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[fchopin]

android654 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

Outside of The Witcher 2, what would you recommend to replace Dragon Age if they can't resurrect it?

There is also Risen 2 which should be coming out in May i think and it could very easily be best RPG of 2012 for me.

[Chanegade]

Well if they do take feedback seriously, I guess I'll say what I want for the next Dragon Age game.

First off, the combat system in DA:O was ten times better than the one in Dragon Age 2. Go back to the original combat style.

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. This is something that you don't see a lot in RPGs and it is one of the reasons why Dragon Age: Origins in my favorite single player game ever.

In DA 2 on the other hand, you fight way too many enemies, mages always used the same spells, and the non lethal abilities like Cone of Cold from the first game just became another lethal spell because most of the foes have little health.
The combat in DA2 was fun at first but after a while it became boring and redundant.


Second, I read an article not too long ago that said "Bioware is taking hints from Skyrim for the next Dragon Age" I'm sorry but Dragon Age is not an exploration game. I can't stress that enough.
Skyrim is about unlimited freedom but in exchaange there are no consequences in the player's actions.
I don't want to be that guy that says how much he loves CDProject but if you're going to take hints from any game, it should be the Witcher 2. The Witcher 2 is all about consequences and story. Every dicision I make in that game actually affects the story and the world.  When I was playing the Witcher 2, all I could think was "God, I wish Bioware did this"

Finally,  even though I didn't like Dragon Age 2, there are some things Bioware did right in that game.
I like the diologe wheel and Hawke. Hawke is funny! It's not Dragon Age without sarcastic humor.
I also liked some of the characters. Not as good as DA:O but still pretty good.
The art design was unique.

[android654]

fchopin wrote...

android654 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

Outside of The Witcher 2, what would you recommend to replace Dragon Age if they can't resurrect it?

There is also Risen 2 which should be coming out in May i think and it could very easily be best RPG of 2012 for me.

I still haven't played the first one, and I did check it out, but had a lot of reservation. Is it any good?

[fchopin]

android654 wrote...

I still haven't played the first one, and I did check it out, but had a lot of reservation. Is it any good?

Risen is a very good game, the ending is not good but it’s not as bad as DA2 ending. Combat is very difficult if you are interested in playing the game so i am warning you now so you know what to expect.
 
Risen 2 is a sequel but looks like a completely different game but i have hopes that it will resemble the first game a little.

[DragonRageGT]

fchopin wrote...

android654 wrote...

I still haven't played the first one, and I did check it out, but had a lot of reservation. Is it any good?

Risen is a very good game, the ending is not good but it’s not as bad as DA2 ending. Combat is very difficult if you are interested in playing the game so i am warning you now so you know what to expect.
 
Risen 2 is a sequel but looks like a completely different game but i have hopes that it will resemble the first game a little.

Risen has one of the best chapter 1 (around 25 hours if you explore it fully) and probably chapter 2 (another 10 hours) of any game I've played. The chapters 3 and 4 (another 10 hrs) gets linear and rushed but that's prolly because devs ran out of funds and had to deliver the game on time to the publisher. They are is still enjoyable but given what we can see in 1&2, they could have been so much more.

I hope that Deep Silver has allowed the Piranhas to avoid that same "rushing to finish it" with Risen 2.

[bEVEsthda]

Actually, I never wanted DA2 to be like DA:O. I wanted DA2 to be more like Baldur's Gate. And that's what I want from DA3 too, I guess.

[AlanC9]

Chanegade wrote...

Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

Always? You've got to be kidding. Most battles I played my PC and left all the companions running on their tactics slots

[The Jackal]

I suppose people have just different personal preferences. I might be crazy but i thought the orginal dragon age is what made DA2 possible because it was such a great hit. I am really going to play DA orgins over again, and I can't find a copy in my town so I'm going to order the ultmiate edition. They did have DA2 but I wasn't really interested in that to be honest.

I found the entire DA Orgins plot to be more compelling and interesting then DA2. I suppose some people felt the combat was more important and art in DA2. I enjoyed learning all about my compainions, doing their missions. I enjoyed getting affection up with each of them by talking to them. I never really cared about how the combat looked. If I did, I would play final fantasy.

The DLC wasn't horrible imo to Orgins. In fact I recall one month bIoware missed the DLC for "return to orgasar" think it was called and this fourm's exploded in anger.Then in DA2 it was like playing a completely different game. We got the Mass Effect wheel, the boss fight's were changed. I suppose that's why DA2 admittely got so many mixed review's and Orgin's was a straight shot victory.

[NamiraWilhelm]

John Epler = win.

