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[hwf]

On a tangent but still related to the PTSD mentioned by Excalceo - right after the hearing gets cut short Shepard gets slammed into the wall and is knocked out.

The vague whispers you get to hear then don't quite seem right.
Not to mention that the individual yelling "Shepard!" sounds like it's someone other then Admiral Anderson.

[incinerator950]

The Marker is still on Earth.

[Excalceo]

hwf wrote...

On a tangent but still related to the PTSD mentioned by Excalceo - right after the hearing gets cut short Shepard gets slammed into the wall and is knocked out.

The vague whispers you get to hear then don't quite seem right.
Not to mention that the individual yelling "Shepard!" sounds like it's someone other then Admiral Anderson.

Ah yes, "PTSD" ...we have since dismissed that claim.

Excalceo wrote...

..perhaps PTSD was the wrong condition to attribute Shepard's potential mental degredation to. Reaper indoctrination or some influence of the like might be a more viable cause.

But still, I'll have to listen for the whispers and voices you're talking about the next time I play the demo. Pretty sure the voice shouting "Shepard!" is in fact Anderson, Keith David's voice sounds drastically different when he yells.

Modifié par Excalceo, 15 février 2012 - 08:52 .

[DashRunner92]

I agree 100%, I was thinking the same thing. Especially with the "You can't save me" line

[Liec]

 Of course the kid's not real. Children are immortal in videogames 

[CaptainHydra]

If the kids isn't real then that means.................... THE CAKE IS A LIE!

[Maj.Pain007]

You give BW too much credit.

[Excalceo]

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

You give BW too much credit.

You give them too little.

[Excalceo]

Mei Mei wrote...

hwf wrote...

On a tangent but still related to the PTSD mentioned by Excalceo - right after the hearing gets cut short Shepard gets slammed into the wall and is knocked out.

The vague whispers you get to hear then don't quite seem right.
Not to mention that the individual yelling "Shepard!" sounds like it's someone other then Admiral Anderson.

Whoa... Let's talk Trauamtic brain injury! Yay! Shepard got his brain bounced. It didn't appear that he lost consciousness rather he got his "bell rung." Now that makes a difference. 

Not to say there couldn't be some swelling of the brain. That could happen but usually when you are dealing with a concussion or contusion. Hallucinations usually are not part of a concussion. If we are still talking about the child possibly being a hallucination. With a concussion we are usually dealing with headache, problems with memory, concentration, dizziness, nausea etc. 

Thus... No not really even with a brain bouncing maneuver that Sheaprd experienced.

Also the child was present before Shepard would have recieved the concussion, playing in the courtyard outside Shepard's window.

[TheKillerAngel]

This notion that every soldier who has seen a lot of combat also has PTSD is a little insulting.

[O3Hundred]

Eire Icon wrote...

My own take on the kid thing is this:

Judging from the demo it dosen't paricularly seem like Shepard has been treated very well by the Alliance or the people around him.

The man has saved humanity twice and what has happened:
- Many of those closest to him have practically called him a traitor
- He's been stripped of his rank and grounded
- He's been stripped of his spectre status (this may depend on what save you import)
- His mental state has been called into question
- He has actually died

If I was Shepard, I would be tired, mentally exhausted and close to giving up. After all of the above I think it wouldn't make sense for Shepard to drop everything to ride off and save the world again

This is why I loved the intro. To me Shepard is conflicted. I get the impression he's not fully dedicated to putting it all on the line again.

That kid for me, reminded him of who and what he was fighting for, its what spurred him to get into that ship and take up the fight again. Its the old "Fighting for those who can't fight for themselves"

The words "You can't help me" for me were completely poignent. Some may call it cheesey, but to me Shepard hesitated for the first time in the series,

Looking around he may truely have believed he couldn't help anymore.

Shepard looks around again and the kid is gone, he later watches the kid die. For me the message is clear, the kid is a metaphor for humanity, if he dosen't act they will be destroyed. And thats what gets Shepard on that ship again

Very good points. We don't know if this is indocrination or some kind of trauma, either way it reminds us that Shepard is a human too, not some kind of hero from Fantasy games that doesn't fear anything. The Kid could be an hallucination like the OP said, which would make sense because after all s/he has been through, it would only be right of his/her mental state to be messed up. If it's not hallucination, it can still highlight the point that Shepard can't save everyone, and that s/he has done more than anyone for the galactic civilizations. As much as I love Shepard, I would really like of him/her to rest already, may it be death or very early retirement. The guy/ gal definitely deserved it.

Off topic: When the music started playing, and we saw the kid climbing onto the Alliance ship, I felt like ripping my heart out. When looking at the Reapers I couldn't stop thinking about what if this was for real, and when you realize they just came. Its unknown if someone built them, how it would be possible to build such huge things, I just don't know what to say. I spend 10 minutes just staring at them. BioWare has definitely done their job with this trilogy.

[ColloquialAnachron]

  I think it's perfectly reasonable to attach any kind of symbolism you like to the child.  Whether he's "real" or an hallucination will only truly be important later in the story. 
 
