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[Xaijin]

SolidBeast wrote...

Excalceo wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

I saw this theory floating around here before.
I think it's a great idea, but on the other hand, I would be disappointed that there wasn't an actual child dying in that scene. Adds to the whole "children are invincible" trend in games that really bothers me. See Skyrim. I want to see innocents dying, and that includes children. This is a goddamn galactic war.

Yeah, I guess you get two different payoffs depending which is true.  Granted everything I said is completely speculatory and the child could in fact actually be dead.

Child dies = immediate payoff, player realizes what's at stake, brutal war is brutal.
Child "dies" find out later he wasn't real = long term payoff, player realizes the child didn't in fact die, but also realize Shepard is going insane.

Indeed. I like characters that gradually become insane, like Anders for instance. It makes me feel uneasy and makes the whole situation that much more tragic.

Xaijin wrote...

We know the child is real because he reacts to the Reaper presence and his clothes flap when the reaper slams down.

/thread.

No, that proves nothing. I get hallucinations when under severe stress and they look pretty damn realistic / blended into the environment.
I think it's completely plausible for someone who's been through so much **** to start experiencing some consequences. In fact, it'd be unrealistic if he didn't.

Thanks for sharing but lucid does equal physically present. There's no indicators that BW tried to attempt any of that, nor is there any shorthand present in the game itself ot that eefect that I've seen.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yeah, we've discussed this quite a bit before. I think it's a very interesting theory and has more potential to it, but we really don't have any evidence as to its truthfulness, so it's kind of hanging in the air right now.

[Mike Shepard]

I can see an ending where Shepard ends up in a padded room shouting gibberish and then it flashes out and you see he's in his quarters on the original normandy

[RGFrog]

The child's lines are lame foreshadowing. I knew once he spoke that the kid was going to die, that sheppard would have to deal with a saving all complex in one way or another, and guess what... he did with anderson, the kid died, and shep brushes it all off and flies away.

Probably means that anderson will die, too and that shep might have been able to save him but didn't for some reason.

[Excalceo]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Yeah, we've discussed this quite a bit before. I think it's a very interesting theory and has more potential to it, but we really don't have any evidence as to its truthfulness, so it's kind of hanging in the air right now.

Yeah, I didn't realize this had been a discussion before.  I forum searched it and didn't find anything so decided to spark up the conversation again.

But like you said, it's completely speculatory.

[SolidBeast]

Xaijin wrote...


Thanks for sharing but lucid does equal physically present. There's no indicators that BW tried to attempt any of that, nor is there any shorthand present in the game itself ot that eefect that I've seen.

I wasn't really sharing, merely pointing out that his clothes moving or him reacting to the reaper means nothing. It can still all be a projection of Shepard's mind. That, and nobody reacts to him.
That said, I do not think the devs actually made him a hallucination.

[Eire Icon]

My own take on the kid thing is this:

Judging from the demo it dosen't paricularly seem like Shepard has been treated very well by the Alliance or the people around him.

The man has saved humanity twice and what has happened:
- Many of those closest to him have practically called him a traitor
- He's been stripped of his rank and grounded
- He's been stripped of his spectre status (this may depend on what save you import)
- His mental state has been called into question
- He has actually died

If I was Shepard, I would be tired, mentally exhausted and close to giving up. After all of the above I think it wouldn't make sense for Shepard to drop everything to ride off and save the world again

This is why I loved the intro. To me Shepard is conflicted. I get the impression he's not fully dedicated to putting it all on the line again.

That kid for me, reminded him of who and what he was fighting for, its what spurred him to get into that ship and take up the fight again. Its the old "Fighting for those who can't fight for themselves"

The words "You can't help me" for me were completely poignent. Some may call it cheesey, but to me Shepard hesitated for the first time in the series,

Looking around he may truely have believed he couldn't help anymore.

Shepard looks around again and the kid is gone, he later watches the kid die. For me the message is clear, the kid is a metaphor for humanity, if he dosen't act they will be destroyed. And thats what gets Shepard on that ship again

[Mims]

Take this as you will, but the child has his own artbook page devoted to him.

[Pacifien]

I immediately considered the kid an hallucination because my own mind couldn't handle the schlock otherwise.

[Excalceo]

Mims wrote...

