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[incinerator950]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Why did the Reapers even land? Can't they bombard the planet from orbit?

You can't harvest humans if they've been vaporized.

Yeah that is why they are going to take their time with earth.  Not to mention they also want to convert people into husks to build up their ground army.

It only takes several billion beings to make the Reaper Dreadnought.  If it fails, it fails, but they have a plan in place.

[Sgt Stryker]

Taleroth wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...


You can't harvest humans if they've been vaporized.

Those are harvesting lasers they're firing. Not vaporizing lasers.

Those "lasers" (which aren't lasers at all, but the equivalent of Thanix cannons) are also not a Sovereign-type Reaper's main armament. They have a spinal-mounted mass accelerator, at least Sovereign did. I presume those are used in orbital bombardments to reduce cities to a glowing sheet of glass.

[Mike Shepard]

Ringo12 wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

For the same reason the Emperor didn't just force lift Luke and throw him into the core of the death star, the same reason Boba didn't simply disintegrate Luke in Jabba's Palace, and the same reason You never actually see Obi-Wan's head roll off--anticlimatic,
Imagine the scene:

Shepard - on board the Normandy - Joker get us out of here!
<reaper lasers>
<Normandy blows up>
<Game ends>

The Emperor wanted to corrupt and turn Luke to the dark side and he almost succeeded.
Sarlaacs DO NOT digest something in a matter of minutes they disgest over 
millenia.
Obi-Wan turned into the force.

So why didn't the Normandy get blown out of the sky? 

I am sorry I think you missed my point

It would have been anticlimatic after around one and a half movies of planning Luke's fall to the dark side, he decided when Luke basically said "bite me"  to simply throw him down the shaft of the Death Star.
It would have been anticlimatic if when Luke shows up and starts making demands Boba just shot him with a weapon capable of disinigration (like a disruptor gun).
It would have been anticlimatic if after Obi-Wan taught Luke what he did--and he did teach him a fair bit in the short time--he got decapitated. Rather, he turned into the force right before he died thus depriving Vader the satisfaction of killing him.

And, it would be really anti-climatic if after two games of ranting about the Reapers, they blow the Normandy to bits within the first 10 minutes of the third.

Anti-climatic. Built up expectations of what will occur are shattered when something completely different occurs.

[Mr. Sheepgood]

kalle90 wrote...

I thought Shep was gonna die in the council room. Atleast Anderson when he was standing in the center of the destruction calling for Shep.

Then Shep almost got zapped by laser 2 times and then the 3rd time he fell a good 50 meters.

Really? Shep just keeps cheating death. I wonder how many times he does during the rest of the game.

Total tally: 1 death (which didn't last) and 500 near deaths. The new badass record.

I assumed he was wearing some kind of combat gear and that his belt was actually a utility belt capable of creating a small mass effect field like the armors he wears. Which is also why there's a shield when he gets shot.

As for the OP question - it's just bad writing man.

Modifié par Mr. Sheepgood, 15 février 2012 - 09:33 .

[graciegrace]

Maybe the cloaking was on. There's nothing that indicates reapers "see" like we do.

[Taleroth]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...


You can't harvest humans if they've been vaporized.

Those are harvesting lasers they're firing. Not vaporizing lasers.

Those "lasers" (which aren't lasers at all, but the equivalent of Thanix cannons) are also not a Sovereign-type Reaper's main armament. They have a spinal-mounted mass accelerator, at least Sovereign did. I presume those are used in orbital bombardments to reduce cities to a glowing sheet of glass.

That's good to know. Should I revise my statement to harvesting mass accelerators?

Or should I cut the snark and just clarify that the only thing the Reapers were doing was blowing stuff up. There's no need to harvest a military target when civilian targets will be easier to harvest once a military target is completely destroyed, anyway.

I'll miss the snark. Maybe next thread.

Modifié par Taleroth, 15 février 2012 - 09:36 .

[Klijpope]

The reapers could be like the geth. As in, not use the 'visual' spectrum for seeing (as Legion says when approaching the Heretic station). Then Normandy's stealth systems could be effective.

There could be several plausible reasons for it. However, my critique would be the fact that the Normandy just hangs there while Shepard watches the carnage. The PoV view remains fixed - not turning and receding as if the Normandy was preparing to leave. But, tis but a nitpick.