  I see the child more as representing humanity and "earth" than Shepard or innocence:  In the beginning the kid is happy to just play with his toys and run around in his small world (the garden type thing), then things get rough and the child is scared and quite literally retreats into a smaller world...much like humanity began to pull back and isolate itself after ME2.  Shepard tries to convince the boy that he can save him (either choice you make this is true), if the kid will just listen to him, but the kid refuses, "You can't save me."  Rather than reach out to a group of strangers...people quite alien to him (symbolism symbolism), the child goes off in to the vents.  Finally the child gets to a ship, seeking out the familiar help of familiar humans, relying on established authority and groups (it's an Alliance ship afterall).  However, the child's fate is much like that of Earth's, instead of trying to convince the Council of the need to come together and form a united front, indeed instead of trying to do something the "first time," the child only reacted and sought help once the problem was already overwhelming, and thus, like humanity, was struck down.

   See?  Interpretations are fun!

[TekFanX]

I hope it's not something coming from a reaper-indoctrination.
Shepard sees the child again and again, then it has yellow eyes, shows itself as a reaper already linked to shepards mind through indoctrination-devices and shepard has to fight the reaper in his/her mind to kill the actual, material reapers.
That would be a total copy of the marker-connection in Dead Space 2. urgh...

[Berkilak]

Mei Mei wrote...

Berkilak wrote...
Not to mention that the heads of BioWare are medical doctors, and it would be quite disrespectful if such a supposed inconsistency slipped.

Considering that most medical doctors aka primary care providers/physicians are NOT trained in behavioral/mental health sciences, then they would most likely refer out for an appropriate diagnosis or risk misdiagnosing as they do not usually have a thorough enough background in order to diagnose with confidence a disorder such as PTSD. That kind of diagnosis comes from Psychiatrists, Psychologists and Social Workers. 

The whole supposition is based in inaccurate and faulty reasoning that some how a child could or could not be a hallucination and be erroneous attribution of it to Post Trauamtic Stress Disorder. 

Of course they wouldn't overtly diagnose it, but they do make themselves aware of symptoms.

[adam1923]

This is genius. Well done OP

[Doctalen]

I think it's quite possible. I mean why wouldn't they help a KID into the damn drop ship? That's worse than Leon not stopping sherry in RE3 when she walks right past him. Also OP are you who was talking about this in an xbox party I was in while we were doing coop?

[Excalceo]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

This notion that every soldier who has seen a lot of combat also has PTSD is a little insulting.

I think Shepard's life and military career kind of goes beyond just seeing a lot of combat.  Let's see…In addition to seeing a lot of combat he/she…

1) Has saved the galaxy on more than one occasion.

2) Is directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths, including but not limited to Ashley/Kaiden, any squadmates he/she lost during his/her assault on the Collector's Base, and 300,000 Batarians who were living in the Bahak system during the events of Arrival.

3) Potentially has seen his/her parents and/or entire squad slaughtered in front of him/her.  Both events of which he/she was the the only survivor (or at least one of few).

4) Has literally died and was brought back to life through the use of experimental technology and extensive cybernetic implants.

I don't doubt that some soldiers who have seen heavy combat return home completely fine, but I feel Shepard has "earned" a little psychological trauma at this point...

[FlashedMyDrive]

I'm pretty sure the kid is just a construct of Bioware's weak writing skills and a lame attempt at trying to get the player to "feel bad".

I'd love to be proved wrong, however.

[Aztag09]

After reading that, it kind of makes sense. Adds a new level of story to the mix.

[lumen11]

You may just have spoiled the best twist in the game for us...

Seriously, it doesn't seem too far fetched, and this could make for a really interesting story strand.

That said, I do have my doubts.

[Maj.Pain007]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

I'm pretty sure the kid is just a construct of Bioware's weak writing skills and a lame attempt at trying to get the player to "feel bad".

I'd love to be proved wrong, however.

This is the correct answer.

[Excalceo]

Doctalen wrote...

I think it's quite possible. I mean why wouldn't they help a KID into the damn drop ship? That's worse than Leon not stopping sherry in RE3 when she walks right past him. Also OP are you who was talking about this in an xbox party I was in while we were doing coop?

Haha, unlikely I'm afraid, I'm mainly a PC gamer.  Though as many have stated I'm not the only one who has thought of this theory before.

[Doctalen]

lumen11 wrote...

You may just have spoiled the best twist in the game for us...

Seriously, it doesn't seem too far fetched, and this could make for a really interesting story strand.

That said, I do have my doubts.

Idk how a theory is a spoiler. 

[Annihilator27]

Excalceo wrote...

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Here's something few have considered.  How do we know the child is real?  Bioware has stated several times that Shepard will be dealing with a little PTSD this time around, and the child could be a manifestation of that.  Think about it...

1) No one except Shepard acknowledges the child.  Anderson didn't see or hear him, the Alliance soldiers next to the evacuation shuttle didn't even glance at him, and no one else standing in the Normandy's loading hatch looks
at him either.

2) When Shepard looks away from the vent briefly and looks back, the child is gone.  Could be he just crawled away, could be he disappeared.

3) "You can't help me" = psychological projection of "You can't save everyone."

The only thing that would refute this is the child being present at the very beginning playing with the toy ship, but even then...Shepard's the only one that saw him.  I await your various replies, flames, and "Conspiricy Keanu" photos.

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To dispute #1 When Shepard opened the door Anderson went through,Shepard talked to the kid, At some point Anderson came back to  get Shepard(Was still by the door,From that angle he wouldnt be able to see the kid.)When Shepard turned around the kid was gone.Either the kid went back through the vents or Shepard was seeing things.