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[Phoenix_Fyre]

Interesting thread.

I keep thinking the whole Cerberus/Horizon thing changed the VS. Much as I hate the dialogue, the VS has a point. Shep changed from ME1.

If Arrival isn't the nail in the coffin I don't know what is. If I was the VS, I'd certainly doubt Shep's sanity by that point, especially if paragon

[Fidget6]

From that brief moment when Shep is being rushed off and the awkward way they left things on Virmire I think no matter what your relationship with Ash/Kaidan was, that seems like a perfectly reasonable reaction for that scene.

EDIT: Virmire? Lol, wow I must have been tired. I meant to say Horizon. xD

Modifié par Fidget6, 16 février 2012 - 02:38 .

[CptData]

Fidget6 wrote...

From that brief moment when Shep is being rushed off and the awkward way they left things on Virmire, I think no matter what your relationship with Ash/Kaidan was, that seems like a perfectly reasonable reaction for that scene.

The current scene works at least in both ways: romanced / unromanced - in case BW hasn't anything in the sleeves here. Just keep in mind: it's a demo - and stuff got cut.
Also there's a chance it doesn't really matter if the VS and Shepard were once together: Horizon can be (but don't have to be) considered as break up or at least a major obstacle in their relationship - regardless if they were "just" comrades and friends or lovers.

The VS seems to be glad Shepard is around, that's why the (faint) smile. I simply can't imagine a big reunion scene including a hug here, mostly 'cause Anderson is around (it may look awkward!) Also, there's no time for a big dialogue, I doubt a romance between VS and Shepard will have one in the intro. Things -GO- different on the next mission for sure, but for now they both keep it professional.
The only opportunity for BW to add some signs of romantical attachment is a slightly longer eye contact between both - maybe with a bittersweet touch since the events of ME2. Not too much, maybe 4, 5 seconds or something - I simply don't expect much more.

[Unschuld]

I got the impression from the videos that I watched (haven't touched the demo myself) that there seems to be a *little* tension left between the VS and Shepard. Even if there was a good bond/friendship between them they're not exactly on buddy-buddy terms after the events on Horizon. That's the explanation I see.

[CptData]

Unschuld wrote...

I got the impression from the videos that I watched (haven't touched the demo myself) that there seems to be a *little* tension left between the VS and Shepard. Even if there was a good bond/friendship between them they're not exactly on buddy-buddy terms after the events on Horizon. That's the explanation I see.

They're also not what I would call "enemies". Guess there's a high chance they both try to keep it as professional as possible - despite what had happened between them in ME1 and Horizon. Means: no yelling at each other. A friendly face, a nod ... they're okay.
And still, that brief exchange could also be interpreted as "there's still something left", especially in context with Horizon + following message. BW did a great job here.

[Silver77nz]

^^^This looks like a smile to me and not a brush off.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Depends on the mouth shape.

[Unschuld]

 

CptData wrote...

They're also not what I would call "enemies". Guess there's a high chance they both try to keep it as professional as possible - despite what had happened between them in ME1 and Horizon. Means: no yelling at each other. A friendly face, a nod ... they're okay. 
And still, that brief exchange could also be interpreted as "there's still something left", especially in context with Horizon + following message. BW did a great job here.

 

No, I wasn't implying that they were enemies, either. Just residual tension. And yes, more professionalism, regardless if you got them to open up in ME1 as more of a confidant.

Modifié par Unschuld, 16 février 2012 - 07:37 .

[Augoeides]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...



^^^This looks like a smile to me and not a brush off.

Looks the exact opposite to me. That's my **** off/you wish you were worth my attention face.

[CptData]

^ Augoeides: it seems to depend on mouth shape, like Random Jerkface says.
Sheploo seems to be able to show more appopriate faces than female or custom Shepards.

Ash & Kaidan are fine.

[ShallowLife8917]

Demonhoopa wrote...



You see it again on the Normandy. Ashley says "welcome back" and Shepards "thanks" (at least female shephard's) sounds more like a "f**k you".

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I see it more as  a " Let's focas on G.T.F.O" not an" eff you" 

[Labrev]

Silverpearl1977 wrote...

*snip*

^^^This looks like a smile to me and not a brush off.

Yeah, I just wish it were a bit more distinct.

[RVallant]

I too am very much looking forward to this tension. I wouldn't blame Shep for any feelings of 'eff off' because VS is probably one of the few who perhaps lost faith way too fast... -sigh-

[Some Dude]

I think its open to interpretation because based off the look Shep gives it could be anything from compliance to apathy. I actually find this scene to be one of the better moments from the demo.