Being picky (), how about the motionless reaper in the background before you get to the radio...

Modifié par Klijpope, 15 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[Knight of Bronze]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Why did the Reapers even land? Can't they bombard the planet from orbit?

You can't harvest humans if they've been vaporized.

Well you CAN....


But you need a realy big vacuum...

[E-Type XR]

Shepard had the Plot Armour XII applied to the Normandy.

/topic

[Sgt Stryker]

Taleroth wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...


You can't harvest humans if they've been vaporized.

Those are harvesting lasers they're firing. Not vaporizing lasers.

Those "lasers" (which aren't lasers at all, but the equivalent of Thanix cannons) are also not a Sovereign-type Reaper's main armament. They have a spinal-mounted mass accelerator, at least Sovereign did. I presume those are used in orbital bombardments to reduce cities to a glowing sheet of glass.

That's good to know. Should I revise my statement to harvesting mass accelerators?

Or should I cut the snark and just clarify that the only thing the Reapers were doing was blowing stuff up. There's no need to harvest a military target when civilian targets will be easier to harvest once a military target is completely destroyed, anyway.

I'll miss the snark. Maybe next thread.

That military target also happened to be in the middle of a city. It's likely an orbital strike would also cause unneeded collateral damage to the surrounding city. I really don't see anything wrong with the way the Reapers handled the attack, honestly.

[Drake-Shepard]

Were the reapers blindly shooting as they were descending, cos they were not in orbit as you left.

When you leave the earth you see some alliance aircraft debris...maybe they just jetted straight through them, so there was no need to have an orbital presence.

Maybe the super long darkspace journey, (plan was even longer then expected because you blew up the mass relay in arrival and they were too weak to chill in orbit and went for a high risk land on planet and gather resources strategy,

It could be that landing on a planet asap is the best strategy because most races have defences made to shoot targets in orbit b'cos that is wear an invasion force will be and not expecting them to land straight away.

Hopefully the full game fills in the gaps or I will have this annoyance hanging over me when i finish it

[_PseudoHero]

Mike Shepard wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

For the same reason the Emperor didn't just force lift Luke and throw him into the core of the death star, the same reason Boba didn't simply disintegrate Luke in Jabba's Palace, and the same reason You never actually see Obi-Wan's head roll off--anticlimatic,
Imagine the scene:

Shepard - on board the Normandy - Joker get us out of here!
<reaper lasers>
<Normandy blows up>
<Game ends>

The Emperor wanted to corrupt and turn Luke to the dark side and he almost succeeded.
Sarlaacs DO NOT digest something in a matter of minutes they disgest over 
millenia.
Obi-Wan turned into the force.

So why didn't the Normandy get blown out of the sky? 

I am sorry I think you missed my point

It would have been anticlimatic after around one and a half movies of planning Luke's fall to the dark side, he decided when Luke basically said "bite me"  to simply throw him down the shaft of the Death Star.
It would have been anticlimatic if when Luke shows up and starts making demands Boba just shot him with a weapon capable of disinigration (like a disruptor gun).
It would have been anticlimatic if after Obi-Wan taught Luke what he did--and he did teach him a fair bit in the short time--he got decapitated. Rather, he turned into the force right before he died thus depriving Vader the satisfaction of killing him.

And, it would be really anti-climatic if after two games of ranting about the Reapers, they blow the Normandy to bits within the first 10 minutes of the third.

Anti-climatic. Built up expectations of what will occur are shattered when something completely different occurs.

This. But if you really need a reason...The Reapers do not fear organics, our extinction is inevitable. We exist because they allow it, and we'll die because they demand it. An escaping ship is of no concern or consequence. They have all eternity to hunt the Normandy.

[Chromie]

Mike Shepard wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

For the same reason the Emperor didn't just force lift Luke and throw him into the core of the death star, the same reason Boba didn't simply disintegrate Luke in Jabba's Palace, and the same reason You never actually see Obi-Wan's head roll off--anticlimatic,
Imagine the scene:

Shepard - on board the Normandy - Joker get us out of here!
<reaper lasers>
<Normandy blows up>
<Game ends>

The Emperor wanted to corrupt and turn Luke to the dark side and he almost succeeded.
Sarlaacs DO NOT digest something in a matter of minutes they disgest over 
millenia.
Obi-Wan turned into the force.