[Eternal Phoenix]

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Bethesda? Heh.

Their games have evolved in a direction that has been consistent with what the ip's were.

Wasn't Skyrim more dumbed down than Oblivion?

As AlanC9 said:

Heh.

I mean Skyrim and Oblivion didn't even have branching choices with consequences. The story was linear. Dialogue is laughable and the characters don't have the same depth as Bioware characters. Dragon Age 2 was flawed but at least it had some good characters.

Perhaps you should only judge when you play Mass Effect 3. Dragon Age 2 may have been more streamlined but Mass Effect 3 looks like it's going to contain deep customization and I'm pretty sure the story will be just as epic as the story in the past two.

Bethesda can create a million dragons who go about living their daily lives but this will never change anything.

Take Skyrim's open world away from it and it's got nothing going for it. Dragon's Dogma is going to kill Skyrim anyway once it releases in May (the world is bigger, the exploration is better, the world feels move alive as you actually see dust blowing about) but let's be honest, Dark Souls was the one that put Skyrim in hospital last year and DD is just going to finish the job.

I know many enjoy games made by Bethesda but don't call them the King of RPG's. You don't even see people talking about Martin Septim anymore because he was such a crap character. Loghain from Origins is still being talked about as is Saren from ME1.

Let's not forget Valen Shadowbreath from NWN.

I can't even remember any characters from Morrowind because they were all generic and said pretty much the same thing:

"OUTLANDER. Thou art not welcome here! Go away!"

Seems Bethesda is still going the route of copy and pasted NPC's because all the guards in Skyrim talk about how they were adventurers once before they took an arrow up the ass.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 16 février 2012 - 07:47 .

[android654]

Elton John is dead wrote...

android654 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Bethesda? Heh.

Their games have evolved in a direction that has been consistent with what the ip's were.

Wasn't Skyrim more dumbed down than Oblivion?

As AlanC9 said:

Heh.

I mean Skyrim and Oblivion didn't even have branching choices with consequences. The story was linear. Dialogue is laughable and the characters don't have the same depth as Bioware characters. Dragon Age 2 was flawed but at least it had some good characters.

Perhaps you should only judge when you play Mass Effect 3. Dragon Age 2 may have been more streamlined but Mass Effect 3 looks like it's going to contain deep customization and I'm pretty sure the story will be just as epic as the story in the past two.

Bethesda can create a million dragons who go about living their daily lives but this will never change anything.

Take Skyrim's open world away from it and it's got nothing going for it. Dragon's Dogma is going to kill Skyrim anyway once it releases in May (the world is bigger, the exploration is better, the world feels move alive as you actually see dust blowing about) but let's be honest, Dark Souls was the one that put Skyrim in hospital last year and DD is just going to finish the story.

I know many enjoy games made by Bethesda but don't call them the King of RPG's. You don't even see people talking about Martin Septim anymore because he was such a crap character. Loghain from Origins is still being talked about as it Saren from ME1.

Let's not forget Valen Shadowbreath from NWN.

I can't even remember any characters from Morrowind because they were all generic and said pretty much the same thing:

"OUTLANDER. Thou art not welcome here! Go away!"

Seems Bethesda is still going the route of copy and pasted NPC's because all the guards in Skyrim talk about how they were adventurers once before they took an arrow up the ass.

Did the acts in DAO amount to anything other than a cameo in DA2? No they didn't.

The point I was making was that the transition fro Oblivion to Skyrim was more consistent, they improved mechanics and landscapes, and added in many things their fans wanted. This resulted in a positive reception that people still praise months after release.

DA2 was connected in terms of story to the events in DAO, but the games were both essentially stand alone. With the exception of improved fighting mechanics and a voiced protagonist, there were no improvements that fans really praised in high numbers. Immediately after its release it was criticized negatively and it still is almost a year later.

In terms of reception, one was received very well and the other was DA2.

[Morroian]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Take Skyrim's open world away from it and it's got nothing going for it. Dragon's Dogma is going to kill Skyrim anyway once it releases in May (the world is bigger, the exploration is better, the world feels move alive as you actually see dust blowing about) but let's be honest, 

That was said about KOA and ended up being wrong.

[Morroian]

Chanegade wrote...

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

This doesn't resemble the DAO I played which ended up being a cakewalk on nightmare.

[Chromie]

Morroian wrote...

Chanegade wrote...

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

This doesn't resemble the DAO I played which ended up being a cakewalk on nightmare.

Origins's Nightmare difficulty is a joke. Dragon Age 2 Nightmare wasn't any better just a lot of health bloating. I'd really like a real challenge not just more health and resistances. How about using a cross class combo on me?

