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[BatmanPWNS]

The kid didn't listen to Space Jesus, OMG, so unrealistic. Now excuse me as I go meet an Asari, travel through space and stop the Reapers which are all 100x times more realistic.

/sarcasm.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 15 février 2012 - 01:29 .

[LaurenShepard-N7]

I thought Shepard was imagining the kid in the vent, and when Anderson yells at him to keep moving, he snaps out of it, that's why when he looks again the kid has suddenly disappeared. It's supposed to symbolise Shepard's guilt at not being able to save everyone, though it came across as pretty cheesy and cliche to me.

[Sigh_Blaise]

I liked the scene. The only part of empathy i felt in the entire intro.

I always thought terrified kids are more likely to turn down help from a stranger due to their irrational fear at that age. Even Newt in Aliens tries to hide from the marines because she felt safer hiding in the vents on her own...

[Gabey5]

yeah a kid would like **** yeah get me outta here bro

[Wulfram]

As far as the kid being a hallucination, note that you can see him running into the building before you meet him if you keep an eye out.

Plus I can't see Bioware forcing you to play Shepard as that screwed up.

[Fireblader70]

A lot of people seem to be assuming that every kid is the same... if my little cousin was in that shaft and a random stranger asked him to come along, he would run away too. Running is a defence mechanism from danger.

And let's be honest, a kid of that age isn't going to know the inner workings of 'great' dialogue in the middle of a massacre. In that sense, saying "you can't help me" is more plausible than "oh, Shepard, I'm afraid I can't do that. The risk is just too great and, since you will probably die anyway, I have chosen to run as it may help my chances." (no, I do not see that as good dialogue, it's exaggerated to make a point).
The kid isn't a master diplomat, he's a kid. And when kids see giant mechanical robots trying to kill them, they get scared.

[nitefyre410]

Okay there are two ways you can look at this... One way is that kids is really Anderson did not see the kid in the all the chaos. Shepard did see the kid but when Anderson call the kid made a quick get way. Considering that utter chaos of the attack and fight or flight. ..I'm going this answer. Happens all the time... mostly he thinks the monsters can't get him if he stays hidden. Like hiding under your bed as a child.

Second is that the kid is some kind a of mental projection of Shepards mind - which could be the case but is a bit of reach considering those that have saves with "No Man Left behind"

[Poison_Berrie]

You have to keep in mind that the purpose of this scene isn't to show you a realistic kid, but is mostly there to give Shepard a small connection to the kid before he dies.
The dialogue is supposed to be forshadowing and a reminder of that Shepards job isn't to stay on Earth.
It's a bit weird hearing it come from the mouth of a child, though.

[Medhia Nox]

You know what's funny... I read these boards and I think to myself: "What kinda of people talk like this?"

Why would this boy trust or believe in you? You're standing in a bombed out section of a building and you just fought off some husks.

Who knows what this kids seen... yeah, it does sound odd... but spend some time actually paying attention to what people say in the world around you. People say some pretty odd ****.

And this kid has just had his entire world (literally) **** slapped by space cuttlefish.

I think he's just speaking the truth.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 février 2012 - 02:38 .

[nocbl2]

 Most of the writing in the demo was god-awful.

"I'm a soldier, not a politician."

Then WHY THE HELL have I been investing in your speech capabilities? To kill people with words?

[Medhia Nox]

@nocbl2: Because you're a "leader" of soldiers - not a bureaucrat?

[Gabriel S.]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Adrenaline Junkie wrote...

Why would anybody say that? Especially a kid?

Go back in time.
Become a kid again.
See everything you know and everyone get killed all around you.
Try to think coherently.

HELP ME! SOMEONE HELP ME! EFF EFF EFF!

Mamiii...

[Guldhun2]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@nocbl2: Because you're a "leader" of soldiers - not a bureaucrat?

True, a real "leader" of soldiers does not care about sentences making sense. You see it on the news all the time. When asked about a mission in Afghanistan they all respond with "WE FIGHT OR WE DIE THATS THE PLAN".

Modifié par Guldhun2, 15 février 2012 - 02:53 .

[Cody]

Wulfram wrote...

As far as the kid being a hallucination, note that you can see him running into the building before you meet him if you keep an eye out.

Plus I can't see Bioware forcing you to play Shepard as that screwed up.

And why not? It would be perfect to have Shepard develop a form of PTSD(Post-traumatic stress disorder). I mean most people, soldier or not would have broken down by now by what Shep has seen and been through during and before ME. Adding something like that would be pretty cool.

