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[Zambayoshi]

But one-shotting things with a Claymore as a cloaked infiltrator is just so SEXY!

[Trakarg]

Magicman10893 wrote...

I love the Claymore! Put it on an Infiltrator and you have a weapon that does the same damage as the Widow while (pretty much) ignoring the stupid shield gate mechanic! Put it on a Human Soldier and you have a character that can use Adrenaline Rush to instantly reload and put two shots (with the second shot being ~50% more powerful) in the span of a second. My personal favorite is the Turian Soldier. Using Marksman the spread of the pellets is tightened to the point of basically firing slugs. With that in mind you have a Widow that does more damage that is also easy to use at point blank range.

As for a NovaGuard with a Claymore, take the upgrade for Nova that makes it only use half your barrier per Nova and intersperse your Charge/Nova/Shotgun routine with another Nova. That way you are still doing damage the whole time you are waiting to Charge again. I haven't personally tested it but that seems to be the trick from watching a Claymore wielding NovaGuard on Gold. Also I noticed the guy in the video I saw was using AP rounds. The increased damage and armor penetration would probably make the Claymore more valuable for any class.

GPS/Graal are better than the claymore, even for infiltrators.  The GPS has crazy range, and the graal can be ridiculously accurate with a choke.  On top of that, you can charge them up, cloak, and hit with the charged shot with cloaking damage.  On top of that, you can get another shot or two off WITH THE CLOAK DAMAGE.

[Dillon79]

claymore at rank X is the 2nd best shotgun, right behind Graal spike thrower. gotta use it on a soldier or infiltrator though when recharge isnt that important. ignore the weight reduction talents go all weapon damage headshot dmg and you can 1shot everything but heavies on cerberus/geth gold

[No Snakes Alive]

I have a level X Claymore and I can absolutely testify on Bryan's behalf. I really feel there's just no better weapon on a human Infiltrator. It's brutal.

[TempoGTR]

Might have something to do with being the single most powerful weapon in the game per shot? The claymore does 200-300 more damage than the Javelin It NEEDS to be slow.

[mrcanada]

Claymore X + Batarian Soldier + BB + Heavy Melee=end thread.

[Bryan Johnson]

No Snakes Alive wrote...

I have a level X Claymore and I can absolutely testify on Bryan's behalf. I really feel there's just no better weapon on a human Infiltrator. It's brutal.

I have to admit I had to check to see what I wrote, but yes it is awesome

[We Tigers]

This was some serious thread necromancy; it's from 2 months ago, when all we had was the demo. I think it's safe to say that opinions have changed now that people have had time to level it up, play with it more, and find the classes with which it works best.

[Trakarg]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

No Snakes Alive wrote...

I have a level X Claymore and I can absolutely testify on Bryan's behalf. I really feel there's just no better weapon on a human Infiltrator. It's brutal.

I have to admit I had to check to see what I wrote, but yes it is awesome

Does not hold a candle to GPS/Graal infiltrator.

Especially if you're a geth infiltrator with hunter mode and the GPS.  I often use my black widow on my GI, but things are pretty lulzy with the GPS on him too.

On top of doing more damage, the GPS and graal are simply much safer for an infiltrator to use.  Their range is simply nuts.

[Magicman10893]

Trakarg wrote...

Dude, are you serious?  Infiltrator GPS/Graal>>>infiltrator claymore.

I am not sure if this is accurate, but charged shots before cloaking from the GPS and Graal don't get the Cloak bonus since it is considered being shot before cloaking. It makes sense considering releasing the trigger to fire doesn't uncloak you. A Claymore however will get the Cloak damage bonus so I feel it is better for an Infiltrator.

[mrcanada]

Trakarg wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

No Snakes Alive wrote...

I have a level X Claymore and I can absolutely testify on Bryan's behalf. I really feel there's just no better weapon on a human Infiltrator. It's brutal.

I have to admit I had to check to see what I wrote, but yes it is awesome

Does not hold a candle to GPS/Graal infiltrator.

Especially if you're a geth infiltrator with hunter mode and the GPS.  I often use my black widow on my GI, but things are pretty lulzy with the GPS on him too.

On top of doing more damage, the GPS and graal are simply much safer for an infiltrator to use.  Their range is simply nuts.

The lag on the Graal can really negate the range, but I'm with you on the GPS.  But don't count out the Claymore's range as everyone should be using a smart choke on it anyway. I can headshot with a smart choked Claymore actually better than I can with a Graal and it gets there much quicker as well.

[Quxorda]

Why was a thread, that at this point has been proven wrong in so many ways, necroed from two months ago.

[TempoGTR]

Kronner wrote...

There's no reload-cancel anymore.

Claymore should really be adjusted. The massive weight implies that it is clearly better than the rest of the shotguns, but it is not. Not by a longshot.

