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[Taleroth]

teh_619 wrote...

chengthao wrote...

Dutch105 wrote...

I fear that people would flock to BSN to complain if Mass Effect 3 ended within the first 20 mins of the game, because the Reapers destroyed the Normandy.

Sometimes, game mechanics have to come in front of "established lore".

or maybe they could've just done a scene that made more sense

What??

No. We can't have that.

It's harder than people realize. I'm inclined to think Bioware similarly to lots of other parts of the industry. Come up with the set pieces first for a thin narrative. Then fill in the gaps with more specific narrative. At which point they're already committed to a Reaper invasion and Shepard having to escape while a dramatic pre-render plays.

[Sgt Stryker]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...
See if the scene had worked like this.

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** fire everything try to give the civilians some cover".
Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.
Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on"
Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy"
Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!"
Normandy flies of while maneuvering to evade fire.

This would have been much better. And I'm willing to bet you could still have it be dramatic w/ Clint Mansell's piano theme in the background.

Either that or people would start ****ing about why the Reaper didn't shoot at the Normandy first. 

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 15 février 2012 - 07:01 .

[jmood88]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Dutch105 wrote...

I fear that people would flock to BSN to complain if Mass Effect 3 ended within the first 20 mins of the game, because the Reapers destroyed the Normandy.

Sometimes, game mechanics have to come in front of "established lore".

Stupid comment.

JSUT RE-WRITE IT SO IT MAKES SENSE.

Like....there's no big reapers near Normandy or shepard.
Or - a few cruisers/gunships engage that reaper nearest to the Normandy to distract it while it picks up Shep and Anderson.


See? Two simple solutions I could think up in 5 seconds.
So why can't Bio devote 5 seconds to this?

There were ships closer to it and people shooting at it.

[incinerator950]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Another question that could be asked is why did the Normandy just hoover there and watch the civilians get killed?

It's so surreal that they just stand there and watch kind of like "Uhmm big reaper thingy coming commander should we do something or at least try too?...No..okay you read the script and were just supposed to stay here ..i see..preparing to fly off like we haven't got a care in the world..roger".

See if the scene had worked like this.

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** fire everything try to give the civilians some cover".
Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.
Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on"
Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy"
Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!"
Normandy flies of while maneuvering to evade fire.

Why?  We know why the scene happened, to show what's going to happen to the people of earth. 

If it were up to me, I would have ordered the ship to dust off before the shuttles even landed.

[jmood88]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Another question that could be asked is why did the Normandy just hoover there and watch the civilians get killed?

It's so surreal that they just stand there and watch kind of like "Uhmm big reaper thingy coming commander should we do something or at least try too?...No..okay you read the script and were just supposed to stay here ..i see..preparing to fly off like we haven't got a care in the world..roger".

See if the scene had worked like this.

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** fire everything try to give the civilians some cover".
Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.
Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on"
Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy"
Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!"
Normandy flies of while maneuvering to evade fire.

One of the funny things about this forum is that people criticize the writing but they write crap like this. If this was in the script, there would've been nothing but complaints.

[Sgt Stryker]

One other thing I'm curious about: where did those human husks at the very beginning come from? Is huskification really that fast, or did the Reapers already capture several human colonies and are transporting husks from those worlds?

[Wulfram]

chengthao wrote...

more of threat than a bunch of shuttles carrying refugees

No threat is no threat, either way.

[jmood88]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

One other thing I'm curious about: where did those human husks at the very beginning come from? Is huskification really that fast, or did the Reapers already capture several human colonies and are transporting husks from those worlds?

The husks have been all over the place, I'm sure that the reapers could've gotten some from another world and let them loose.

[Arppis]

I guess they are arrogant and think Shepard can't do anything, so they don't care, they just systematicaly kill everyone on sight and don't have any "priority" targets. Because they cannot be stopped obviously.

[Luigitornado]

Because they're cocky, and there to do their thing. They aren't fighting a war, they are exterminating.

When a little kid is stomping ants, he doesn't go out of his way to stomp all the ones that are fleeing, nor does he take notice of what type of ant it is.

Modifié par Luigitornado, 15 février 2012 - 07:16 .

[Takamori The Templar]

You know why Shepard isn't dead and that scene made to the final build?
Amateurs finishing a trilogy made by a genius, thinking that would be awesome to add some "Call of Duty" feel to the game.
Because of course a Cutscene with tons of people watching Reaper wrecking a military base isn't enough...

