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[ImportedBox]

Haiii, I just played through demo, and of course there was no option to import save file from ME2, so I made a new one, aight? So when you pick either Williams or Alenko that died in ME1 and Shep has a "bond" to the survivor.
When I played, I "killed" Ashley cause I didn't wanna ruin the first time experience , gonna play it with my old character when full comes out.

But the relationship between Shep and Williams in the previous games has to affect these cutscenes in the beginning of the game? Like when they meet before the council(alliance) meeting?

What do you guys think about it? 

[Zalitara]

It probably matters, but it's hard to predict. It's been a while since any of the pairings were together. And I think you're not "together" with the one you chose to survive as default, so I'd say if you are you get different dialogue.

[Ryzaki]

I hope it matters. A different acknowledgement would be great.

[shepskisaac]

One of the articles did mention different animations for romanced Shep (with VS) in another level of the game, so I definitely think there will be differences. Don't forget that the demo was set on "no past romances".

[V-rex]

I like to think there is different dialogue and reactions on the part of the VS and Shepard depending on past relationship. Be it slight hostility or even passionate love.
Given that my Shepard not only romanced Ashley in Mass Effect 1 but also stayed faithful throughout Mass Effect 2. I'm not saying I want to see him grab Ashley by the waist, dip her and stick his tongue down her throat Dirty Dancing style, but some kind of emotional response other then just 'walk away' would be nice.

[WhoKnew]

I've heard that there are more dialogue options, but I would hope that that nod the VS gave Shepard was a bit less...casual, or perhaps even different in the final game in some way. I don't know, I guess not being able to import your romance leaves a lot of room for dialogue to be generalised to those who didn't romance the VS.

[kromify]

V-rex wrote...

I like to think there is different dialogue and reactions on the part of the VS and Shepard depending on past relationship. Be it slight hostility or even passionate love.
Given that my Shepard not only romanced Ashley in Mass Effect 1 but also stayed faithful throughout Mass Effect 2. I'm not saying I want to see him grab Ashley by the waist, dip her and stick his tongue down her throat Dirty Dancing style, but some kind of emotional response other then just 'walk away' would be nice.

it makes sense to me - the VS walked away from shep on their last encounter. i think shep is still pretty pissed, romanced or not.

[seirhart]

kromify wrote...

V-rex wrote...

I like to think there is different dialogue and reactions on the part of the VS and Shepard depending on past relationship. Be it slight hostility or even passionate love.
Given that my Shepard not only romanced Ashley in Mass Effect 1 but also stayed faithful throughout Mass Effect 2. I'm not saying I want to see him grab Ashley by the waist, dip her and stick his tongue down her throat Dirty Dancing style, but some kind of emotional response other then just 'walk away' would be nice.

it makes sense to me - the VS walked away from shep on their last encounter. i think shep is still pretty pissed, romanced or not.

I agree with this I think that shepard is rather pissed off with the vs and might be friendly but that is as far as shepard will go for awhile with the the vs.

[Random citizen]

kromify wrote...

V-rex wrote...

I like to think there is different dialogue and reactions on the part of the VS and Shepard depending on past relationship. Be it slight hostility or even passionate love.
Given that my Shepard not only romanced Ashley in Mass Effect 1 but also stayed faithful throughout Mass Effect 2. I'm not saying I want to see him grab Ashley by the waist, dip her and stick his tongue down her throat Dirty Dancing style, but some kind of emotional response other then just 'walk away' would be nice.

it makes sense to me - the VS walked away from shep on their last encounter. i think shep is still pretty pissed, romanced or not.

I have been given her the cold treatment since she refused the threesome with Liara in ME1...

Just kidding. My Ash died as a Hero on Virmire.

[Jenetic]

I didn't see it as Shep ignoring them. They smiled and nodded and so did Shep as s/he walked past. They didn't exactly have time for a heart-to-heart conversation. I'm sure that will come later.

I think in that brief moment, they didn't need to say anything at all. Just the soft smile and eye contact let each other know they still care. That's how I saw it anyway.

[ReallyRue]

I thought it made sense, myself. There's a lot of unsaid things between Shep and the VS, and that really wasn't the time to be saying any of those things, so it's best to just keep things curt. Save the conversation for later.

