I 2 solo finish bronze with my vanguard. I just
Can't play the co-op silver as I keep getting stuck
With people with low level characters.it pisses
Me of cuz they keep dying. I just don't feel
You should play silver with lvl 15 or less.
vanguard over powered in mp?
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#52
Posté 17 février 2012 - 03:00
Kakaw
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Vanguard is vry strong, but so are all the classes. Specially adepts and biotics in general feel alot stronger than in ME2. Stasis bubble for instance is fantastic. Fan tas tic.
Vanguard probably is the fastest at getting around and killing everything in his path, but that doesn't always benefit the team alot. e.g an infiltrator can sneak around and take out mission-objective-targets and stealth-resurrect, while just about any class (except vanguard!) can provide ranged support (and then theres the stasis bubble, energy drain, new and improved throw - you name it, I haven't tried it all yet). What I find the vanguard good for in silver/gold, is to charge around speeding up the groups progression (and draw ALOT of fire so the squishies have an easier time, i.e Tank) in the 7-8 first waves, and after that he needs to play 100% as a team guard, basically - tanking and making sure no Phantom gets close to anyone who can't handle it; or just charging around to whoever is in need of aid. All-the-while avoiding turrets and atlas' like the plague.
Vanguards are extremely fast paced. Charge-Shoot-Melee-roll-Shoot-Melee-Charge-Shoot-Melee -- all the while looking out for new targets and new spots to position yourself, and if you can't do a roll every 1.5 seconds, and a charge to the correct location every 4 seconds, and kill 2 enemies between each charge; then you are dead (within the next second
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Having played vanguard on insanity in ME2, it is pretty much routine. But so far turrets give me alot of headache. Atlas' I have to avoid (or shoot down with that rocket launcher), and Phantoms can't be killed by heavy melee-attack, nor can he engage more than one phantom alone.. (That doesn't work reliably). Everything else is fair game for a vanguard. Doesn't matter if he charges 1 enemy or 10. He will come out on top. It works. The vanguard works. Any weaker and he can't charge anything (cause there is no controlling the spawn rates), and then you might aswell remove the class. So while the early waves are a very fast praced a-b-c, with no room for errors of even 0.1sec in magnitude, a vanguards "lategame" is the really tricky part, when he must find a way to be useful without charging around and killing anywhere he wants. His best role is to clear alot of trash mobs - and with skill even stronger mobs fall before his feet in no time. But he is no match to turrets, multiple phantoms, and atlases. And one might argue that (atleast the 2 latter) units are the most pressing ones after wave 8 ish. So it really hurts a vanguards pride not being able to do anything (ofcourse he can still do alot, but nothing of the usual sort. Key is to make sure everyone on your team is ok, by charging around helping whoever is about to be in trouble. Instead of charging about the enemy territory, he charges about the allies' "territory"..).
Just about every other class is able to keep up with a vanguard in score. Tho' I don't think anyone can keep up with his actual killrate/dps once he starts charging about.
I think every class, so far in the demo, is OP compared to what we are used to (from mass effect 1 and 2). Just about every class has gotten better (as far as I can tell), across the board, and it is ALOT of fun! Every class is hands-on combat crazy and can work miracles with such a seemingly small toolset of only 3 active abilities.
Vanguard probably is the fastest at getting around and killing everything in his path, but that doesn't always benefit the team alot. e.g an infiltrator can sneak around and take out mission-objective-targets and stealth-resurrect, while just about any class (except vanguard!) can provide ranged support (and then theres the stasis bubble, energy drain, new and improved throw - you name it, I haven't tried it all yet). What I find the vanguard good for in silver/gold, is to charge around speeding up the groups progression (and draw ALOT of fire so the squishies have an easier time, i.e Tank) in the 7-8 first waves, and after that he needs to play 100% as a team guard, basically - tanking and making sure no Phantom gets close to anyone who can't handle it; or just charging around to whoever is in need of aid. All-the-while avoiding turrets and atlas' like the plague.
Vanguards are extremely fast paced. Charge-Shoot-Melee-roll-Shoot-Melee-Charge-Shoot-Melee -- all the while looking out for new targets and new spots to position yourself, and if you can't do a roll every 1.5 seconds, and a charge to the correct location every 4 seconds, and kill 2 enemies between each charge; then you are dead (within the next second
).Having played vanguard on insanity in ME2, it is pretty much routine. But so far turrets give me alot of headache. Atlas' I have to avoid (or shoot down with that rocket launcher), and Phantoms can't be killed by heavy melee-attack, nor can he engage more than one phantom alone.. (That doesn't work reliably
). Everything else is fair game for a vanguard. Doesn't matter if he charges 1 enemy or 10. He will come out on top. It works. The vanguard works. Any weaker and he can't charge anything (cause there is no controlling the spawn rates), and then you might aswell remove the class. So while the early waves are a very fast praced a-b-c, with no room for errors of even 0.1sec in magnitude, a vanguards "lategame" is the really tricky part, when he must find a way to be useful without charging around and killing anywhere he wants. His best role is to clear alot of trash mobs - and with skill even stronger mobs fall before his feet in no time. But he is no match to turrets, multiple phantoms, and atlases. And one might argue that (atleast the 2 latter) units are the most pressing ones after wave 8 ish. So it really hurts a vanguards pride not being able to do anything (ofcourse he can still do alot, but nothing of the usual sort. Key is to make sure everyone on your team is ok, by charging around helping whoever is about to be in trouble. Instead of charging about the enemy territory, he charges about the allies' "territory"..).Just about every other class is able to keep up with a vanguard in score. Tho' I don't think anyone can keep up with his actual killrate/dps once he starts charging about.