So why didn't the Normandy get blown out of the sky? 

I am sorry I think you missed my point

It would have been anticlimatic after around one and a half movies of planning Luke's fall to the dark side, he decided when Luke basically said "bite me"  to simply throw him down the shaft of the Death Star.
It would have been anticlimatic if when Luke shows up and starts making demands Boba just shot him with a weapon capable of disinigration (like a disruptor gun).
It would have been anticlimatic if after Obi-Wan taught Luke what he did--and he did teach him a fair bit in the short time--he got decapitated. Rather, he turned into the force right before he died thus depriving Vader the satisfaction of killing him.

And, it would be really anti-climatic if after two games of ranting about the Reapers, they blow the Normandy to bits within the first 10 minutes of the third.

Anti-climatic. Built up expectations of what will occur are shattered when something completely different occurs.

I get your point you just chose horrible examples. 


There are reason why (I just pointed out) that your examples aren't good there is no reason why a Reaper couldn't simply have fired a beam at the Normandy. 

Like you said the Emperor was planning to turn Luke to the dark side which he realized wasn't going to happen but before that what did he do? He tried one final time to turn Luke by showing him how futile his attack was on the Death Star and how everything and everyone he loved would die. He thought Luke would turn because of this but he did not. 

Jabba is a dick and he likes to toy with people who ask him favors/demands/request etc. but instead of having Bobba shoot him he did drop him into a Rancor pit which he thought would kill him. 


We know Qui-Gon had turned into the force and came back to speak/teach Obi-wan after Episode III ends so Obi-wan has been preparing for almost 30 years for his death he even warned Vader he'd become powerful.

Like I said there were reasons for the way things happened in Star Wars did. There is no reason (not to my knowledge) for a Reaper to ignore the Normandy. You'd think Shepard would be on the Reapers top 10 most wanted list and he/she would be the target they try to stop at all costs. If the Normandy appeared invisible on say scanners then at least we'd learn more about the Reapers being blind but instead a Reaper decides to kill two other speeders (for lack of a better word) and leave it at that even though they are in line of sigh of the Normandy.

_PseudoHero wrote...


This. But if you really need a reason...The Reapers do not fear organics, our extinction is inevitable. We exist because they allow it, and we'll die because they demand it. An escaping ship is of no concern or consequence. They have all eternity to hunt the Normandy.

This really? 

Maybe the Reapers don't fear organics but they do realize how much of a threat Shepard is and the Human race is in general. Other wise what the hell was the point of the baby Reaper in Mass Effect 2? Why did Harbginer personally try killing Shepard?

They may not fear them but that doesn't mean they aren't dangerous.

Modifié par Ringo12, 15 février 2012 - 09:49 .

[Gabey5]

Shepard upgraded the Normandy's plot armour

the reaper randomly blows up two shuttles who are no threat and let's a warship leave unharmed

also they know the normandy

and they could see shepard getting

and did nothing while shepard wacthed in slow motion the kids shuttle exploding

Modifié par Gabey5, 15 février 2012 - 09:47 .

[Skullheart]

Mass Effect fields

[seirhart]

corporal doody wrote...

maybe they still want Shepard? They recognize the Normandy and didnt WANT to blow it up?

This is exactly what I believe, I think that the reapers knew that ship was the normandy and the queen bee reaper if you will says we want s/he intact do not destroy the normandy. When the normandy started heading towards the sky was the perfect time to shoot the normandy down as well.

[DJBare]

graciegrace wrote...

Maybe the cloaking was on. There's nothing that indicates reapers "see" like we do.

The most powerful force in the known galaxy that consist of both organic and inorganic componants, are highly intelligent, but did not come up with a way to see in the visual spectrum?

[Chromie]

Gabey5 wrote...

Shepard upgraded the Normandy's plot armour

the reaper randomly blows up two shuttles who are no threat and let's a warship leave unharmed

also they know the normandy

and they could see shepard getting

and did nothing while shepard wacthed in slow motion the kids shuttle exploding

Is the Normandy we saw a different ship entirely?

[Taleroth]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

It's likely an orbital strike would also cause unneeded collateral damage to the surrounding city.

Boohoo? I don't think that should be a concern of the Reapers.

I really don't see anything wrong with the way the Reapers handled the attack, honestly.

