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[DenisN]

Unbannable wrote...

I almost laughed when he said Bioware takes feedback seriously. How many threads have there been requesting controller support for Bioware's PC games, and yet we still don't have it?

Things like that are especially mind boggling because practically every other multiplatform game always has controller support.

I could have sworn mass effect for PC at least worked with one... Some time when I'm not lazy. I will reach forward two feet and connect my xbox wifi thing to my laptop and test it.

[Blitzkrieg0811]

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

[Tommyspa]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

Going to go out on a limb (a very thick and obvious one) that you're the type of person BioWare would choose to ignore.

[Elhanan]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

In your opinion; others may differ like mine:
 
* I prefer the inclusive Skills in DA2, though I would like more of them. 

* Enjoyed the full VO; would like to see more exact dialogue choices.

* Prefer the new Spell tiers, though I would like to see combo's return.

Include more freedom in CC (ie; allowing for Mages to use weapons, Warriors to utilize bows, and Rogues to wear heavy armor, etc), more room for exploration, return the Death Blows, screenshots, and other nifty stuff from DAO, and this would please me greatly.

[force192]

Tommyspa wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

Going to go out on a limb (a very thick and obvious one) that you're the type of person BioWare would choose to ignore.

I believe
you are correct. 

I think that if they find a balance between DA:O's and DA2's
combat, (I liked the combat in DA2 more then DA:O, I just think it needed a little more work) and then gave use more unique dungeons, and a more focused story line, DA3
will be a great game.  At lease for me.

[Morroian]

eroeru wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Jestina wrote...

If they actually listened to fans, then DA2 would have never been released. By now they've probably already chased off the majority of DA fans with that atrocity.

Yet you like KOA, go figure.

KOA is NOT DA2. For one thing, iff DA2 has similar aims, it does far worse, x 10. 

I don't think they have similar aims I do think KOA has a number of features that people generally hated in DA2 plus it has worse writing.

[AshedMan]

Morroian wrote...

I don't think they have similar aims I do think KOA has a number of features that people generally hated in DA2 plus it has worse writing.

You don't see a difference in DA2 being a sequel that drastically changed from the original and KOA being a completely fresh, new IP from a new studio?  There are no prior esxpectations for KOA.  

[Morroian]

AshedMan wrote...

Morroian wrote...

I don't think they have similar aims I do think KOA has a number of features that people generally hated in DA2 plus it has worse writing.

You don't see a difference in DA2 being a sequel that drastically changed from the original and KOA being a completely fresh, new IP from a new studio?  There are no prior esxpectations for KOA.  

By that argument DA2 is not necessarily a bad game, people just dislike it because it wasn't what they expected.

Modifié par Morroian, 16 février 2012 - 06:55 .

[AshedMan]

Morroian wrote...
By that argument DA2 is not necessarily a bad game, people just dislike it because it wasn't what they expected.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the case with a LOT of the people who rag on it.  

[chunkyman]

AshedMan wrote...

Morroian wrote...
By that argument DA2 is not necessarily a bad game, people just dislike it because it wasn't what they expected.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the case with a LOT of the people who rag on it.  

Maybe for some, but I genuinely found the game to be boring and not fun. 

[slimgrin]

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

[The Jackal]

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

Pretty much this,

I don't know why they thought bringing the wheel into this game was an amazing idea. It actually most likely took up more time and resoucres to get the actor to read the several lines and to pay him. But Why!, we were perfectly fine the way Orgins was. We were addicted to it for over a year, eagerly buying up the DLC month after month.

I know there were people who complained! "Too easy, make combat more vital" their are people who complain in evey game. I didn't think for a sec they would take them seriously and shift the way Orgin's was created. It was a plain "Bait and Switch" in my eyes. They gave us very vauge details about the game and a demo that only showed getting the best female compainon.

They skipped out, their were two female companions in DA2 and their quest line's were very short. They failed to mention a bunch of things. Of course people would expect more of Orgins in DA2. Were we supposed assume it was just going to be Dragon Age, but another chapter. 

Well yes, some of us expected to meet Sten again or even come across Morrgian and her infamous storyline. She was by far the most popular person yet they didn't and the proof is in the review's. It wasn't as good as orgin's according to the review's no badly how much we wanted it to be.

I just can't believe I waited so long for DA2 and then only to discover, only one of our companion's from the past would show up and it would be at the very end, we devloped a strong emotional attachment to the ones we had. DA2 map's, we re-used over, the SL's were very short and most of the game was held in DLC.

I think the majority has asked for more orgins. I don't know who the "new players" are. But I heard about Dragon Age, the day it came out. I always wanted Orgins. I didn't care about the combat if the storyline sucked. 

Modifié par JasonRocker, 16 février 2012 - 07:30 .

[Wentletrap]

I'm worried about DA3 because I know they won't have as much dev. time to spend on it as DAO.

