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[Merchant2006]

ediskrad327 wrote...

you don't die in the first 10 minutes of the game? clearly this was made to appeal to the Call of Duty crowd, PREORDER CANCELLED!

Modifié par Merchant2006, 16 février 2012 - 02:56 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...
Because it's a warship.
Because i'ts advanced.
Because it's know to be Shepards ship.
[/quote]

Not in a target rich environment it isn't. It is flying away by the time the Reaper takes down the shuttle.
And? There are thousands of warships flying about, in a fight the
Normandy is nothing compared to a Dreadnought, many of which the Reapers
easily destroyed.[/quote]

It was sitting there...for a full minute. Time it if you want. What were the reapers doign all that time?

And what "target rich enviroment"
Name ONE better traget than Normandy.  Where are the other warships?

[quote]
The Nomrandy poses very little threat to a Reaper, so it being a warship is irrelevant. Actually, it being a warship may be why it wasn't prioritised. You are thinking in terms of a normal war, in which both sides represent a threat to each other and would prioritise eliminating their military. Thats not what this is, and that's not how the Reapers see it. This is a Reaping. A culling, an annhialation, a genocide. Thjeir goal is to kill everything, civillian ships run away and warships attack you, it osn't surprising that with the Alliance warships posing no threat to Reapers they prioritise fleeing shuttles over Frigates.[/qutoe]

so I guess that's why they shot down the cruiser? Because they don't care about military assests?

and I guess that's why Sovereign was destroyed...Because our weapons can't hurt them?

So yeah...tehy are culling...destroy 2 shuttles with 10 opeopel of a heavy frigate with lots more poeple in it? DUuuuUUH!
Your own reasoning fails you.

[HTTP 404]

so much stealth.

[Sgt Stryker]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And what "target rich enviroment"
Name ONE better traget than Normandy.

I'll name two targets - Shuttle #1 and Shuttle #2. They were both closer than the Normandy, and posed as much of a threat as the Normandy. In other words, no threat at all. If you're squishing ants, you go after the ones closest to you first.

Seriously though, everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill here. I can't believe this actually made it to 13 pages! Good old BSN, eh?

[STARKILLER423]

1. Could be the Normandy's stealth systems. We don't know if Reapers can "see", or if they use radar. So the stealth systems could very well have hidden the Normandy.
2. The Reapers are arrogant. They don't see any of the species as a threat. They have been doing this for at least 37 million years. They have all the time in the galaxy to hunt down everyone and destroy them. Why should they shoot down the Normandy? Even at the end of Arrival Harbinger is still insisting that Shepard's actions are futile and they simply can not win, no matter what they do.

[AntiChri5]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
Because it's a warship.
Because i'ts advanced.
Because it's know to be Shepards ship.

Not in a target rich environment it isn't. It is flying away by the time the Reaper takes down the shuttle.
And? There are thousands of warships flying about, in a fight the
Normandy is nothing compared to a Dreadnought, many of which the Reapers
easily destroyed.

It was sitting there...for a full minute. Time it if you want. What were the reapers doign all that time?

And what "target rich enviroment"
Name ONE better traget than Normandy.  Where are the other warships?

The Nomrandy poses very little threat to a Reaper, so it being a warship is irrelevant. Actually, it being a warship may be why it wasn't prioritised. You are thinking in terms of a normal war, in which both sides represent a threat to each other and would prioritise eliminating their military. Thats not what this is, and that's not how the Reapers see it. This is a Reaping. A culling, an annhialation, a genocide. Thjeir goal is to kill everything, civillian ships run away and warships attack you, it osn't surprising that with the Alliance warships posing no threat to Reapers they prioritise fleeing shuttles over Frigates.[/qutoe]

so I guess that's why they shot down the cruiser? Because they don't care about military assests?

and I guess that's why Sovereign was destroyed...Because our weapons can't hurt them?

So yeah...tehy are culling...destroy 2 shuttles with 10 opeopel of a heavy frigate with lots more poeple in it? DUuuuUUH!
Your own reasoning fails you.

What were the Reapers doing? Stomping about, blowing **** up, of course. They are wiping out an entire civilisation, that **** takes time. The Reaper doesn't even show up unitl you are about to leave. Then you look down, it stomps over, blows up two shuttles and you are gone.

There are billions of people, thousands of aircraft, we see several shuttles. Seriously, take a look around, there is a great deal happening. WHat other warships?  How about that Dreadnought the Reapers casually obliterate? You being able to simply turn a corner and see a dreadnought means there are ships everywhere. Shuttles being shot down, those gunships you take down in ME2 zipping about......