[Badpie]

I thought it was perfect for all relationships.

Friends or former colleagues there is at least a mutual respect and professionalism that I think they both showed with the small nods and smiles - an acknowledgement that they've been through some stuff together.

Even as awkward estranged lovers it works. They're in a professional setting and they are acting as such. Even if they wanted to say more it's not exactly the time to open that can of worms.

[CptData]

The current solution works good enough for both ways: Ashley's smile and her words can be interpreted as:

- romanced in ME1 and Horizon-issues are ignored in that moment. Ash simply enjoys the sight of her former CO.

- non-romanced in ME1, but still comrades in arms. In that case, Ashley simply remembers the good times. Also: if you start a game from scratch, it's hinted Kaidan's death founded a bond between Shep & Ash that's a tad more than friendship but still no romance.

So I guess we won't see much difference in full!intro sequence here. There's, after all, no time for some banter.

Things might (and will) change in the mission after escaping Earth.


--- Ninjaed by Badpie - not the worst ninja  ---

Modifié par CptData, 15 février 2012 - 09:19 .

[Demonhoopa]

If there was a romance, I'd expect every bit as chilly a response after that crap on Horizon. While Ashley/Kaiden was passing judgment on Shepard while sitting on their lofty perch of Alliance "goodness", she was saving the world from the Reaper threat........again.

I think that's what that indifferent stare is about and I'd think a romance COULD make someone in that position even angrier......because you're mixing in hurt.

You see it again on the Normandy. Ashley says "welcome back" and Shepards "thanks" (at least female shephard's) sounds more like a "f**k you".

I think that's why Kaiden/Ashley says they "used" to know Shepard. Because after their tentative smile was met with an indifferent "look right through you" stare and a brush off, they knew they were deep in Shephards dog house.

I think there will be baggage there, romance or no. Will be interesting to see when the game comes out.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 15 février 2012 - 09:26 .

[CptData]

Demonhoopa: funny. I don't hear a "eff you" in neither Shepard's voice.
Must be your imagination or interpretation. They're both pretty much professional plus some smiles.

[Demonhoopa]

CptData wrote...

Demonhoopa: funny. I don't hear a "eff you" in neither Shepard's voice.
Must be your imagination or interpretation. They're both pretty much professional plus some smiles.

Why does it have to be me that's mis interpreting?

I saw absolutely no smiles from Shephard when she pushed past Ashley. Maybe it was just "professionalism". I thought Jennifer Hale's "thanks" sounded very cold. Also Ashley's smile seemed almost tentative and sheepish to me.....the questioning smile of someone who knows they may be in trouble. The smile was not returned and Shephard looked right through her.

I thought Ashley's odd response to Vega that she "used to know" Shephard pretty much spelled the situation out.

Of course, as you say it's possible I may be reading too much into it.  I'll find out on March 6th.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 15 février 2012 - 09:36 .

[CptData]

Oh, one thing is for sure: Shepard is far more professional that Ash. Neither she nor he is really smiling. Maybe THAT's something that could change: smile for "romance", no smile for "cheated" / "no romance".

True.

But I still can't hear a "eff you", from neither Shepard, and no situation in the intro mission.

Also keep in mind - but that's something we won't see before we can't import a playthrough with romanced Ash / Kaidan: Shepard could still feel frustrated / sad 'cause of Horizon. So s/he'll keep it all professional. After all, it's up to the player to decide if Shepard returns to the VS or show him/her the cold shoulder.

Actually, the entire story revolving around the VS allows the player to play down the full set of emotions: from "still in love / want back" over "still in love / don't give a second chance" to "sheer hate". With proper results.

[StonedBatman]

I'll go with "sheer hate" if Bioware decide to ruin their characters by making them like it up the bum, or in Ashley's case finger in the taco.

[Demonhoopa]

CptData wrote...

Oh, one thing is for sure: Shepard is far more professional that Ash. Neither she nor he is really smiling. Maybe THAT's something that could change: smile for "romance", no smile for "cheated" / "no romance".

True.

But I still can't hear a "eff you", from neither Shepard, and no situation in the intro mission.

