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[seirhart]

on a side note you want to know why the normandy didn't move away faster even though it was slowly moving away, was because some moron *shepard* thought it would be great idea to just stand there wide open. Since the rear of the ship was open joker couldn't move that fast in fear of tossing shepard out of the ship.

[ironcreed2]

MDT1 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

Look at movies like Star Wars. How likely is it that someone could hop into a fighter, make that death defying run at the Death Star and go on to make that one in a million shot that destroys it? Now, Star Wars is celebrated as an absolute masterpiece and questions like this are never asked. Why? Because it is fiction and Skywalker was the hero of the tale that is fulfilling his destiny. Of course he is going to defy the odds, else there would not be a tale to tell at all.

Well Luke at least tried to evade the turrets and didn't float in fron of one for 30 seconds just to see it kill the two next ships to his.

LOL, we could sit and argue little details all day, but it would be pointless. As the point still stands that, like Luke in Star Wars, Shepherd is the hero who is going to defy the odds. Not trying to hold Mass Effect up to Star Wars, just trying to illustrate that one can do the same sort of analyzing to unlikely events in even the greatest of masterpieces, if they so choose. It also shows how doing so takes the excitement out of what fiction by it's very nature is supposed to provide.

[MDT1]

ironcreed2 wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

Look at movies like Star Wars. How likely is it that someone could hop into a fighter, make that death defying run at the Death Star and go on to make that one in a million shot that destroys it? Now, Star Wars is celebrated as an absolute masterpiece and questions like this are never asked. Why? Because it is fiction and Skywalker was the hero of the tale that is fulfilling his destiny. Of course he is going to defy the odds, else there would not be a tale to tell at all.

Well Luke at least tried to evade the turrets and didn't float in fron of one for 30 seconds just to see it kill the two next ships to his.

LOL, we could sit and argue little details all day, but it would be pointless. As the point still stands that, like Luke in Star Wars, Shepherd is the hero who is going to defy the odds. Not trying to hold Mass Effect up to Star Wars, just trying to illustrate that one can do the same sort of analyzing to unlikely events in even the greatest of masterpieces, if they so choose. It also shows how doing so takes the excitement out of what fiction by it's very nature is supposed to provide.

Well I guess there were enough people that thought star wars a bit far fetched or unlikely.
Back then it just wasn't a habit to go online and flame on some boards about it. Star Wars became popular before everybody could read it's "flaws" on the internet.

I mean I love ME because it gets me kind of emotionally involved, like beeing angry at the councile, but this was just far to plump.

Modifié par MDT1, 16 février 2012 - 04:51 .

[ironcreed2]

MDT1 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...

Look at movies like Star Wars. How likely is it that someone could hop into a fighter, make that death defying run at the Death Star and go on to make that one in a million shot that destroys it? Now, Star Wars is celebrated as an absolute masterpiece and questions like this are never asked. Why? Because it is fiction and Skywalker was the hero of the tale that is fulfilling his destiny. Of course he is going to defy the odds, else there would not be a tale to tell at all.

Well Luke at least tried to evade the turrets and didn't float in fron of one for 30 seconds just to see it kill the two next ships to his.

LOL, we could sit and argue little details all day, but it would be pointless. As the point still stands that, like Luke in Star Wars, Shepherd is the hero who is going to defy the odds. Not trying to hold Mass Effect up to Star Wars, just trying to illustrate that one can do the same sort of analyzing to unlikely events in even the greatest of masterpieces, if they so choose. It also shows how doing so takes the excitement out of what fiction by it's very nature is supposed to provide.

Well I guess there were enough people that thought star wars a bit far fetched or unlikely.
Back then it just wasn't a habit to go online and flame on some boards about it. Star Wars became popular before everybody could read it's "flaws" on the internet.

True enough, I suppose. At any rate, I just wanted to illustrate that we could sit and find incredible or unlikely events in any fictiononal tale, and chose to use what many hold (myself included) as the greatest sci fi epic ever told as an example. It's fiction, Shepherd is the hero and will defy the odds. Just enjoy it, people.

Modifié par ironcreed2, 16 février 2012 - 04:56 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

It would be a delight to see how Star Wars would have fared if the Internet had existed then as it does now.

We would call it overrated, insult almost every actor in it and say that they paid for all the positive reviews. And what would our reason be? Because it's popular and so it must be bad.

[AlexXIV]

Sofia Lamb wrote...

It would be a delight to see how Star Wars would have fared if the Internet had existed then as it does now.