There were so many little touches in DAO that fleshed out the world (the loot descriptions, the companion selection screen) which were missing in DA2, and sucked the life out of DA2 for me. I don't know if they'll have time to recapture that feel for DA3. I hope so.

Eh, I'd be happy with another epic Ostagar or Landsmeet type moment. And more than a few alleys for my crew to run around in.

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

I don't doubt they can. I doubt that EA will let them do it. Everything now is about saving development time, apparently.

ME3 cut some basic features that ME1 and ME2 had and they claim it is because of "memory" whatever? It's the same engine as ME2, is it not? And it has really screwed up some other basic features like the running animation. I will still buy it as I will buy DA3 when/if it comes out but I wouldn't expect improvements on it. On the contraire.

And for the record, DA2 is not a bad game. Problem is that Origins is way superior in every sense. Even KoA is better than DA2. At least we can see KoA's devs invested a lot of caring for their game.

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 16 février 2012 - 08:20 .

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

Elhanan wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

In your opinion; others may differ like mine:
 
* I prefer the inclusive Skills in DA2, though I would like more of them. 

* Enjoyed the full VO; would like to see more exact dialogue choices.

* Prefer the new Spell tiers, though I would like to see combo's return.

Include more freedom in CC (ie; allowing for Mages to use weapons, Warriors to utilize bows, and Rogues to wear heavy armor, etc), more room for exploration, return the Death Blows, screenshots, and other nifty stuff from DAO, and this would please me greatly.

Aye, I agree with this. As one of the previous posters mentioned, a mjaority of the people posting here hated it because it was different from DA:O and they disliked it so much that they fail to see some of the positive aspects of DA2.

[turian councilor Knockout]

Meh i'm rather wait for TW 3 but don't get it wrong i hope they'll nail DA 3 just have too see it before i believe it.

[Xewaka]

slimgrin wrote...
I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

People should stop using realistic when they mean verisimilar. And gritty is not necessarily verisimilar.

[Morroian]

JasonRocker wrote...

I don't know why they thought bringing the wheel into this game was an amazing idea. It actually most likely took up more time and resoucres to get the actor to read the several lines and to pay him. But Why!, we were perfectly fine the way Orgins was. We were addicted to it for over a year, eagerly buying up the DLC month after month.

DLC didn't come out month after month and the DAO DLC was invariably horrible.

As for why they made the changes they made, the answers are on the forum you just have to look back since before the game was released.

[Fraevar]

The statement by Dr. Ray was indeed from last August, so it's still influenced by marketing speak. You'll notice that there's very little talk of DA2 these days from anyone at BioWare outside the forums. I will not attempt to ascertain their motivations for this, but I do think that the people who actually have to work on the Dragon Age franchise do not find the polarizing response to DA2 "awesome" at all. I'd guess it makes implementing or iterating on features harder when even the inclusion/design of [feature X] automatically alienates [customer base Y].

It's hard to work with that when the issue is something like the combat design where one half of the customer base wants DA2's action/over the top style and the other half flat-out rejects it and want DA:O's more strategic style brought back.

This isn't like Mass Effect where people kept telling them to iterate on the third-person shooter combat, this is some customers wanting a full-on scrap of DA2's combat. Anything less than that and they won't want anything to do with series if the responses post-launch are any indication.

I know which one I personally prefer, without outright hating the other even if I find it less enjoyable, both in terms of gameplay or world building consistency and it's not the one with excessive backflipping, no armor or gore explosions every 5 seconds.

Basically the Dragon Age team are damned if they do, damned if they don't here. Sad it had to come to that, but let's leave the academic discussion of how we got to this stage for another time, yes?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I suggest recapturing NWN franchise license and make the Neverwinter Nights 3. It will be more exciting than Dragon Age 3.
Baldur's Gate III will work great as well.

[Lotion Soronarr]

JohnEpler wrote...

Remember rule #2, folks. Posting a meme image is not the same as contributing to a discussion.

BioWare, Y U SUCK FUN OUT OF INTERNETS?

[Chromie]

android654 wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

I hate to be a pessimist, but I'm betting DA3 will be 90% DA2 with a few features thrown back in so that marketing can say it's more appealing to fans of DA:O.

After what I've seen from ME3's script, it seems that BW has taken the step to be a generic dev team and focus on gameplay and ignore lore and story. Looks like Bethtesda is RPG king yet again.

Now let's not forget about Obsidian and CDProjekt. Let's see if this whole kickstarter plan with Avellone does happen. Imagine an old school rpg with better writing then well anything Bioware has done in recent memory (including Old Republic).

[android654]

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

Outside of The Witcher 2, what would you recommend to replace Dragon Age if they can't resurrect it?

[HoonDing]

This just in: BioWare has always been a generic dev team.