[jmood88]

Takamori The Templar wrote...

You know why Shepard isn't dead and that scene made to the final build?
Amateurs finishing a trilogy made by a genius, thinking that would be awesome to add some "Call of Duty" feel to the game.
Because of course a Cutscene with tons of people watching Reaper wrecking a military base isn't enough...

Good thing you won't waste your money on it though, right?

[teh_619]

jmood88 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

You know why Shepard isn't dead and that scene made to the final build?
Amateurs finishing a trilogy made by a genius, thinking that would be awesome to add some "Call of Duty" feel to the game.
Because of course a Cutscene with tons of people watching Reaper wrecking a military base isn't enough...

Good thing you won't waste your money on it though, right?

I wouldn't joke about it, there are immoral people who pirate.

[Balek-Vriege]

jmood88 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Another question that could be asked is why did the Normandy just hoover there and watch the civilians get killed?

It's so surreal that they just stand there and watch kind of like "Uhmm big reaper thingy coming commander should we do something or at least try too?...No..okay you read the script and were just supposed to stay here ..i see..preparing to fly off like we haven't got a care in the world..roger".

See if the scene had worked like this.

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** fire everything try to give the civilians some cover".
Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.
Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on"
Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy"
Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!"
Normandy flies of while maneuvering to evade fire.

One of the funny things about this forum is that people criticize the writing but they write crap like this. If this was in the script, there would've been nothing but complaints.

I hate to say it but that is pretty bad and shows what I think the problem is.  People complaining about writing need EVERYTHING explained to them.  Lets make it more realistic:

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** (Wipe out this and put in one expletive since Shepard's character isn't known for panicing like that, ever,) fire everything try to give the civilians some cover". (First of all they're Alliance troopers evacing civilians.  "Joker/Pilot, lay down some cover for those soldiers/shuttles down there!"  This whole scenario ignores the fact that the Normandy is in a positon to actually cover them and would automatically become a target thus killing Shep and any chance of defeating the Reapers...)

Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.  (one shot would do to distract them, no reason to go over the top.  Not to mention Frigate payloads, especially the SR2's, are heavy duty weapons that could do as much dmg to the shuttles as they try to do to the Reaper)

Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on" (Why would Shep say that when he knows the Reapers take very little to no damage?  Doesn't make sense)

Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy" (Normandy is most likely dead)

Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!" (Shepard can't say that, he/she is dead because a Reaper just lasered them up.  Not hard to hit a target that isn't moving fast like in space.  I don't care how good the Pilot/Joker is.)

The logical thing to happen this scenario is that Shepard and the Normandy get blown up because they change their goal from escaping to fight the Reapers another day, to fighting and protecting civilians and even taking Reaper fire.  Instead they survive.  Bad writing.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 15 février 2012 - 07:27 .

[DaJe]

I would have prefered if the Normandy barely got out. The whole earth section lacked impact and felt fabricated for player convenience.

[incinerator950]

teh_619 wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

You know why Shepard isn't dead and that scene made to the final build?
Amateurs finishing a trilogy made by a genius, thinking that would be awesome to add some "Call of Duty" feel to the game.
Because of course a Cutscene with tons of people watching Reaper wrecking a military base isn't enough...

Good thing you won't waste your money on it though, right?

I wouldn't joke about it, there are immoral people who pirate.

If you're not willing to pay for the product, do not attempt to criticize it.

[incinerator950]

DaJe wrote...

I would have prefered if the Normandy barely got out. The majority of the series lacked impact and felt fabricated for player convenience.

[spychi]

Schrijver wrote...

stealth...

*cough*Mass Effect 2*cough* *cough*prologue*cough* 

[incinerator950]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Another question that could be asked is why did the Normandy just hoover there and watch the civilians get killed?

It's so surreal that they just stand there and watch kind of like "Uhmm big reaper thingy coming commander should we do something or at least try too?...No..okay you read the script and were just supposed to stay here ..i see..preparing to fly off like we haven't got a care in the world..roger".

See if the scene had worked like this.

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** fire everything try to give the civilians some cover".
Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.
Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on"
Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy"
Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!"
Normandy flies of while maneuvering to evade fire.

One of the funny things about this forum is that people criticize the writing but they write crap like this. If this was in the script, there would've been nothing but complaints.

