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[Fidget6]

android654 wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

I heard someone say this several months ago. I thought it was stupid then, and nothing has changed.

Though, someone said it was a little girl when you play femshep. So it might still be true.

I played as femshep and its the same little blond boy.

Yeah, the theory that it's supposed to be Shepard as a kid is out the window. That would have been kind of stupid anyway imo.

[SnakeSNMF]

You forgot to mention the part where he was playing with the Normandy at the beginning.

"Projection" that hsi fate is in the hand of the people for the case?

[lumen11]

Excalceo wrote...

lumen11 wrote...

Doctalen wrote...

lumen11 wrote...

You may just have spoiled the best twist in the game for us...

Seriously, it doesn't seem too far fetched, and this could make for a really interesting story strand.

That said, I do have my doubts.

Idk how a theory is a spoiler. 

Oh, I'm not really blaming anyone, and I was exagerating a little bit.

But you will agree with me that a theory, if proven true, can spoil the surprise of certain twists.

I dunno, I'll be pretty surprised if it turns out to be true.  If only because I called it ahead of time, everyone deserves a Stephen Colbert-esque "I CALLED IT!" moment at some point in their lives

Well, when the time comes, we'll know whose door to knock down.

[robarcool]

This has been discussed to death since the first leak. I think it was confirmed somewhere that the kid is real.

[K_Tabris]

Excalceo wrote...

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Here's something few have considered.  How do we know the child is real?  Bioware has stated several times that Shepard will be dealing with a little PTSD this time around, and the child could be a manifestation of that.  Think about it...

1) No one except Shepard acknowledges the child.  Anderson didn't see or hear him, the Alliance soldiers next to the evacuation shuttle didn't even glance at him, and no one else standing in the Normandy's loading hatch looks
at him either.

2) When Shepard looks away from the vent briefly and looks back, the child is gone.  Could be he just crawled away, could be he disappeared.

3) "You can't help me" = psychological projection of "You can't save everyone."

The only thing that would refute this is the child being present at the very beginning playing with the toy ship, but even then...Shepard's the only one that saw him.  I await your various replies, flames, and "Conspiricy Keanu" photos.

: end sequence

You know, anyone who plays a Colonist/Sole Srvivor, that Shepard never not had PTSD.  Just sayin'

[KBomb]

I think it’s trying to see Jesus in a piece of toast. The kid is real. I can’t believe so many people are basing this hallucination theory  on the fact that Anderson couldn’t see him, he told Shepard “You can’t save me..” and the fact no one helped him on the shuttle.
　

1. Anderson didn’t see him because he was already in the next room by the time Shepard heard the kid in the vent. The kid never came out of the vent, so Anderson re-entering the room would have still made him invisible to his eye.

2. “You can’t save me..” This doesn’t make sense, but neither did the fact that Vega seemed surprised that Ash/Kaidan knew Shepard. I mean, I know he is the new guy, but it wouldn’t be top secret that Ash/Kaidan was with Shepard in the beginning. Obviously Vega knows Ash/Kaidan and he knows Shepard and he never could put two and two together? He just now understands they know each other? Really. Not to mention the dialog between Anderson and Shepard. I am paraphrasing but it went something like this:

Anderson: Something big is coming!
Shepard: The reapers?
Anderson: We don’t know.
Shepard: It’s the reapers!

3. No one helped the kid on the shuttle because they were too busy watching the reaper that was practically on top of them. As soon as the kid was onboard, they closed the shuttle door and knocked on it to signal they could leave. If no one saw the kid, why wait until he was in to close the door? Why not close the door as soon as the last couple was in?

Why are so many people concerned that no one helped an uninjured kid into a shuttle that was no more than a couple of feet from him?

Modifié par KBomb, 16 février 2012 - 12:38 .

[daftPirate]

KBomb wrote...


I think it’s trying to see Jesus in a piece of toast. The kid is real. I can’t believe so many people are basing this hallucination theory  on the fact that Anderson couldn’t see him, he told Shepard “You can’t save me..” and the fact no one helped him on the shuttle.
　

1. Anderson didn’t see him because he was already in the next room by the time Shepard heard the kid in the vent. The kid never came out of the vent, so Anderson re-entering the room would have still made him invisible to his eye.

2. “You can’t save me..” This doesn’t make sense, but neither did the fact that Vega seemed surprised that Ash/Kaidan knew Shepard. I mean, I know he is the new guy, but it wouldn’t be top secret that Ash/Kaidan was with Shepard in the beginning. Obviously Vega knows Ash/Kaidan and he knows Shepard and he never could put two and two together? He just now understands they know each other? Really. Not to mention the dialog between Anderson and Shepard. I am paraphrasing but it went something like this:

Anderson: Something big is coming!
Shepard: The reapers?
Anderson: We don’t know.
Shepard: It’s the reapers!