It failed to take simple and reasonable measures to quickly destroy the planet's fighting force. Which will lead to the formation of resistance.

Hey, it's cool for resistance to form. We want that. But it's best if resistance forms and survives due to its own capabilities. Overcoming hardship. Not because the villains have a blind spot for basic strategy.

Modifié par Taleroth, 15 février 2012 - 09:52 .

[MerchantGOL]

DJBare wrote...

graciegrace wrote...

Maybe the cloaking was on. There's nothing that indicates reapers "see" like we do.

The most powerful force in the known galaxy that consist of both organic and inorganic componants, are highly intelligent, but did not come up with a way to see in the visual spectrum?

its probly beneath them, seriously have you played the game?

[Gabey5]

Ringo12 wrote...

Gabey5 wrote...

Shepard upgraded the Normandy's plot armour

the reaper randomly blows up two shuttles who are no threat and let's a warship leave unharmed

also they know the normandy

and they could see shepard getting

and did nothing while shepard wacthed in slow motion the kids shuttle exploding

Is the Normandy we saw a different ship entirely?

Not sure, it was mostly functional at the end, they just needed to repairs

but that is a good excuse for them to revamp the interior

[Gabey5]

Knight of Bronze wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Maj.Pain007 wrote...

Why did the Reapers even land? Can't they bombard the planet from orbit?

You can't harvest humans if they've been vaporized.

Well you CAN....


But you need a realy big vacuum...

the smart thing would be to bomb the military installations from orbit

rather than landing immediately and having dog fighst with shuttles

Modifié par Gabey5, 15 février 2012 - 09:54 .

[DJBare]

MerchantGOL wrote...its probly beneath them, seriously have you played the game?

Is that a serious question?, since ME1 and several play's of each, if Reapers have one weakness it's their arrogance certainly not their eye sight.

[wrdnshprd]

Mike Shepard wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Mike Shepard wrote...

For the same reason the Emperor didn't just force lift Luke and throw him into the core of the death star, the same reason Boba didn't simply disintegrate Luke in Jabba's Palace, and the same reason You never actually see Obi-Wan's head roll off--anticlimatic,
Imagine the scene:

Shepard - on board the Normandy - Joker get us out of here!
<reaper lasers>
<Normandy blows up>
<Game ends>

The Emperor wanted to corrupt and turn Luke to the dark side and he almost succeeded.
Sarlaacs DO NOT digest something in a matter of minutes they disgest over 
millenia.
Obi-Wan turned into the force.

So why didn't the Normandy get blown out of the sky? 

I am sorry I think you missed my point

It would have been anticlimatic after around one and a half movies of planning Luke's fall to the dark side, he decided when Luke basically said "bite me"  to simply throw him down the shaft of the Death Star.
It would have been anticlimatic if when Luke shows up and starts making demands Boba just shot him with a weapon capable of disinigration (like a disruptor gun).
It would have been anticlimatic if after Obi-Wan taught Luke what he did--and he did teach him a fair bit in the short time--he got decapitated. Rather, he turned into the force right before he died thus depriving Vader the satisfaction of killing him.

And, it would be really anti-climatic if after two games of ranting about the Reapers, they blow the Normandy to bits within the first 10 minutes of the third.

Anti-climatic. Built up expectations of what will occur are shattered when something completely different occurs.

i understand what you are saying, but i initially brought this up from a lore standpoint.. however, as some have brought up, the reapers may not have wanted to destroy shephard on earth.. 

they basically want him to see his people die and want him to observe his home get destroyed.. in the end they think a small crew such as his wont matter and its just a matter of time before shephard's taken out too.. mind as well let him suffer in the meantime.

too bad that mentality is going to come back to bite the reapers in the end.. as it always does with these kinds of things

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 15 février 2012 - 09:58 .

[MerchantGOL]

DJBare wrote...

MerchantGOL wrote...its probly beneath them, seriously have you played the game?

Is that a serious question?, since ME1 and several play's of each, if Reapers have one weakness it's their arrogance certainly not their eye sight.

they may not even have eyes not as w  know em, why would they need to see like organics

they are  obviously blind to the normandy's stealth systems as the Normandy evaded Soveriegn all through out me1

or did you just convinently forget that

Modifié par MerchantGOL, 15 février 2012 - 09:57 .