Also keep in mind - but that's something we won't see before we can't import a playthrough with romanced Ash / Kaidan: Shepard could still feel frustrated / sad 'cause of Horizon. So s/he'll keep it all professional. After all, it's up to the player to decide if Shepard returns to the VS or show him/her the cold shoulder.

Actually, the entire story revolving around the VS allows the player to play down the full set of emotions: from "still in love / want back" over "still in love / don't give a second chance" to "sheer hate". With proper results.

Yeah I'm guilty of Hyperbole there. But listen to the Femshep response (I haven't heard the other one). It's sounds like she's being very short with Ashley. I might be wrong but I think there's going to be some discussion about Ashley/Kaiden, basically turning their back on her.

[seirhart]

thats how I also saw and heard it as well, I saw and heard the coldness from shepard myself. Course I could be hearing things myself.

[Demonhoopa]

It will be very interesting to see what imported game saves do to that scene.

seirhart wrote...

thats how I also saw and heard it as well, I saw and heard the coldness from shepard myself. Course I could be hearing things myself.

Maybe we're having a group hallucination.

Personally I don't know how Shepard could NOT be at least a bit irritated after the way Ashley/Kaiden turned their back on her (or him). I'll find it almost broken if there isn't some friction there that needs to be resolved.

If I get the option, my renegade shep will tell Ashley to get stuffed.

Modifié par Demonhoopa, 15 février 2012 - 09:51 .

[Jenetic]

I think regardless of what may have happened between them, I think they are happy to see Shepard again. And if they were romanced, I'm sure they would love to just run over to Shepard and give him/her a hug but it wasn't the right time or place.

Oh and I don't really think Ashley is capable of "tentative and sheepish". But the smile was, in fact, returned by Shepard. It was just a soft, subtle one.

Modifié par Dagasi, 15 février 2012 - 09:50 .

[CptData]

StonedBatman wrote...

I'll go with "sheer hate" if Bioware decide to ruin their characters by making them like it up the bum, or in Ashley's case finger in the taco.

Don't worry, their characters are fine.
Unless you get them on the bad site.

[PMC65]

CptData wrote...

Oh, one thing is for sure: Shepard is far more professional that Ash. Neither she nor he is really smiling. Maybe THAT's something that could change: smile for "romance", no smile for "cheated" / "no romance".

True.

But I still can't hear a "eff you", from neither Shepard, and no situation in the intro mission.

Also keep in mind - but that's something we won't see before we can't import a playthrough with romanced Ash / Kaidan: Shepard could still feel frustrated / sad 'cause of Horizon. So s/he'll keep it all professional. After all, it's up to the player to decide if Shepard returns to the VS or show him/her the cold shoulder.

Actually, the entire story revolving around the VS allows the player to play down the full set of emotions: from "still in love / want back" over "still in love / don't give a second chance" to "sheer hate". With proper results.

For a "cheated" intro I would prefer a slight hurt smile. My Shepard still loves Ash despite his stumble and I'm hoping that she still loves him so ... yeah, slight smiles that hint at the pain would be nice.

[Jenetic]

PMC65 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Oh, one thing is for sure: Shepard is far more professional that Ash. Neither she nor he is really smiling. Maybe THAT's something that could change: smile for "romance", no smile for "cheated" / "no romance".

True.

But I still can't hear a "eff you", from neither Shepard, and no situation in the intro mission.

Also keep in mind - but that's something we won't see before we can't import a playthrough with romanced Ash / Kaidan: Shepard could still feel frustrated / sad 'cause of Horizon. So s/he'll keep it all professional. After all, it's up to the player to decide if Shepard returns to the VS or show him/her the cold shoulder.

Actually, the entire story revolving around the VS allows the player to play down the full set of emotions: from "still in love / want back" over "still in love / don't give a second chance" to "sheer hate". With proper results.

For a "cheated" intro I would prefer a slight hurt smile. My Shepard still loves Ash despite his stumble and I'm hoping that she still loves him so ... yeah, slight smiles that hint at the pain would be nice.

How would she know Shep "cheated"?  I don't think they have had a chance to talk since he got back to Earth.........that we know of.  Granted, she doesn't know what Shepard did while he was gone working for Cerberus , but I don't think she would automatically assume he hooked up with someone else...