Where do you get the "weight = better" equation from? Weight implies heavy-hitting, slow firing/reloading. Which is exactly what the Claymore is. Not every gun has be identical with slight variations in clip size/damage/rof.

The Claymore is the most powerful weapon in the game, based on shots fired. It does 200-300 more damage per shot than the Javelin, which is most powerful than the widow. Maybe you think the Claymore is worthless...that's your opinion. Stats and facts prove otherwise.

Sure, it weighs alot and drags down recharge times. That's the price you pay for using a gun that powerful. The Widow isn't exactly light, but every sniper seems to use it anyways. Why? Because the gun is more beneficial to have than their powers. I wouldn't suggest a claymore on a vanguard, but for classes where powers aren't your priority, it is fantastic.

tl;dr Sorry, you can't have 200% recharge speed AND carry the most powerful weapon in the game. That's called balance.

Edit: Apparently wasting my time here, since someone decided to bring back a dead thread

Modifié par TempoGTR, 25 avril 2012 - 12:04 .

[Trakarg]

mrcanada wrote...

Trakarg wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

No Snakes Alive wrote...

I have a level X Claymore and I can absolutely testify on Bryan's behalf. I really feel there's just no better weapon on a human Infiltrator. It's brutal.

I have to admit I had to check to see what I wrote, but yes it is awesome

Does not hold a candle to GPS/Graal infiltrator.

Especially if you're a geth infiltrator with hunter mode and the GPS.  I often use my black widow on my GI, but things are pretty lulzy with the GPS on him too.

On top of doing more damage, the GPS and graal are simply much safer for an infiltrator to use.  Their range is simply nuts.

The lag on the Graal can really negate the range, but I'm with you on the GPS.  But don't count out the Claymore's range as everyone should be using a smart choke on it anyway. I can headshot with a smart choked Claymore actually better than I can with a Graal and it gets there much quicker as well.

True, but the claymore just kills things so slowly!  Sure, you're pretty much guaranteed a kill when you shoot it, but...  That's just one kill.  While you get one kill with the claymore, you could get 3-4 easily with the more versatile shotguns.

[Magicman10893]

Trakarg wrote...

Magicman10893 wrote...

I love the Claymore! Put it on an Infiltrator and you have a weapon that does the same damage as the Widow while (pretty much) ignoring the stupid shield gate mechanic! Put it on a Human Soldier and you have a character that can use Adrenaline Rush to instantly reload and put two shots (with the second shot being ~50% more powerful) in the span of a second. My personal favorite is the Turian Soldier. Using Marksman the spread of the pellets is tightened to the point of basically firing slugs. With that in mind you have a Widow that does more damage that is also easy to use at point blank range.

As for a NovaGuard with a Claymore, take the upgrade for Nova that makes it only use half your barrier per Nova and intersperse your Charge/Nova/Shotgun routine with another Nova. That way you are still doing damage the whole time you are waiting to Charge again. I haven't personally tested it but that seems to be the trick from watching a Claymore wielding NovaGuard on Gold. Also I noticed the guy in the video I saw was using AP rounds. The increased damage and armor penetration would probably make the Claymore more valuable for any class.

GPS/Graal are better than the claymore, even for infiltrators.  The GPS has crazy range, and the graal can be ridiculously accurate with a choke.  On top of that, you can charge them up, cloak, and hit with the charged shot with cloaking damage.  On top of that, you can get another shot or two off WITH THE CLOAK DAMAGE.

I didn't think the Cloak bonus applied to shots charged up before cloaking since it doesn't uncloak you. If that is the case then I would say the Graal is best, but I still like not having to work around the whole charging thing, especially since the Graal and GPS need to lead their shots and sometimes fall victim to the projectile glitch that the Falcon falls victim to (at least it has to me from time to time).

[Trakarg]

Magicman10893 wrote...

Trakarg wrote...

Magicman10893 wrote...

I love the Claymore! Put it on an Infiltrator and you have a weapon that does the same damage as the Widow while (pretty much) ignoring the stupid shield gate mechanic! Put it on a Human Soldier and you have a character that can use Adrenaline Rush to instantly reload and put two shots (with the second shot being ~50% more powerful) in the span of a second. My personal favorite is the Turian Soldier. Using Marksman the spread of the pellets is tightened to the point of basically firing slugs. With that in mind you have a Widow that does more damage that is also easy to use at point blank range.

As for a NovaGuard with a Claymore, take the upgrade for Nova that makes it only use half your barrier per Nova and intersperse your Charge/Nova/Shotgun routine with another Nova. That way you are still doing damage the whole time you are waiting to Charge again. I haven't personally tested it but that seems to be the trick from watching a Claymore wielding NovaGuard on Gold. Also I noticed the guy in the video I saw was using AP rounds. The increased damage and armor penetration would probably make the Claymore more valuable for any class.