Take this as you will, but the child has his own artbook page devoted to him.

Fascinating...

New theory!  Child is real in the opening sequence, actually dies.  Later in the game he manifests as Shepard's psychological tormentor, a constant reminder of those who are continuously dying back on Earth...

Child: Everyone is dying...
Shepard: I know! I'm doing everything I can to help!
Child: How? You couldn't help me...
(Fades away)

Modifié par Excalceo, 15 février 2012 - 05:27 .

[SolidBeast]

Excalceo wrote...

Mims wrote...

Take this as you will, but the child has his own artbook page devoted to him.

Fascinating...

New theory!  Child is real in the opening sequence, actually dies.  Later in the game he manifests as Shepard's psychological tormentor, a constant reminder of those who are continuously dying back on Earth...

Do not want. Liked the 1st version better. It's more mysterious and compelling.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 15 février 2012 - 05:25 .

[Nexis7]

or you know maybe it was a kid thrown in there to tug at your heartstrings
but yeah the whole "KID ISNT REAL" theory is interesting, wish it was that way.

[Excalceo]

SolidBeast wrote...

Excalceo wrote...

Mims wrote...

Take this as you will, but the child has his own artbook page devoted to him.

Fascinating...

New theory!  Child is real in the opening sequence, actually dies.  Later in the game he manifests as Shepard's psychological tormentor, a constant reminder of those who are continuously dying back on Earth...

Do not want. Liked the 1st version better. It's more mysterious and compelling.

Yeah, just trying to throw gasoline on the fires of speculation.

[Raanz]

I actually agree with this theory.
I would also propose that it is a metaphor of Shepard's life and/or possible future.

Boy "flying" a ship around, carefree, no worries....life is good.
All hell breaks lose. Boy trapped in a situation that seems hopeless but manages to "come through" to what appears to be a peaceful end.

Boy dies after doing what seemed to be impossible and "making it to safety".

It all makes perfect sense to me and would be a great piece of writing if it were true.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Child: Everyone is dying...
Shepard: I know! I'm doing everything I can to help!
Child: How? You couldn't help me...
*kicks Shepard in the crotch*
(Fades away)
Shepard: Man, I hate that kid.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 15 février 2012 - 06:11 .

[jmood88]

eTheBlack wrote...

AAAAAAA spoilers!!! Wanr us before posting them!!!!!

If you're really worried about spoilers, then why are you here at all?

[Excalceo]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Child: Everyone is dying...
Shepard: I know! I'm doing everything I can to help!
Child: How? You couldn't help me...
*kicks Shepard in the crotch*
(Fades away)
Shepard: Man, I hate that kid.

Well, I did say he would be a tormentor...

[Weskerr]

It has to be a hallucination because there are no children in the Mass Effect Universe!

[incinerator950]

Didn't I make this topic less then two months ago?

[rikusoraleon]

Three things occurred that made me think he was a hallucination: 1) no one but Shepard noticed the child's existence 2) how he quickly vanished even though Shepard turned around for just one second when he was in the vent and he made no noise 3) how no one helped him get on the Kodiak, like he wasn't even there.

Also notice that on the character creation you get a choice of who has died and all of the descriptions allude that Shepard is or may go through some kind of psychological trauma. The child could be part of Shepard's mental stress due to watching his allies die.

[nitefyre410]

Excalceo wrote...

Mims wrote...

Take this as you will, but the child has his own artbook page devoted to him.

Fascinating...

New theory!  Child is real in the opening sequence, actually dies.  Later in the game he manifests as Shepard's psychological tormentor, a constant reminder of those who are continuously dying back on Earth...

Child: Everyone is dying...
Shepard: I know! I'm doing everything I can to help!
Child: How? You couldn't help me...
(Fades away)

 

That is a rather good  idea unfortunatly its not going to happen... because  most people won't even get it.  

Add into that the child reacts differently based on the choices you make...

[ReallyRue]

I remember seeing this thread a while back when we saw it at E3. Wow, I feel so old...

[Berkilak]

I just don't see why he would manifest pre-attack if he were a hallucination.

[Toonmanpwnsu]

SolidBeast wrote...

No, that proves nothing. I get hallucinations when under severe stress and they look pretty damn realistic / blended into the environment.

Oh for ****s sake, no you don't. Liar liar pants on fire.