[Jozape]

Dragon Age: Origins didn't really require you to think of new tactics or strategies. Once I found one set of tactics that worked, that's what I used for the overwhelming majority of encounters.

[KnightofPhoenix]

JasonRocker wrote...

“It’s interesting because the first reviews – the number of the
reviews was also very polarised, awesomely so. Lots of 90+ reviews, we
also got fans that I think in some cases who were expecting more Dragon
Age: Origins, and there was a misalignment of expectation there,” says
Dr Ray.
 

Yea here we go. The same old "people were expecting Origins" crap.

I was one of the most ardent defenders of DA2 pre-release precisely because I thought they were shifting formulas and taking the RPG genre beyond the high fantasy bed time stories that we've heard a million times before. I was not expecting Origins, I was expecting a *good story*, a mature complex grounded story that doesn't insult my intelligence. Oh and I was expecting the "Rise to Power" that never happened.

Instead I had to suffer through what I believe to be the worst and most ridiculous story in any RPG I've ever played. One that I can only now sumarize as a joke.

This has nothing to do with Origins. Just like expecting even decent level and combat design and not waves every freakin second, different environments, a city that looks and feels alive...etc has nothing to do with "expecting Origins" crap.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 16 février 2012 - 08:25 .

[bEVEsthda]

Morroian wrote...

Chanegade wrote...

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

This doesn't resemble the DAO I played which ended up being a cakewalk on nightmare.

Well, anything is possible because DA:O had many faces. Did you try PC version unpatched? 1.01 patch made PC-DA:O much easier.

[Elhanan]

Then again, I enjoyed the story from DA2; much more so than some other titles. What I found wanting was the freedom in CC that was in DAO and other games. Let me play my own version of a class rather than some restricted type, and I am more apt to be smiling at end game.

I do not want more origins, but would enjoy playing other races besides Human.

[FieryDove]

bEVEsthda wrote...


Well, anything is possible because DA:O had many faces. Did you try PC version unpatched? 1.01 patch made PC-DA:O much easier.

This is true. I stayed unpatched until awakening made me. sigh

[Chromie]

fchopin wrote...

android654 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

Outside of The Witcher 2, what would you recommend to replace Dragon Age if they can't resurrect it?

There is also Risen 2 which should be coming out in May i think and it could very easily be best RPG of 2012 for me.

Risen 2 makes me giddly.

[Dragoonlordz]

JohnEpler wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

It was a creative risk, giving the player access to an AC-130 gunship in DA2, but I felt it lent the Qunari siege a certain gravitas that it might have otherwise lacked. Although I think we're all willing to admit that, in retrospect, arming the mages with MP5s and flashbangs might have been a little much - and if we had to do it again, I doubt we'd take away the party and turn the whole thing into a first person shooter.

I'm not a fan of DA2 by any stretch of the imagination, I'm not a die hard hater of it either so I'm not going to get into the crux of your ****** for tat. But touché on that reply... That was funny. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 février 2012 - 10:34 .

[bEVEsthda]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

It was a creative risk, giving the player access to an AC-130 gunship in DA2, but I felt it lent the Qunari siege a certain gravitas that it might have otherwise lacked. Although I think we're all willing to admit that, in retrospect, arming the mages with MP5s and flashbangs might have been a little much - and if we had to do it again, I doubt we'd take away the party and turn the whole thing into a first person shooter.

I'm not a fan of DA2 by any stretch of the imagination, I'm not a die hard hater of it either so I'm not going to get into the crux of your ****** for tat. But touché on that reply... That was funny. 

Well, it would have been funny, if not for the highly disturbing, creeping thoughts on how awesome that would have been...

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

fchopin wrote...
Risen is a very good game, the ending is not good but it’s not as bad as DA2 ending. Combat is very difficult if you are interested in playing the game so i am warning you now so you know what to expect.
 
Risen 2 is a sequel but looks like a completely different game but i have hopes that it will resemble the first game a little.

I beg to differ
Risen was terrible, shres the same problems as Two Worlds which was also mediocre.
I did play Risen and I didn't even finish the first Chapter, that's how uninteresting I found it to be(especially that forgettable plot).

[Jestina]

Risen seemed okay but I didn't care much for the combat mechanics. If you happened to stumble into an area where the enemies are too strong, instant death and there is no indicator of how powerful something is.

Skyrim just seemed too much like Oblivion to me...and I hate the awful first person, flailing around combat system.

The RPG landscape is pretty barren right now and the future is not looking any better.

Modifié par Jestina, 16 février 2012 - 11:53 .