Actually it's the same. There are people who call out Star Wars, Lucas Arts, even George Lucas himself on many things that don't make sense or are badly written, etc. It is just that 300 million people went into the movies and liked them. Here we have hundrets or throusands of people who disagree on stuff but still millions will buy it unless it gets exceptionally bad press. BSN is maybe a mirror of the complete fanbase at times, but it is not the place where opinions are made. DA2 for example has always been a hot topic but it was only bashed after actual release. When many people had played it and ratings everywhere in the net went downhill. I think over the first 2 or 3 weeks it was still better selling than DA:O it only changed much later when the actual people who don't preorder or buy at release came into the equation.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 16 février 2012 - 05:01 .

[andy6915]

ironcreed2 wrote...
LOL, we could sit and argue little details all day, but it would be pointless. As the point still stands that, like Luke in Star Wars, Shepherd is the hero who is going to defy the odds. Not trying to hold Mass Effect up to Star Wars, just trying to illustrate that one can do the same sort of analyzing to unlikely events in even the greatest of masterpieces, if they so choose. It also shows how doing so takes the excitement out of what fiction by it's very nature is supposed to provide.

So what you're saying is... Shepard has the Force?

[ironcreed2]

andy69156915 wrote...

ironcreed2 wrote...
LOL, we could sit and argue little details all day, but it would be pointless. As the point still stands that, like Luke in Star Wars, Shepherd is the hero who is going to defy the odds. Not trying to hold Mass Effect up to Star Wars, just trying to illustrate that one can do the same sort of analyzing to unlikely events in even the greatest of masterpieces, if they so choose. It also shows how doing so takes the excitement out of what fiction by it's very nature is supposed to provide.

So what you're saying is... Shepard has the Force?

Come on, man.  What I am saying is that, like Skywalker, he is the hero of a fictional tale who will defy the odds. Skywalker is merely one of countless examples that could be used.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Sofia Lamb wrote...
Does this not sound familiar?

At least we don't have a bunch of Volus hitting Reapers with rocks and beating them.

[Terminus Echoes]

The same reason Cerberus is working with the Reapers after investing fortunes into reviving Shepard to fight them.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And what "target rich enviroment"
Name ONE better traget than Normandy.

I'll name two targets - Shuttle #1 and Shuttle #2. They were both closer than the Normandy, and posed as much of a threat as the Normandy. In other words, no threat at all. If you're squishing ants, you go after the ones closest to you first.

Seriously though, everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill here. I can't believe this actually made it to 13 pages! Good old BSN, eh?

Bollocks.
Normandy is a heavy frigate that carries a lot of pople. It is an important asset to the alliance.

Watehr you're looking to maxime bodycount or damage to the alliance - Normandy was a far better target.

And I ask again - The Normandy was howering there for a minute. What were the reapers around it doing all that time?

[nitefyre410]

Well Mass Effect 3 should kinda play like this then.. Player presses Start.

*Normandy gets blown out the sky while escaping*

Game over - Reapers win..

Bioware: thanks for the 60 bucks... trorolololololololololol

[Valikdu]

-The four-legged construct is just a war machine and not an actual Reaper and was confused by Normandy's Reaper IFF.

[Lotion Soronarr]

MDT1 wrote...
-Sry didn't know that everything in an atmosphere automatically surrounded by a heat the differs from the actual air temparature.
- naturally, but whats your point here, I just said the Normandy would probably have anti radar systems that fit for her size and purpose.
-Reapers don't have the handicap of a Human tank crew, that they actually have to see something. Perhaps ther other sensor systems, whatever they might be, never failed them.  Also even if reapers see a wider spectrum then we, that doesn't automtically mean that our spectrum is part of theirs.

- it does actually. In space, there is no matter to transfer heat. Big difference.

- Doesn't matter. Radar stealth system work only on smaller things on bigger distances. Newer radars are getting better and better at seeing trough it.

- Do you even know what you're talking about? Spectrum does not dictate visibility as you think it does. If the reapers couldnt' see in our spectrum, that doesn't mean they can't see things. Ultra-violet or infra-red...neither are OUR spectrum. I cna see you very well in both of those.
You are seriously postulating that reaeprs have worse optical detectors than we have? The same reapers that can see directly trough the eyes of the husk/avatar/whatever?

[Lotion Soronarr]

seirhart wrote...

on a side note you want to know why the normandy didn't move away faster even though it was slowly moving away, was because some moron *shepard* thought it would be great idea to just stand there wide open. Since the rear of the ship was open joker couldn't move that fast in fear of tossing shepard out of the ship.

Indeed. Taht was even worse..The Normandy, sorounded by Reapers, lifting off AGONIZIGLY slow, so Shep can look at hte kind.

