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[Addai]

Elton John is dead wrote...
I know many enjoy games made by Bethesda but don't call them the King of RPG's. You don't even see people talking about Martin Septim anymore because he was such a crap character.

I don't need to talk about Martin Septim.  Other than Lucien Lachance and Sheogorath, my Oblivion PCs are what are most memorable to me.  That is what Bethesda games are designed for.

Hawke is memorable, to be sure- but not in a good way.

[android654]

Elton John is dead wrote...
I know many enjoy games made by Bethesda but don't call them the King of RPG's.

They have clearly secured a place higher on the list than Bioware in the past 2 years.

[slimgrin]

android654 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

Outside of The Witcher 2, what would you recommend to replace Dragon Age if they can't resurrect it?

A new IP that isn't high fantasy.

[TJPags]

Tommyspa wrote...

Blitzkrieg0811 wrote...

I don't see how they can claim it will be the best of both games when DA2 was inferior in literally every single way.

Going to go out on a limb (a very thick and obvious one) that you're the type of person BioWare would choose to ignore.

Yup - why should BW listen to people who didn't like DA2?  Clearly, such people are wrong.

Oh, sorry - I mean, such people had "a misalignment of expectation".

[bmwcrazy]

JohnEpler wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

It was a creative risk, giving the player access to an AC-130 gunship in DA2, but I felt it lent the Qunari siege a certain gravitas that it might have otherwise lacked. Although I think we're all willing to admit that, in retrospect, arming the mages with MP5s and flashbangs might have been a little much - and if we had to do it again, I doubt we'd take away the party and turn the whole thing into a first person shooter.

I wasn't making a reference to DA2, but since you've mentioned it, I guess you guys REALLY did get many feedback about DA2 vs Call of Duty games from the fans. 

[bmwcrazy]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

Lolololol
DA2 was nothing compared or will be a Call of Duty game.

Why's everyone thinking I was talking about DA2? 

[bmwcrazy]

Mr.House wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

DA2 was nothing like Call of Duty.

I guess you guys are missing the point of the joke. 

[Chromie]

bmwcrazy wrote...

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

Lolololol
DA2 was nothing compared or will be a Call of Duty game.

Why's everyone thinking I was talking about DA2? 

Deep down they know it's just as bad.

[bmwcrazy]

HiroVoid wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

bmwcrazy wrote...

It's going to be another Call of Duty style game.

DA2 was nothing like Call of Duty.

When people say that, they usually mean a quck game made to capitalize on its predecessor's success rather than putting full effort and time into making it work very well.  Obviously though, they can't do this with DA3 since unlike Call of Duty, it doesn't have the popularity, and it would run the franchise into the ground.

At least ONE person got the joke. 

Turning the Dragon Age franchise into a Call of Duty style first person shooter is one way to make it more accessible to the new fans. 

Modifié par bmwcrazy, 17 février 2012 - 01:23 .

[Nashiktal]

Is it bad that I am actually looking forward to DA3 because of the mistakes made in DA2? I feel that bioware will do better this time, much better.

I have more worries about Mass Effect than I do about DA2. Which strikes me wierd, not that I think about it.

[bmwcrazy]

Nashiktal wrote...

Is it bad that I am actually looking forward to DA3 because of the mistakes made in DA2? I feel that bioware will do better this time, much better.

I have more worries about Mass Effect than I do about DA2. Which strikes me wierd, not that I think about it.

I don't think it matters at this point. 

Fans will still buy DA3 regardless of whether or not they liked DA2. If you're talking about preordering DA3, that's another story.

[Nashiktal]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Is it bad that I am actually looking forward to DA3 because of the mistakes made in DA2? I feel that bioware will do better this time, much better.

I have more worries about Mass Effect than I do about DA2. Which strikes me wierd, not that I think about it.

I don't think it matters at this point. 

Fans will still buy DA3 regardless of whether or not they liked DA2. If you're talking about preordering DA3, that's another story.

Nah I don't think i'll preorder. The only reason to really preorder anymore is DLC, and that doesn't justify a game that isn't worth 60+ usd. If bioware pulls through with DA3, my preorder confidence will probably be restored. Only time will tell though.

[android654]

bmwcrazy wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Is it bad that I am actually looking forward to DA3 because of the mistakes made in DA2? I feel that bioware will do better this time, much better.

I have more worries about Mass Effect than I do about DA2. Which strikes me wierd, not that I think about it.

I don't think it matters at this point. 

Fans will still buy DA3 regardless of whether or not they liked DA2. If you're talking about preordering DA3, that's another story.

Well, after DA2 and what looks like is going to happen with ME3, I think it's smart to wait for reviews before buying any BW games. The only games I preordered in recent history without disapointment were Assassin's Creed BH, and Revelations.

[Chanegade]

Morroian wrote...

Chanegade wrote...

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

This doesn't resemble the DAO I played which ended up being a cakewalk on nightmare.

When I played Nightmare for the first time it was pretty hard. Second time I played it though, it was a little easy since by then I knew where all the best armor in the game was and I knew which quests to take first.

[AlanC9]

slimgrin wrote...

android654 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I doubt Bioware can raise this IP from the grave. People have moved on to more realistic and gritty approaches to fantasy, especially when it comes to story driven games.

Outside of The Witcher 2, what would you recommend to replace Dragon Age if they can't resurrect it?