GPS/Graal are better than the claymore, even for infiltrators.  The GPS has crazy range, and the graal can be ridiculously accurate with a choke.  On top of that, you can charge them up, cloak, and hit with the charged shot with cloaking damage.  On top of that, you can get another shot or two off WITH THE CLOAK DAMAGE.

I didn't think the Cloak bonus applied to shots charged up before cloaking since it doesn't uncloak you. If that is the case then I would say the Graal is best, but I still like not having to work around the whole charging thing, especially since the Graal and GPS need to lead their shots and sometimes fall victim to the projectile glitch that the Falcon falls victim to (at least it has to me from time to time).

Honestly?  Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, AFAIK.  It doesn't seem... consistent, but I've certainly had charged shots receive the cloak damage before.

[mrcanada]

Trakarg wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Trakarg wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

No Snakes Alive wrote...

I have a level X Claymore and I can absolutely testify on Bryan's behalf. I really feel there's just no better weapon on a human Infiltrator. It's brutal.

I have to admit I had to check to see what I wrote, but yes it is awesome

Does not hold a candle to GPS/Graal infiltrator.

Especially if you're a geth infiltrator with hunter mode and the GPS.  I often use my black widow on my GI, but things are pretty lulzy with the GPS on him too.

On top of doing more damage, the GPS and graal are simply much safer for an infiltrator to use.  Their range is simply nuts.

The lag on the Graal can really negate the range, but I'm with you on the GPS.  But don't count out the Claymore's range as everyone should be using a smart choke on it anyway. I can headshot with a smart choked Claymore actually better than I can with a Graal and it gets there much quicker as well.

True, but the claymore just kills things so slowly!  Sure, you're pretty much guaranteed a kill when you shoot it, but...  That's just one kill.  While you get one kill with the claymore, you could get 3-4 easily with the more versatile shotguns.

But for the Batarian Soldier, you only need one shot in between BB spam and punching so it's the perfect weapon.  I honestly can't think of a better weapon for the BS.

[Dillon79]

heres the deal with the GPS/claymore debate. When properly reload canceling claymore hits as often if not more often than fully charging gps, does more damage, and you can be in cover while reloading while you have to be out while charging gps. On top of all that clamore scores headshots, GPS will never land a headshot. Basically if you like having to be pin point accurate for reliable damage go claymore. if you want to miss your targets and still take them out almost as fast treat yourself to a GPS (Garbage player's shotgun)

[Scalabrine]

Oh how i laugh at you kind sir...

My batarian soldier who just completed gold with 2 other batarians rocking the same setup laugh at you as well.

[Magicman10893]

Trakarg wrote...

Magicman10893 wrote...

I didn't think the Cloak bonus applied to shots charged up before cloaking since it doesn't uncloak you. If that is the case then I would say the Graal is best, but I still like not having to work around the whole charging thing, especially since the Graal and GPS need to lead their shots and sometimes fall victim to the projectile glitch that the Falcon falls victim to (at least it has to me from time to time).

Honestly?  Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, AFAIK.  It doesn't seem... consistent, but I've certainly had charged shots receive the cloak damage before.

A charged GPS or Graal might do more damage, but I prefer having a consistant damage dealer with the Claymore. I'm sure Min/Max-ers will call the Claymore **** because the charged Graal/GPS will do more damage, but I really prefer the way the Claymore handles. Even without the Turian Soldier's Marksman the Claymore is fairly accurate at a distance and the bonus Cloak damage and bonus Adrenaline Rush damage will negate the fact that a pellet or two missed at longer ranges.

[Feneckus]

Trakarg wrote...

Dude, are you serious?  Infiltrator GPS/Graal>>>infiltrator claymore.

I've seen quite a few GPS/Graal infiltrator, they've never been able to keep up with me score wise. 

I've tried the GPS, I didn't like it at all. I'm way more effective with my Claymore X. 

[Feneckus]

Trakarg wrote...

True, but the claymore just kills things so slowly!  

What ? A quick reload takes about a second or something. Which means that you can get a kill every second. That is pretty ****ing crazy.

[kyles3]

Krogan Soldier tears down enemies rapidly with the Claymore. Using Carnage for every other reload cancel the dude is just an absolute war machine. Way too much fun. 

[Viquey]

Air Quotes wrote...

Claymore X with barrel V and Smartchoke V + AP ammo + Geth Infiltrator Hunter mode maxed for damage + Maxed proxy mine for damage = Easy mode on Gold.

Interesting timing. What prompted this post, I wonder? 

But, it's so true.  And don't forget cloak! Unf~

Anyway. This thread is like 2 months old, innit? I haven't seen it in the past week or so, so someone necro'd it.  Hopefully by now OP knows better, though.