3. No one helped the kid on the shuttle because they were too busy watching the reaper that was practically on top of them. As soon as the kid was onboard, they closed the shuttle door and knocked on it to signal they could leave. If no one saw the kid, why wait until he was in to close the door? Why not close the door as soon as the last couple was in?

Why are so many people concerned that no one helped an uninjured kid into a shuttle that was no more than a couple of feet from him?

Well, it could be either way, it's just another way to look at it. And really, either way, isn't a much better context for a line like "You can't help me?" Just seems reaaaaly cheesy otherwise.

[2484Stryker]

Wow...could it be...that the intro was better than it was? Actually this makes a whole lot of sense...

[demon209]

there are kids in the game look at another trailer a little girl in the field of flowers and a reaper above

[KBomb]

2484Stryker wrote...

Wow...could it be...that the intro was better than it was? Actually this makes a whole lot of sense...

Not really.

[nevar00]

I think you're looking far too into what was simply a really cheap attempt to get an emotional response (actually I'd say the same thing for the entire Earth invasion, but whatever).

[Maria Caliban]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Yes, it is possible but doesn't Occam say that the simpler explanation (there was a child) is preferable to an convoluted one (Shepard is hallucinating?)

Occam's Razor refers to situations in real life.

ME3 was written by the same people who made Reapers abduct hundreds of thousands of humans so they could melt them into paste, squirt the paste into a giant terminator robot thing, which then acquires some value of humanness from the process, and meld that giant robot thing into an insectile space ship/carapace. Are these writers who think in simple explanations?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 février 2012 - 01:24 .

[Gemini1179]

If the little boy starts showing up to Shepard in various parts of the game later on, then it might have been a brilliant idea. That said, it was then a TERRIBLE idea to put it in the demo.

[JedTed]

I had a feeling that the kid in the vent wasn't real when he mysteriously disapears. Also why would he back away from someone like Shepard who is likely his hero.

[rft]

Not sure if anyone mentioned it (not in the mood to go through 7 pages of replies), but a Reaper compleatly decimated the building before Shepard and Anderson entered. I doubt the kid could survive that, even if he was hiding in the vents.

[KBomb]

JedTed wrote...

I had a feeling that the kid in the vent wasn't real when he mysteriously disapears. Also why would he back away from someone like Shepard who is likely his hero.

Maybe because he didn’t know Shepard was the hero everyone else knew. Maybe he thought Shepard was just another soldier. Maybe he had seen dozens of soldiers already die and figured if they couldn’t save themselves, how could they save him?

Also, he doesn’t mysteriously disappear. He was at the bend of the vent, it wouldn’t have been hard for him to duck around the corner in an instant when Shepard was distracted by Anderson.

[dbozbrown]

All I gotta say is some people on BSN need to develop critical thinking skills.

[VolusvsReaper]

Isaac Clarke?

[Gemini1179]

KBomb wrote...

Maybe because he didn’t know Shepard was the hero everyone else knew. Maybe he thought Shepard was just another soldier. Maybe he had seen dozens of soldiers already die and figured if they couldn’t save themselves, how could they save him?

Also, he doesn’t mysteriously disappear. He was at the bend of the vent, it wouldn’t have been hard for him to duck around the corner in an instant when Shepard was distracted by Anderson.

I've never encountered a kid who didn't turn to an adult when even the slightest traumatic event occurred. That basic child psychology 101. The child's actions, while atypical and improbable, are not impossible, however.

[KBomb]

Gemini1179 wrote...

I've never encountered a kid who didn't turn to an adult when even the slightest traumatic event occurred. That basic child psychology 101. The child's actions, while atypical and improbable, are not impossible, however.

Aliens. Newt ran like hell from Ripley and the soldiers. If a child has found a relative state of safety, they may not be eager to leave that comfort zone, or to take a chance. If he had seen soldiers helping other people, and the soldiers and those people died--that would leave an impression.

[Mike 9987]

If you are a female shep, would the child not be female if the child is a fragment of shep's past? If you are a female shep, the child is still male.

[mrbauxjangles]

 i thought this from the start if it is true then it is a great thing bioware did if they didn't mean for it then the kids lines sucked.

[Phoenix_Fyre]

Interesting. Game-wise the kid is probably real, but I'd personally love for Shep to begin to suffer some sort of mental breakdown

I mean... think about it.... even strong minds have a limit

[Biotic Sage]

I don't know why Shepard would need to imagine a symbol of innocents dying when there are a bunch of real innocents dying all around him, like all of those adults in the shuttle. Are their lives not as important as children's? That's kind of what Bioware would be implying if the child ended up being a hallucination throughout the game.