[Zalitara]

I wonder how much I can push the VS romance. How far out in the game can I still be pissed at Ashley and still get a happy ending before she just walkes away? Because I wanna make her sweat a little before I forgive her for Horizon.

[CptData]

RVallant wrote...


I too am very much looking forward to this tension. I wouldn't blame Shep for any feelings of 'eff off' because VS is probably one of the few who perhaps lost faith way too fast... -sigh-

Keep in mind both did mistakes. And if you get Shepard right - especially in LotSB with Liara - s/he also lost faith and is "just doing the job". Of course, there's a lot of RP in that one, but still.

Also remember: the VS followed Shepard when s/he was stealing the Normandy, believing s/he would do the right thing by travelling to Ilos. The VS just lost faith on Horizon since Shepard came back (it looked as if s/he was faking death from VS PoV) AND the fact Shepard had Cerberus badges slapped all over him/her appearance didn't help either.

Some Dude wrote...

I think its open to interpretation because based off the look Shep gives it could be anything from compliance to apathy. I actually find this scene to be one of the better moments from the demo.

It's one of the few scenes that's entirely up to your imagination / interpretation. And that's what the scene makes great.

Zalitara wrote...

I wonder how much I can push the VS romance. How far out in the game can I still be pissed at Ashley and still get a happy ending before she just walkes away? Because I wanna make her sweat a little before I forgive her for Horizon.

Wouldn't taunt her too much or things may go the wrong way.
Remember: you're talking about Ashley Williams. The one with a real temperament. I wouldn't try to get her on the wrong side, which can happen quite easily.

Modifié par CptData, 16 février 2012 - 10:58 .

[RVallant]

CptData wrote...

RVallant wrote...
I too am very much looking forward to this tension. I wouldn't blame Shep for any feelings of 'eff off' because VS is probably one of the few who perhaps lost faith way too fast... -sigh-

Keep in mind both did mistakes. And if you get Shepard right - especially in LotSB with Liara - s/he also lost faith and is "just doing the job". Of course, there's a lot of RP in that one, but still.

Also remember: the VS followed Shepard when s/he was stealing the Normandy, believing s/he would do the right thing by travelling to Ilos. The VS just lost faith on Horizon since Shepard came back (it looked as if s/he was faking death from VS PoV) AND the fact Shepard had Cerberus badges slapped all over him/her appearance didn't help either.

I romanced the VS, so Liara's interactions didn't display a 'lack of faith' in Shepard on my playthrough. As far as I recall, she was quite nice about the whole situation and focused on her own mission which, is fair enough. I can get by with that. To be honest I can cut Liara a ton of slack if her own comic is anything to go by, she is one of the reasons Shep is back after all.

The VS (in my case, Ashley), I can understand her reaction and I'm fine with it, I'm just looking forward to Shep's overall reaction in ME3, especially my Shep who kept the faith regardless even though everyone on the Normandy treated that incident like a break up. Tsk! I don't agree with Ash's or Kaiden's sentiments that Shepard has changed and she "used to know" Shepard, s/he is still the same person afaik, just a different affiliation. But then again, emotions rule over logic sometimes.

Either way, I hope BW don't drop the ball on this one, I'm really really looking forward to watching them reconcile (or not). =)

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Well, when he gets on the Normandy and the VS says "Welcome aboard, Shepard", he casually says "thanks",. Wish I had a renegade interrupt for "Now get off my ship."

[Eire Icon]

Badpie wrote...

I thought it was perfect for all relationships.

Friends or former colleagues there is at least a mutual respect and professionalism that I think they both showed with the small nods and smiles - an acknowledgement that they've been through some stuff together.

Even as awkward estranged lovers it works. They're in a professional setting and they are acting as such. Even if they wanted to say more it's not exactly the time to open that can of worms.

Agree with this 100% - I thought it was awesome the way it was

My Shep rommanced Ash but the last time they spoke was on Horizon. Yes there was mutual respect there but it was also slightly awkward, as it should be.

The scene worked perfectly for me. Ash was surprised and somewhat pleased to see Shepard, which is perfectly logical as if the Reapers were about to attack I'd be pretty chuffed to see him walking down the hall as well !!! Shepard seemed surprised to see her, but didn't hang around to chit chat which is also understandable given what was happening. He seemed almost a bit miffed, which I wouldn't blame him after Horizon Then came my favourite line of the demo:

James Vega: Do you know the Commander?
Ashley: I used too

That my friends is absolutely awesome in my opinion. Gives nothing away, but says that Ash and Shepard have some unresolved issues to wade through

I also don't understand this perception of them still being together. No matter what the playthrough, at the beginning of ME3 they are not together

Modifié par Eire Icon, 16 février 2012 - 12:43 .

