1 for a piece of gear to use in the game. Or $1 for a new location/room. Do you see what I mean? It's really breaking the game down to a microscopic level and is annhilating the immersion of it, so to speak. I don't want to view the game in its constituent parts. I dislike this. :\\ I dread the day when there's a DLC list where you tick the boxes of what you want.. "oh a new npc, and that dagger looks nice, this building is neat.." Maybe some people are for this, but I truly am not. Is this the quality we want?



Anyone played The Witcher? If I recall correctly, and I may be wrong, when CDProjektRed released the Enhanced Edition, the people who had the original game could download this EE for free. It was pretty humongous, but it was a really generous gesture by the company to bring more value to the customers. I think that may have even included 2 side stories too, again, if my memory doesn't fail me.

[Veracruz]

We already have Dragon Age: Origins so now we need... Dragon Age: Evolutions? Finished by Dragon Age: Endings?

I'm in for some massive expansionS.

[apoc_reg]

Yep id rather pa £15 for a massive coherent story slice than little quests here and there.

Hopefully bioware will do both with DA:O!

[Auraad]

NO!

I mean, no, you're NOT the only one ...



Give me valuable expansions, please!

[Steffin]

No, you're not the only one(s) that would prefer a full expansion instead of the nickel and diming of DLCs.

DLCs are useless to me when I've already played through a game. Why add content somewhere in the 'middle" of a game so long after we have already played?  I'm not going to start a new character just to play through a 30 minute DLC that was slipped in somewhere so MS/Devs and make $5.

DLCs reek of slimy salesmanship in my book. Especially when they are released at the same time as the core game. Why were they not included in the original? I see them as a scam, and the devs selling me an incomplete game and requiring me to pay $10 more to get the complete game.

I'm also an over 40 gamer, and I remember when expansions were $10-15 and we got 8-20 hours out of them.  

 

[Killian Kalthorne]

I want both DLCs and huge expansions.



Yeah, I am greedy.

[bjdbwea]

DLC: No.



Expansion: Yes.

[Ingrimm22]

There won't be expansions. There will be 2 years of DLC ranging from 30 minutes to perhaps a few hours, then some kind of GOTY-Edition will all DLCs included and then Dragon Age 2.

[F-C]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

There won't be expansions. There will be 2 years of DLC ranging from 30 minutes to perhaps a few hours, then some kind of GOTY-Edition will all DLCs included and then Dragon Age 2.

while this isnt confirmed i dont believe, this is pretty much what im thinking is going to happen unless DLC sales drop off drastically. so ive pretty much resigned myself to moving on once im bored of the main box game.

[Chezdon]

Once I've completed the game twice, I don't think I'll bother unless it's a fully fledged expansion.



Shale and the Keep took me a total of 3 hours. I'm glad I didn't have to pay for Shale. Although I was level 17 when I did both of these, I was still hoping for a little more.

[Schuback]

We pay for all the dlcs, and then 1 year later game of the year edition comes out that includes everything.

[Allen63]

Yes to Expansion on a DVD. Something 30 to 50 percent as long as the original DA:O at 60 percent of the DA:O price (should be very profitable now that the infrastructure is in place).



No to DLC of any type. Compile all the DLC on a DVD at a reasonable (read low) price, and I may consider it.

[ToJKa1]

Ingrimm22 wrote...

There won't be expansions. There will be 2 years of DLC ranging from 30 minutes to perhaps a few hours, then some kind of GOTY-Edition will all DLCs included and then Dragon Age 2.

Propably this, which is why i'm playing the base game until that edition with all the DLC's is on sale for a reasonable price. I'm not regretting buying this game, finished it twice allready and started third playtrough right away, but i won't be paying the full game's price again for less than 1 hour dungeon crawls.

I did buy all the DLC's for Fallout 3, despite Xbox for Windows Live, so try doing it more like Bethesda does. Without GfWL preferrably

Modifié par ToJKa1, 24 novembre 2009 - 12:45 .

[Gecon]

Err nope you arent the only one.

Far from it.

Though atm I would be unable, given the fact that I can hardly get enough time to play.

[miltos33]

This isn't about who makes the best games. Personally, I like both Bioware's and Bethesda's distinct styles. But when it comes to DLCs Bioware has certainly one or two things to learn from Bethesda. Knights of the Nine, Shivering Isles, Broken Steel, and Point Lookout were all fair products for a fair price.

[marcel1980]

Im not against DLC and will download some for sure, however a full expansion pack is what i desire in the future!