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[Capt Sheridan]

There should have been an option to lure him out with a stick of beef jerky...

..or kick him down the shaft.

[Eain]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Yes....which is why it is sush a shocker and why we have such trouble understanding the plain words....they indicate deliberate choice, an act of will that implies an understanding and acceptance of the consequences....maturity far beyond what the eyes can see and the mind can comprehend....it means that the choice is well understood and nothing you can do will change it.

Or it's sloppy writing. I understand that some people have more flexible suspension of disbelief than others (and yours is very flexible indeed), but the way I see it the kid could've been handled better.

Also about Child's parents: he has no parents. He plays alone on a rooftop garden before the Reapers strike, evacuates alone, hides in a vent duct alone. There's no indication of parents at any given time. Child is a lone entity capable of making extremely rational conclusions about the fate of mankind, which further corroborates my thesis that he is in fact the kid from AI.

Which would also help explain why the Reaper blew up the kid's evac instead of the Normandy right next to it, because as we all know Reapers hate lesser AI.

Modifié par Eain, 15 février 2012 - 11:01 .

[AlphaJarmel]

Rickin10 wrote...

Eain wrote...



But again I have previously raised my suspicions that Child is in fact not a human being at all, but instead a hyper advanced japanese robot capable of mimicing sentient life. There reason I think this is because no responsible mother would leave her kid alone in a ten square meter garden on a towering roof. In fact, Child appeared to have no parents at all, nor a name.

Or facial muscles.

Yea the facial animation for that kid was pretty much non-existant.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Hey don't criticise Mac Walters and his writing You'll get flamed by the indoctrinated fan boys.

[LilyasAvalon]

Armass81 wrote...

I still think the intro was better than in ME2 where Shepard dies and is then brough back. Oh look it's been two years and youre now with Cerberus... And what are these "thermal clip" things and robots with red square faces attacking you?

Thanks.

Makes it worse when you consider it's only been a month in between ME1's ending and ME2's intro. xD

On topic though, I still believe that kid is a figment of Shepard's imagination.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 15 février 2012 - 11:05 .

[Warden130]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Hey don't criticise Mac Walters and his writing You'll get flamed by the indoctrinated fan boys.

Yes that could happen. Or possible by people who actually like his work too.

[Lotion Soronarr]

It doesnt' feel real..at all.

It doesn't sound like a something a child would say.
And why would he run from Shpeard, only to run to a soldier?

[Techlology]

"You can't help me. I'm programed to die. Because grimdark."

[Sia_Sinblade]

Warden130 wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Hey don't criticise Mac Walters and his writing You'll get flamed by the indoctrinated fan boys.

Yes that could happen. Or possible by people who actually like his work too.

This is impossible. Because we all know (read, Duncaaaaan knows) that anyone who enjoys it is an illiterate fool.

Funnily enough, he still plain out refuses to discuss the storytelling at any depth. I mean...beyond the "THESE LINES SUCK!" attitude.

[LilyasAvalon]

See, this is why it's the PERFECT explaination that he isn't actually real, just something Shepard's mind came up with. Shepard is the only one to see him or even interact with him.

[Dave of Canada]

Because if the kid was logical, they wouldn't be able to exploit his death for cheap emotional impact.

[TheLostGenius]

It was a time paradox for the Sole Survivor Sheperd. Truth is he was killed when he was a child, yet he still existed...

[JediHealerCosmin]

Maybe he's an illusion or something. I mean, only Shepard notices him...

 

[MakeMineMako]

GirlPower23 wrote...

Seems ridiculously bad and probably not something a child would say,

Kids are amazingly perceptive. And smarter than most adults give them credit for.

I could see such a kid saying something like that if hordes of multi-kilometer long death machines just dropped in, and started blowing everything to hell. Maybe the boy in the game was meant to represent such a perceptive child, to remind Shepard that you can't save everyone. 

[Sia_Sinblade]

MakeMineMako wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

Seems ridiculously bad and probably not something a child would say,

Kids are amazingly perceptive. And smarter than most adults give them credit for.

I could see such a kid saying something like that if hordes of multi-kilometer long death machines just dropped in, and started blowing everything to hell. Maybe the boy in the game was meant to represent such a perceptive child, to remind Shepard that you can't save everyone. 

Fool! It was obviously just a cheap attempt to ellicit emotions from players. How dare you insinuate that there is actually some thinking behind these scenes????

[Nu-Nu]

I like it, it's like that scene with Newt from Aliens, in fact it's almost like homage to Newt. Newt didn't believe the soldiers could help her and she survived in the ducts, and then she died at the intro to Alien 3. Newt felt safer in the duct, so maybe the kid felt safer in the duct than being out in the open with Shepard?

[Eain]

MakeMineMako wrote...
Kids are amazingly perceptive. And smarter than most adults give them credit for.

Fans are amazingly willing so suspend disbelief too. And thankfully nobody questions that, least of all Mac Walters, because it happens every day. Kids being wise beyond their age is, unfortunately, a much rarer event, and therefore requires far more justification in when implemented into fiction.

[Taradil]

MakeMineMako wrote...

GirlPower23 wrote...

Seems ridiculously bad and probably not something a child would say,

Kids are amazingly perceptive. And smarter than most adults give them credit for.

I could see such a kid saying something like that if hordes of multi-kilometer long death machines just dropped in, and started blowing everything to hell. Maybe the boy in the game was meant to represent such a perceptive child, to remind Shepard that you can't save everyone. 

[squee913]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

It doesnt' feel real..at all.

It doesn't sound like a something a child would say.
And why would he run from Shpeard, only to run to a soldier?