A new IP that isn't high fantasy.

I don't think you're necessarily right about high fantasy, but I'll play. 

You're talking unhigh fantasy, right? Defined... how?

Or do they get away from fantasy altogether? I vote superheroes if we're going for a new genre; the storytelling plays to Bio's strengths, and the genre hasn't been done too much. 

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[AlanC9]

Chanegade wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Chanegade wrote...

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

This doesn't resemble the DAO I played which ended up being a cakewalk on nightmare.

When I played Nightmare for the first time it was pretty hard. Second time I played it though, it was a little easy since by then I knew where all the best armor in the game was and I knew which quests to take first.

I still think you're overstating DA:O's difficulty. Or perhaps you never bothered to work out how to use the AIs? It's easy to think you're doing something challenging in a game where you're controlling every character,  even if every move you're making is automatic. This is why people think BG2 was challenging.

Edit: well, that and the resting system, which fooled a lot of players into conserving too many spells.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 février 2012 - 08:55 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Lol, DA2 didn't garner any new fans, therefore you should feel no obligation to them.

[Chuvvy]

virumor wrote...

chunkyman wrote...

What fan ideas have been implemented in past Bioware games?

You can tell me, I'm a bear. :innocent:

Tali/Garrus romance stands out as a sore thumb.

You're in for a surprise in ME3.

[Chanegade]

AlanC9 wrote...

Chanegade wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Chanegade wrote...

In DA:O, you fought a decent amount of enemies, they were never predictable (never knew what kind of a spell the enemy mage my throw at you), and the player was forced to use non lethal abilities like stun or paralyze because enemies had a lot of health and you couldn't fight them all at once.
Every fight was unique. You always needed to pause and think of a stragedy to beat the enemy. 

This doesn't resemble the DAO I played which ended up being a cakewalk on nightmare.

When I played Nightmare for the first time it was pretty hard. Second time I played it though, it was a little easy since by then I knew where all the best armor in the game was and I knew which quests to take first.

I still think you're overstating DA:O's difficulty. Or perhaps you never bothered to work out how to use the AIs? It's easy to think you're doing something challenging in a game where you're controlling every character,  even if every move you're making is automatic. This is why people think BG2 was challenging.

Edit: well, that and the resting system, which fooled a lot of players into conserving too many spells.

I tried to use the AIs but they never work for me. Like I said before, I prefer to use different stragedies for each individual fight.

Also if you don't mind me asking, what games have you played that you consider a challenge? 

[slimgrin]

AlanC9 wrote...

Or do they get away from fantasy altogether? 

This. I think their approach to fantasy is too conventional nowadays. It would be best to maybe suport DA2 with a couple more DLC's, and then let the franchise fade away. Move on to another genre. 

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Or do they get away from fantasy altogether? 

This. I think their approach to fantasy is too conventional nowadays. It would be best to maybe suport DA2 with a couple more DLC's, and then let the franchise fade away. Move on to another genre. 

I woudln't mind a dark fantast approach. Blood and gore doesn't make Dragon Age dark fantasy no matter what their terrible marketing says.

[Elhanan]

Ringo12 wrote...

I woudln't mind a dark fantast approach. Blood and gore doesn't make Dragon Age dark fantasy no matter what their terrible marketing says.

True; would be the Darkspawn, demonic possession, and other like elements that do this.

[Chanegade]

Ringo12 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Or do they get away from fantasy altogether? 

This. I think their approach to fantasy is too conventional nowadays. It would be best to maybe suport DA2 with a couple more DLC's, and then let the franchise fade away. Move on to another genre. 

I woudln't mind a dark fantast approach. Blood and gore doesn't make Dragon Age dark fantasy no matter what their terrible marketing says.

But.....but EA  used Marilyn Manson for the DA:O trailer. Anytime you slap a Marilyan Manson labal on it, it becomes a dark something.

Ok seriously though, I actually liked DA:O's tone. It tottaly failed at the whole "Dark Fantasy" thing but I still enjoyed the setting. Not all fantasy needs to be like ASOIAF.

[Chromie]

Chanegade wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Or do they get away from fantasy altogether? 

This. I think their approach to fantasy is too conventional nowadays. It would be best to maybe suport DA2 with a couple more DLC's, and then let the franchise fade away. Move on to another genre. 

I woudln't mind a dark fantast approach. Blood and gore doesn't make Dragon Age dark fantasy no matter what their terrible marketing says.

But.....but EA  used Marilyn Manson for the DA:O trailer. Anytime you slap a Marilyan Manson labal on it, it becomes a dark something.

Ok seriously though, I actually liked DA:O's tone. It tottaly failed at the whole "Dark Fantasy" thing but I still enjoyed the setting. Not all fantasy needs to be like ASOIAF.

I'm not saying it needs to but that's what Bioware had originally sold it as.

Elhanan wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

I woudln't mind a dark fantast approach. Blood and gore doesn't make Dragon Age dark fantasy no matter what their terrible marketing says.

True; would be the Darkspawn, demonic possession, and other like elements that do this.

 

/facepalm

Modifié par Ringo12, 17 février 2012 - 04:19 .

[Stanley Woo]

I think that's enough meandering around a topic for one thread. If you wish to discuss Dragon Age, please use the Dragon Age or Dragon Age II forums. Thank you.

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