WHat cruiser? They shoot down a lot of things. I am not saying warships are irrelevant, just that a mere frigate is not a high priority.

Oh please, don't even try to use Sovereign as an example. That was an entire fleet versus one Reaper that only managed to take it down because Shepard killing Sov/Saren somehow magically lowered Sovs barriers.

They shot down the targets they had the best shot at, simple. The Normandy is not a particularly big ship, and those shuttles were packed. But, again, thats irrelevant because the Reaper was shooting at the ships that provided the best target. It likely would have tried for the Normandy in a few seconds.

Hell, for all we know, it skips a scene where the damn thing chases you right after the dramatic music and burning ships that end that part of the demo.

[AntiChri5]

dutch646 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...
It is still, but only for a few seconds.

Try a full minute. That's an eternity in combat.

Why would it prioritise the Normandy?

Because it's a warship.
Because i'ts advanced.
Because it's know to be Shepards ship.

Not in a target rich environment it isn't. It is flying away by the time the Reaper takes down the shuttle.

And? There are thousands of warships flying about, in a fight the Normandy is nothing compared to a Dreadnought, many of which the Reapers easily destroyed. The Nomrandy poses very little threat to a Reaper, so it being a warship is irrelevant. Actually, it being a warship may be why it wasn't prioritised. You are thinking in terms of a normal war, in which both sides represent a threat to each other and would prioritise eliminating their military. Thats not what this is, and that's not how the Reapers see it. This is a Reaping. A culling, an annhialation, a genocide. Thjeir goal is to kill everything, civillian ships run away and warships attack you, it osn't surprising that with the Alliance warships posing no threat to Reapers they prioritise fleeing shuttles over Frigates.

It being advanced by our standards doesn't mean a thing. A rock tied to a stick is more advanced then a stick, but that doesn't mean much to someone with a tank.

Why would that matter? Shepard is an annoyance, and they don't know whether he is onboard.

*facepalm*

Sorry Antichri5, but that explanation is dumb.

OP, the true reason why they didn't blow up the ship or chased it down is because

Yes, don't bother countering with actual arguments!

Just say it is dumb. Drool a bit too, for effect.

[illusive_wolf]

in me2 you retrieve a reaper IFF so its most likely that its still on the normandy that plus the stealth system and all the upgrades you made

[BatmanPWNS]

Yeah they should have totally blowned it up.
Ok, this would be the game:
*Opening and tutorial*
*Shep dies*
*GAME OVER*

Yeah, that would be a great game.

[AlexXIV]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Yeah they should have totally blowned it up.
Ok, this would be the game:
*Opening and tutorial*
*Shep dies*
*Lazarus*

Yeah, that would be a great game.

Fixed

[BatmanPWNS]

AlexXIV wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Yeah they should have totally blowned it up.
Ok, this would be the game:
*Opening and tutorial*
*Shep dies*
*Lazarus*

Yeah, that would be a great game.

Fixed

I approve.

[seirhart]

illusive_wolf wrote...

in me2 you retrieve a reaper IFF so its most likely that its still on the normandy that plus the stealth system and all the upgrades you made

I don't know if the normandy still has the reaper iff, but I see the iff as a friend foe signal. I also bet that the reapers thought that hey the normandy is another reaper.


I still go with that the reapers knew that the normandy was there but the queen bee/king bee reaper told instructed all reapers to leave the normandy alone because they still want shepard preferably alive. Or think of it as this way you know how a cat plays with a mouse for awhile but will eventually get tired of the mouse and kill the mouse or try to kill the mouse. The normandy is the mouse and the reapers or more specifically the leader reaper wants to play with shepard/normandy some more and so lets it go.

[Nerevar-as]

The Reaper is clearly attacking targets closer to itself. After blowing the shuttles you can see it´s being fired upon from ground, and switches firing there. So I see nothing to make such a fuss about here, and a frigate threat level over ground fire from the Reaper POV would be like comparing crushing an ant before a fly.

[AlexXIV]

Did the Reapers shoot Anderson's shuttle?

[Urazz]

I figured the reaper was attacking targets close to itself or targets that were attacking it.

[ironcreed2]

Because this is fiction, and like with any fiction, seemingly impossible or unlikely things often happen. If I wanted to, I could sit and pick apart every movie I watch or every game I play, but then I would miss out on the entertainment that is there. So I prefer to just enjoy the ride for what it is, instead of sitting there analyzing every detail that I find may not be so plausible were it a real scenario.

[RocketManSR2]

The Reapers wanted to ****** off Shepard by killing the kid.