[CrazyCatDude]

I'm kinda sad there's no option to order the VS to stay with Anderson. I'm especially sad there's no option to issue the order with my boot applied to the VS's back side and a good solid push out of the hanger door, but then, my Shepards are all just a bit bitter.

[Eire Icon]

Demonhoopa wrote...

I saw absolutely no smiles from Shephard when she pushed past Ashley..

Nor did I, there was no smile just surprise and a brief acknowledgment, and why should there be anything more?

Everything Shepard has done was to avoid what was happening in that very moment with the Reapers. Ashley called into question his motives and actions on Horizon, which I think was perfectly understandable, but at the end of the day Shepard has been vindicated.

Whatever reason Ash had to be mad at Shepard has subsided, but Shepards reasons for being mad with Ash are still there

[CptData]

Eire Icon wrote...

...
Then came my favourite line of the demo:

James Vega: Do you know the Commander?
Ashley: I used to

That my friends is absolutely awesome in my opinion. Gives nothing away, but says that Ash and Shepard have some unresolved issues to wade through

I also don't understand this perception of them still being together. No matter what the playthrough, at the beginning of ME3 they are not together

Lets say it's a neutral statement from someone with a history - you can see it either as history as friends, comrades or as lovers. It's a respectful statement, as you say.

However, I don't know if Ashley considers their relationship as "gone". Maybe on "hold", but definitely not "broken" - at least that's what I got from ... yeah, you have three guesses. It's vague at least ... for both, Ash & Kaidan. They're not "together" in that scene, but that relationship isn't really gone too. So guess it's up to you.
That scene IS beautiful in a way that it allows all kind of interpretations.

[Augoeides]

Eire Icon wrote...

Demonhoopa wrote...

I saw absolutely no smiles from Shephard when she pushed past Ashley..

Nor did I, there was no smile just surprise and a brief acknowledgment, and why should there be anything more?

Everything Shepard has done was to avoid what was happening in that very moment with the Reapers. Ashley called into question his motives and actions on Horizon, which I think was perfectly understandable, but at the end of the day Shepard has been vindicated.

Whatever reason Ash had to be mad at Shepard has subsided, but Shepards reasons for being mad with Ash are still there

This. Only for me it was with Kaidan and I want to see him apologize profusely

[LaurenShepard-N7]

People are still mad at the VS over what happened on Horizon? I agree the whole scene was pretty bad and it sucked that they turned against Shepard like that, but if you thought your lover was dead for 2 years and they suddenly showed up without explanation working for the ****s or something you probably wouldn't react too well either. The VS would have been an emotional wreck for those 2 years and when Shepard came back they probably thought s/he faked his/her death and cut them out of his/her life. People need to cut them some slack, the fact they were so emotional about it means they cared about Shepard more than anyone (apart from maybe Liara but I wont get into that). Also if they were lovey-dovey towards Shepard all throughout the 3 games we'd probably all be bored of it by now, so this is a good opportunity to build some tension, and I think the scene in the demo reflects that awkwardness really well.

[CrazyCatDude]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

People are still mad at the VS over what happened on Horizon? I agree the whole scene was pretty bad and it sucked that they turned against Shepard like that, but if you thought your lover was dead for 2 years and they suddenly showed up without explanation working for the ****s or something you probably wouldn't react too well either. The VS would have been an emotional wreck for those 2 years and when Shepard came back they probably thought s/he faked his/her death and cut them out of his/her life. People need to cut them some slack, the fact they were so emotional about it means they cared about Shepard more than anyone (apart from maybe Liara but I wont get into that). Also if they were lovey-dovey towards Shepard all throughout the 3 games we'd probably all be bored of it by now, so this is a good opportunity to build some tension, and I think the scene in the demo reflects that awkwardness really well.

Except it wasn't without explination.  "I was in some kind of coma for the past two years," is a pretty clear explination.  So is "I'm working with Cerberus to invistigate the missing colonies," which, you know, happen to be outside of Alliance and Council jurisdiction.  Besides, Tali and Garrus, who had more reason to be leary of Cerberus than the VS trusted Shepard enough to at least listen to what he/she had to say.