Tbh I didn't think Bioware had the balls to kill a kid. So I am still thinking on the lines of a hallucination.

[jds1bio]

I thought the scene was a good idea...but it would have resonated more if:

- the child's gender and suggestive appearance matched Shepard's gender and background (spacer, earthborn, colonist) - others have thought this as well

- Shepard actually got a choice to tell the child to either "stay put" or "go with these soldiers" or something - a short conversation again reflecting Shepard's own background, that would have reinforced the background selection choice for players new to Mass Effect - while establishing some sort of personal stake beyond survivor's guilt

- it led to a consequential minor thread that could weave itself through the game (maybe this does exist in the full game, we'll see)

But, as I said with DA2, it's not my game and I can't re-write it.

Modifié par jds1bio, 15 février 2012 - 02:57 .

[Guldhun2]

CodyMelch wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

As far as the kid being a hallucination, note that you can see him running into the building before you meet him if you keep an eye out.

Plus I can't see Bioware forcing you to play Shepard as that screwed up.

And why not? It would be perfect to have Shepard develop a form of PTSD(Post-traumatic stress disorder). I mean most people, soldier or not would have broken down by now by what Shep has seen and been through during and before ME. Adding something like that would be pretty cool.

Tbh I didn't think Bioware had the balls to kill a kid. So I am still thinking on the lines of a hallucination.

No. You are wrong. Shepard will not have PTSD.

[LOLandStuff]

Only grown ups scream and run around without any sense of direction.

[Cody]

Guldhun2 wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

As far as the kid being a hallucination, note that you can see him running into the building before you meet him if you keep an eye out.

Plus I can't see Bioware forcing you to play Shepard as that screwed up.

And why not? It would be perfect to have Shepard develop a form of PTSD(Post-traumatic stress disorder). I mean most people, soldier or not would have broken down by now by what Shep has seen and been through during and before ME. Adding something like that would be pretty cool.

Tbh I didn't think Bioware had the balls to kill a kid. So I am still thinking on the lines of a hallucination.

No. You are wrong. Shepard will not have PTSD.

Right because just because you say Shep won't means it won't happen. Do you work with the dev team? No? Then don't act as if you did.

[Gabey5]

CodyMelch wrote...

Guldhun2 wrote...

CodyMelch wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

As far as the kid being a hallucination, note that you can see him running into the building before you meet him if you keep an eye out.

Plus I can't see Bioware forcing you to play Shepard as that screwed up.

And why not? It would be perfect to have Shepard develop a form of PTSD(Post-traumatic stress disorder). I mean most people, soldier or not would have broken down by now by what Shep has seen and been through during and before ME. Adding something like that would be pretty cool.

Tbh I didn't think Bioware had the balls to kill a kid. So I am still thinking on the lines of a hallucination.

No. You are wrong. Shepard will not have PTSD.

Right because just because you say Shep won't means it won't happen. Do you work with the dev team? No? Then don't act as if you did.

Shepard has not been presented in that way

we have only been allowed to show vulnerability or what seems to be vulnerability once in the entire series

that is when liara comes to your cabin in LOTSB

[Medhia Nox]

@Guldhun2: Afghanistan cannot be equated to "A force the threatens the existence of all life on planet earth." No matter how much warmongering American's want to make it seem that way.

Shepard is simply stating the stupidly obvious to a bunch of scared ****less armchair generals.

===

As for PTSD - every soldier I've ever met or talked to has said that they have to deal with what they've experienced eventually... whether it's heavy drinking or some other coping vice... or genuine psychological coping.

Shepard would be a discredit to soldiers throughout history without some form of it... ((though I'm not on board with this whole hallucination thing))

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 15 février 2012 - 03:09 .

[llandwynwyn]

Adrenaline Junkie wrote...

Why would anybody say that? Especially a kid?

It actually makes a lot of sense. That kid wasn't alone all this time, he probably watched his parents and other adults die before Shep got into the picture. The poor thing must have been in shock and scared out of his mind.

[Medhia Nox]

@llandwynwyn: Seriously... his parents couldn't save him... the grownups in the house next door couldn't save him.... the other adults he's run across so far haven't/couldn't save him.

Why MUST Shepard suddenly be so convincing - is it just because the audience feels that everything should be done to show how amazing they are? Are gamers really that starved for self-endorsement?