I hate to say it but that is pretty bad and shows what I think the problem is.  People complaining about writing need EVERYTHING explained to them.  Lets make it more realistic:

Reaper breaks though and does the Bwwwwwwah"
Shep :"Oh S***...S*** (Wipe out this and put in one expletive since Shepard's character isn't known for panicing like that, ever,) fire everything try to give the civilians some cover". (First of all they're Alliance troopers evacing civilians.  "Joker/Pilot, lay down some cover for those soldiers/shuttles down there!"  This whole scenario ignores the fact that the Normandy is in a positon to actually cover them and would automatically become a target thus killing Shep and any chance of defeating the Reapers...)

Normandy fire like crazy on the reaper which is unfazed.  (one shot would do to distract them, no reason to go over the top.  Not to mention Frigate payloads, especially the SR2's, are heavy duty weapons that could do as much dmg to the shuttles as they try to do to the Reaper)

Shep (clinging to the bulkhead from the shaking of the barrage laid down by the Normandy) - "come onn come on" (Why would Shep say that when he knows the Reapers take very little to no damage?  Doesn't make sense)

Reaper leisurely takes down the shuttles and then begins to fire at the Normandy" (Normandy is most likely dead)

Shep :"Pilot get us the hell out of here!!!" (Shepard can't say that, he/she is dead because a Reaper just lasered them up.  Not hard to hit a target that isn't moving fast like in space.  I don't care how good the Pilot/Joker is.)

The logical thing to happen this scenario is that Shepard and the Normandy get blown up because they change their goal from escaping to fight the Reapers another day, to fighting and protecting civilians and even taking Reaper fire.  Instead they survive.  Bad writing.

This sounds almost as bad as when I narrated the entire story of ME 1.

[Harshfact]

e Normandy barely got out. The whole earth section lacked impact and felt fabricated for player convenience.[/quote]

You know what ?  hate demo...seriously, i do ...we have got like 40 mins of the whole game and all i've been seeing for the last 4 days are "why did this happen?" or "how did they forgot that?" "Bioware sucks" "ME 3 cancelled"... don't get me wrong i'm not saying it shouldn't be there in the first place but it's really getting tedious ... iamgine if we had got Freedom's Progress and say.. Garrus's loyality misson without all the dialouge as a demo and everything that everyone would be discussing prior to Me 3 release would be how those missions sucked etc...  miss the good old days before demo when everyone was excited and there was a share amount of both sides arguing and discussing stuff . now it just seems to be defending or attacking the demo

[LawRecordings]

Problem?

[Balek-Vriege]

spychi wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

stealth...

*cough*Mass Effect 2*cough* *cough*prologue*cough* 

Remember tt may have not been stealth detection which did Shepard in there.  Remember the whole assignment seemed setup by the Collectors (missing ships in Geth Space) and lured the Normandy there knowing Shep would investigate.  It was an assasination attempt and they knew the SR1 would show up eventually.  They we're definitely in visual range when they started their attack.

[teh_619]

incinerator950 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

jmood88 wrote...

Takamori The Templar wrote...

You know why Shepard isn't dead and that scene made to the final build?
Amateurs finishing a trilogy made by a genius, thinking that would be awesome to add some "Call of Duty" feel to the game.
Because of course a Cutscene with tons of people watching Reaper wrecking a military base isn't enough...

Good thing you won't waste your money on it though, right?

I wouldn't joke about it, there are immoral people who pirate.

If you're not willing to pay for the product, do not attempt to criticize it.

If you're not willing to make a good game, do not attempt to sell it.

[incinerator950]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

spychi wrote...

Schrijver wrote...

stealth...

*cough*Mass Effect 2*cough* *cough*prologue*cough* 

Remember tt may have not been stealth detection which did Shepard in there.  Remember the whole assignment seemed setup by the Collectors (missing ships in Geth Space) and lured the Normandy there knowing Shep would investigate.  It was an assasination attempt and they knew the SR1 would show up eventually.  They we're definitely in visual range when they started their attack.

Possibly.

[2484Stryker]

I love how the Normandy was able to escape unscathed after hovering in midair for a good 5 minutes right in front of a reaper while Anderson and Shepard had their little chitchat. But when two shuttles take off the reaper immediately blasts them out of the sky and Shepard just watches.

Must be the dumbest Reaper in their entire fleet. Haha