[Sgt Stryker]

ironcreed2 wrote...

Because this is fiction, and like with any fiction, seemingly impossible or unlikely things often happen. If I wanted to, I could sit and pick apart every movie I watch or every game I play, but then I would miss out on the entertainment that is there. So I prefer to just enjoy the ride for what it is, instead of sitting there analyzing every detail that I find may not be so plausible were it a real scenario.

Finally someone gets it. I'll take it one step further and say that seemingly impossible or unlikely things happen outside of fiction as well, especially in wars. Take a look at these two clips from one of my favorite shows, Band of Brothers:



Now I can guarantee that if this show was pure fiction, there would be plenty of people complaining about how these scenes are "unrealistic." However, BoB is historical fiction based on the actual exploits of Easy Company, and both these events really did happen.

Extraordinary or even serendipitous events can and do happen in real war. Why can't they happen in fictitious wars too?

EDIT: had to fix mah linkz

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 16 février 2012 - 04:22 .

[MDT1]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

MDT1 wrote...
My first reaction to the demo at this point was "why don't you move away, the reaper will kill you, this is stupid writing".
But, though I sympatize with your argumentaion, it is somehow flawed too.

First moving through the atmosphere only heats something up if it moves fast and doesn't just hower around.
If you manage the miracle to capture termal radication in space I see no physical reason why this shoudn't work in an atmosphere(as long as you move "slow").
Secondly, there are even today stealth methods for radar. And it would complitly useless to invest into an expensive and complex system to avoid thermal detection if you can be seen on every 200 year old radar system.
And while the Normandy isn't invisible for human eyes, it is just likely and not obligatory that reapers can see our spectrum of light with whatever they have for eyes.

- Because traping heat inside he ship, and trapign heat AROUND the ship are two completely different thigs
- because radar stealth is less effective with distance and size.
- because you imply reapers see LESS than we do? You know, even todays tanks/helicopeters can "see" in a wider spectrum than humans can, do you?

-Sry didn't know that everything in an atmosphere automatically surrounded by a heat the differs from the actual air temparature.
- naturally, but whats your point here, I just said the Normandy would probably have anti radar systems that fit for her size and purpose.
-Reapers don't have the handicap of a Human tank crew, that they actually have to see something. Perhaps ther other sensor systems, whatever they might be, never failed them.  Also even if reapers see a wider spectrum then we, that doesn't automtically mean that our spectrum is part of theirs.

Though I also felt this was bad writing the intent of my original post was just that you can't proof it's bad writing with semi-scientific facts. It somehow remebered me of creationism which makes me always kind of agitated. Creationism can "proof" things, as it's no science, while Darwin as scientist could only publish a theory.

Modifié par MDT1, 16 février 2012 - 04:27 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

In answer to the thread, the normandy doesn't blow up because they have the writers on their side. Simple as that. Wouldn't be much of a game if you end up dying as you escape earth.

-Polite

[ironcreed2]

Look at movies like Star Wars. How likely is it that someone could hop into a fighter, make that death defying run at the Death Star and go on to make that one in a million shot that destroys it? Now, Star Wars is celebrated as an absolute masterpiece and questions like this are never asked. Why? Because it is fiction and Skywalker was the hero of the tale that is fulfilling his destiny. Of course he is going to defy the odds, else there would not be a tale to tell at all.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

 Arguing aside. I felt really sorry for the small child that didn't come with Shepard in the duct tunnel. I felt like screaming at my TV "WTF COME WITH ME.. THIS IS BAD WRITING!!!" but then I realised that was the whole point.. the writers wanted to bring emotion to the game.
Also, I was thinking when Shepard was talking to Anderson "Why hasn't the ship moved when it's standing directly infront of a reaper"   

[MDT1]

ironcreed2 wrote...

Look at movies like Star Wars. How likely is it that someone could hop into a fighter, make that death defying run at the Death Star and go on to make that one in a million shot that destroys it? Now, Star Wars is celebrated as an absolute masterpiece and questions like this are never asked. Why? Because it is fiction and Skywalker was the hero of the tale that is fulfilling his destiny. Of course he is going to defy the odds, else there would not be a tale to tell at all.

Well Luke at least tried to evade the turrets and didn't float in fron of one for 30 seconds just to see it kill the two next ships to his.
Also Luke had the froce for its million dollar shot, while the normandy only had its plot armor.

Modifié par MDT1, 16 février 2012 - 04:35 .

[Nial Black-Knee]

Because those two little shuttles were soooo much more important than a big frigate. Weren't you watching?