If Bio was smart, they would have put the scene with the kid before the Normandy arrived to pick em up. Have shep and Anderson watch from a building, the reaper kills the shuttles and walk away, and they both dash to Normandy pickup (on the way Anderson declares he will stay), who goes in and out fast.

There you go. Every "emotional" moment, no gaping WTF? moments.

[IanPolaris]

Everyone,

Some points:

1. I think it's pretty well established that the Collectors could see right though the Normandy's Stealth systems even if they could work in an atmosphere (which according to the technical explainations they can't). If collectors can see the Normandy, then the Reapers certainly can.

2. An IFF is very much ship specific and the Reapers know perfectly well who has that particuar IFF. A dumb relay like the Omega-4 relay can be fooled, but the Reapers? Not a chance.

3. Even today, it is easy with computer assist to pick out priority targets even with a lot of screening activity trying to protect it (our modern missiles do this routinely). The Reapers are vastly more advanced.

Now you can simply pass this off to simply bad writing (and frankly the Demo was FULL of bad writing which confirms for me the bad writing that was found in the leak), but in this case there is another reasonable explaination.

The Reapers let Shepard go,

That is my working hypothesis. The Reapers still want Shepard's body and want it fairly badly at least enough to take some minor risks and impose some minor disadvantages. That would mean not firing on the Normandy (and it wasn't like the Normandy was going to make any difference in that battle anyway).

-Polaris

[Sajuro]

Vengeful Nature wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

- Reapers dont have human emotions - they dont care, they dont do vengeance, hold grudge, ...

Yes they do.

People need to shrug off this notion that Reaper's are anything more than another race in the galaxy. Geth are more alien to people than the Reapers are. They just have giant, powerful ships and are really old.

They're giant, godlike (read: sublime indifference) AI warships. What makes you think they'd have emotions?

Everything Sovereign said during the course of ME1 perhaps? His dialogue was soaked with arrogance. Not to mention this jewel: "I am sovereign AND THIS STATION IS MINE!"
Then Harbinger taunting Shepard throughout the second game, hiding his annoyance that this little bug was messing up their plans.
They are sentient, that's what makes me think they have emotions.

[Worried Mitch]

So the new fav excuse is the reaper iff. Why is there a mini game in which you have to escape the reapers on the galaxy map? Hmm. Seeing as how they can apparently detect the Normandy while travelling in space. I propose, as a mental exercise, the question: why couldn't a reaper aiming directly at the Normandy within a couple hundred yards or so, with the Normandy stationary, detect it? Also to the people saying the reapers are squashing the "bugs" and aren't concerned with the minor threat of warships; why did the reaper seemingly prioritize the "dreadnought" over raising another building or two?

This isn't going to dampen my enjoyment of the game in any meaningful way so I'm not angry. I just would like people to making excuses for lazy writing, which is all this really is.

[Lotion Soronarr]

IanPolaris wrote...

Everyone,

Some points:

1. I think it's pretty well established that the Collectors could see right though the Normandy's Stealth systems even if they could work in an atmosphere (which according to the technical explainations they can't). If collectors can see the Normandy, then the Reapers certainly can.

2. An IFF is very much ship specific and the Reapers know perfectly well who has that particuar IFF. A dumb relay like the Omega-4 relay can be fooled, but the Reapers? Not a chance.

3. Even today, it is easy with computer assist to pick out priority targets even with a lot of screening activity trying to protect it (our modern missiles do this routinely). The Reapers are vastly more advanced.

Now you can simply pass this off to simply bad writing (and frankly the Demo was FULL of bad writing which confirms for me the bad writing that was found in the leak), but in this case there is another reasonable explaination.

The Reapers let Shepard go,

That is my working hypothesis. The Reapers still want Shepard's body and want it fairly badly at least enough to take some minor risks and impose some minor disadvantages. That would mean not firing on the Normandy (and it wasn't like the Normandy was going to make any difference in that battle anyway).

-Polaris

That might explain why they didn't fire, but it doesn't explain why the Nomandy and Shep were so slow.
Do THEY know the reapers wont' target them?
Did Joker just twiddle his thumbs unconcerned while Shep was chatting with Anderson?
did he forgot to hit the throttle during liftoff?

[a load of stanton]

well they did destroy a dreadnought just before the normandy came i think they were satisfied for the day

Modifié par a load of stanton, 16 février 2012 - 06:06 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Worried Mitch wrote...

This isn't going to dampen my enjoyment of the game in any meaningful way so I'm not angry. I just would like people to making excuses for lazy writing, which is all this really is.

This does affect my enjoyment - if only slightly. But I do agree.
People making lazy excuses pisses me off more than the mistake itself.

[string3r]

Because the power of plot demanded it so.