I think every class, so far in the demo, is OP compared to what we are used to (from mass effect 1 and 2). Just about every class has gotten better (as far as I can tell), across the board, and it is ALOT of fun! Every class is hands-on combat crazy and can work miracles with such a seemingly small toolset of only 3 active abilities.
#53
Posté 17 février 2012 - 03:25
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Please dont turn ME3 into another BLOP's with complaining about overpowered classes or weapons, just let the game be, it hasnt even come out yet if you think a class is better then another then play that class and let it be. Ive found that those people who say "xxx is so overpowered it needs to be nerfed" really are saying "i keep losing to people using xxx so please make it so i can beat them"
#54
Posté 17 février 2012 - 03:48
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I can hardly stand to play my vanguard, dunno whether thats because im using the drell and not the human but it's just not that fun to me.
#55
Posté 17 février 2012 - 03:50
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Vanguard isn't overpowered, it's all about who's playing it. I personally am terrible at Vanguard, but some of these guys are just beastly.
#56
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:03
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Not at all. I play as a Vanguard myself, and though it does seem like they're justing running up to guys and taking kills, the Vanguard is also risking their lives doing so. As I Vanguard, I probably go down most out of all my teammates because I am always charging into battle with a shotgun. You're going to need some support from your team if one who plays as a Vanguard is going to make it out in one piece. Here is for my fellow Vanguards. Be a Drell! They're godly amazing out close range!
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#57
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:05
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I often triple the score of those below me on my squad as a Vanguard, at least when playing with randoms but I don't see the class working to well on gold difficulty.
You also have to consider that we have only faced one type of enemy so it is possible Vanguards won't be as effective in the full game.
At any rate everyone gets the same exp at the end so I don't see it as much of a big deal.
You also have to consider that we have only faced one type of enemy so it is possible Vanguards won't be as effective in the full game.
At any rate everyone gets the same exp at the end so I don't see it as much of a big deal.
#58
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:09
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AngusJimiKeith wrote...
no, because without some backup (i.e. a decent squad) vanguards are suicidal. Fun, but suicidal. With a good group, though, they are an unstoppable force.
Hehe....that's me. All I need are a good soldier and/or sentinel to cover me long range and I hop around blowing **** up. Very risk/reward as you do need revived from time to time.
Good thing kill experience is shared!!!!
I only carry a souped up shotgun for maximum cooldown. I am going to max out nova and charge soon. It is quite deadly.
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#59
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:14
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Engineers are also a good assistance for a vanguard. They can stay with them and weaken enemies with all of their gismos!
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Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:15
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Legion64 wrote...
Not at all. I play as a Vanguard myself, and though it does seem like they're justing running up to guys and taking kills, the Vanguard is also risking their lives doing so. As I Vanguard, I probably go down most out of all my teammates because I am always charging into battle with a shotgun. You're going to need some support from your team if one who plays as a Vanguard is going to make it out in one piece. Here is for my fellow Vanguards. Be a Drell! They're godly amazing out close range!
Yes, it is very risk/reward. You do die a bunch until you really get the hang of it.
I tell you what, I am on the PC and I COULD NOT play this class without my gaming mouse. I have logitech G700 and I can map hotkeys to the side buttons. I just whip around the battlefield.
By the way...I am PSUHammer online (PC).
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#61
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:17
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Legion64 wrote...
Engineers are also a good assistance for a vanguard. They can stay with them and weaken enemies with all of their gismos!
The drones are clutch, for sure.
The only enemy that I have issues with (aside from the Atlas) is the shield holders. You have to stun them and hope for a few good shots.
#62
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:52
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If anything, vanguards seem underpowered on the higher difficulties. Never seen a vanguard on the top in gold mode
#63
Posté 17 février 2012 - 04:58
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I want to take my Vanguard to Gold, but I want to level her out first. Maybe unlock the Male while I'm at it.
Quick side question, can I get the Male/Female characters from Recruit packs, or do I need the Veteran packs for that too?
Quick side question, can I get the Male/Female characters from Recruit packs, or do I need the Veteran packs for that too?