He is a child. He tries to get to the safest place he can see. He felt safer in the air vent than with Shep. Then for any number of reasons he had to leave the vent and was out in the open. After seeing a giant monster point a laser at him, he decided that on the shuttle was the safest place for him... What is so hard to understand about that?

[Sia_Sinblade]

Eain wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...
Kids are amazingly perceptive. And smarter than most adults give them credit for.

Fans are amazingly willing so suspend disbelief too. And thankfully nobody questions that, least of all Mac Walters, because it happens every day. Kids being wise beyond their age is, unfortunately, a much rarer event, and therefore requires far more justification in when implemented into fiction.

I posted this in another thread, but I'll repost here. Maybe someone will take the time to read it. I think it is perfectly justified in the context of the whole intro. Here is why:

This is something that irks me to no end. I have read a few alternate
ideas on how to supposedly "better" do this scene. Let's analyze what we
have first, shall we?

The game opens up with that little kid
playing on the rooftops. A happy kid. A normal kid. Shepard sees that
and it forms a connection. Keep in mind what SHepard already
knows/firmly believes. He/she knows the Reapers are close. He/she knows
that there will be mass destruction and killing coming very soon. If you
put yourself in Sheps situation, a scene of an innocent, playing child
would be like a Sledgehammer blow. Why? Because it is doomed to not
last. I will get to this again later.

Now, the Reapers attack.
Everything goes haywire. Earth is not prepared. Shepard tries to get
back to the Normandy and on the course, they stumble across the very
same child. Coincidence? Sure, dramatic coincidence. A regular old plot
device, perfectly validated. Why? The scene where the kid refuses to let
Shepard help him is pretty loaded with more assaults on Shepards
emotions/sanity.

The kid is hidden (hiding, a thing any child
would do in this situation). He is scared witless. Evetrything around
him is being destroyed. He possibly saw his apartment get blown to
pieces. Maybe with his parents in there. He probably saw death for the
very first time, in the form of giant monsters. Shepard comes along and
offers help. But did you notice something after Shepard asks the kid to
come out? Yeah, we see a Reaper walking in the background. The kid sees
it, too. Can you imagine the impact of that on the kid's mind? There's a
random stranger, offering him help, but in the background, he sees the
machines that are destroying everything he knows and nothing can stop
them.

"You can't help me." he says. And he means it. And why is
that important? Because it punches Shepard straight in the face, that's
why. Another blow to Shepards mind, another indicator that he/she cannot
win. He/she knows this and it is illustrated here and made more
powerful.

So then we have Shepard leaving on the Normandy. Just
before they leave, Shepard catches sight of that same kid, the kid who
claimed Shep can't help him. He gets to the escape shuttle. He scrambles
on. Maybe, just maybe, there is hope.

But then the shuttle gets blown to bits.

How
do you think Shepard feels now? He/she knows there is no hope of
winning. Can you imagine how painful it would be to Shepard to see, so
plainly, a reminder that whatever he/she is going to do, he/she will
fail?

And this is really the point I am trying to make. The
scene and the entire setup is not intended to make us care about a
random child, or even to illustrate how evil the reapers are. It is
designed to take Shepard's mind and heart and twist and squeeze and
crush them. It is designed to have maximum impact on the main character.
Yes, he/she is "successful". Yes, he/she succeeds against the greatest
odds. But no matter what he/she does, it is now clear to him/her that
she will fail.

And in turn, we, as the players, can relate
better to Shepard. Unless you are not a completely heartless wretch, you
can understand what kind of impact this has on the character and it
makes Shepard more human than ever before. He/she will fail.

Apologies for the bad formatting. -.-

Modifié par Sia_Sinblade, 15 février 2012 - 11:19 .

[Total Biscuit]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

You're surprised that there's bad writing in an ME game without Karpyshyn. Really?

The more I learn about ME3, the more I think this is going to end up being the route of pretty much every problem. Damned Star Wars.

But one the subject of the child's awful lines, I've got wonder just how sheltered it must have been.

I can't believe anyone who lived right on the doorstep of Alliance HQ, who spends there time playing with model alliance fighters, wouldn't know who Commander Shepard, first human Spectre, Savior of the Citadel, Alliance Poster Person, dead person who came back to life, saved Horizon, and was put on trial for wiping out an entire star system, actually is.

I know, panicking and stupid, but even so, most non retarded children would more likely run toward the adult famous for slaughtering aliens in the middle of an alien invasion than argue with them and then instead run to another bunch of armed adults a few minutes later.

Frankly I think humanity is better off with it dying before it had a chance to breed.

[tonnactus]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

See, this is why it's the PERFECT explaination that he isn't actually real, just something Shepard's mind came up with. Shepard is the only one to see him or even interact with him.

So the citadel council was right about shepardts mental state...

[squee913]

Eain wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...
Kids are amazingly perceptive. And smarter than most adults give them credit for.

Fans are amazingly willing so suspend disbelief too. And thankfully nobody questions that, least of all Mac Walters, because it happens every day. Kids being wise beyond their age is, unfortunately, a much rarer event, and therefore requires far more justification in when implemented into fiction.

Silly insults aside, you admit that there are kids wise beyond their age, so why can't this kid be one of them? 

[Nordicus]

Techlology wrote...

"You can't help me. I'm programed to die. Because grimdark."

[Adrenaline Junkie]

Nu-Nu wrote...

Newt felt safer in the duct, so maybe the kid felt safer in the duct than being out in the open with Shepard?

I could buy that, but we see him out in the open with other adults later.

I think I know what his purpose was in the narrative, it was pretty transparent, but as soon as he said "You can't help me" I was like "No way? You just turned down a potential ticket out of the apocalypse?"

He's either an idiot or the victim of some highly unrealistic writing. Maybe both.