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[trackboy186]

I'm fairly certain that Vigil gave us all the reasoning we need. The reapers are patient, thorough, and without mercy. One ship now isn't going to matter. The reapers are here and will get Shepard eventually, right?

[felipejiraya]

Because Mass Effect 3 would be the shortest game in the trilogy.

[Worried Mitch]

I don't get how the explanation for the normandy not being destroyed is that the game would've ended. It's not as if the scene with the reaper blowing up the kid and other shuttles was some external creation. The writers wrote that scene and the writers kept the normandy there, they could have just as easily used what little imagination they have to construct a scene in which there is some emotional impact but the normandy still makes its speedy escape.

[CrisisOne]

Worried Mitch wrote...

I don't get how the explanation for the normandy not being destroyed is that the game would've ended. It's not as if the scene with the reaper blowing up the kid and other shuttles was some external creation. The writers wrote that scene and the writers kept the normandy there, they could have just as easily used what little imagination they have to construct a scene in which there is some emotional impact but the normandy still makes its speedy escape.

I originally thought it was the normandy's stealth system...

[BaronIveagh]

The Normandy II got a plot armor upgrade between games.

[Grubish]

I believe that the Normandy didn't get blown up because the reapers were already pre-occupied with destroying "their" section of the city. You can argue that that one reaper destroyed that dreadnought How ever the dreadnought was attacking the reaper so the reaper attacked it. Same can be said for the walking reaper. It blows up those transports and immediately after gets attacked by some ground forces if you look closely and decides to deal with them.

[Chuvvy]

Why did they just fly the eagles to Mordor?

Modifié par Slidell505, 16 février 2012 - 02:55 .

[NPH11]

[quote]wrdnshprd wrote...

We don't know how reapers "see" though.  Chances are they rely on sensors of some sort and don't have physical eyes (although harbinger has those glowing lights that look like they could be eyes)[/quote]
[/quote]

That's what I would assume. We really have no clue how the Reapers "see"

[quote]wrdnshprd wrote...

again, if that were the case, how did they take out the transport ships?  my main issue was they litterally saw shephard in the flesh.  i would think they would have the technology to see him in that respect.
[/quote] 

Because the transport ships were the closest target? Perhaps they didn't see Shepard. He was a fair distance away, I doubt the Reaper could distinguish individual targets at that point. And as others have said, the Normandy wasn't engaging anybody, those transports were dropping off troops directly in front of the Reaper.

Also, do we even know if the other Reapers care about Shepard at all? Sovereign would've, but he's dead. Harbringer might, if Reapers can even hold a grudge, but, assuming each Reaper is sentient, would other Reapers care about some guy who screwed Harbringer's plan up? Would they assume he is a major threat, or would they assume Harbringer just screwed up somehow. There's a lot of interesting questions to be asked. Perhaps the other Reapers just see Shepard as a anomaly and not some major threat to their mission, if that's the case, they would have no reason to target him specifically.

Modifié par NPH11, 16 février 2012 - 02:56 .

[Ryuu814]

I could also gauge a guess that the Stealth Systems were improved somewhat? We have to remember the Reapers, while being hyper-advance are also synthetics and in essence, just computers it could be that they were easily fooled by stealth systems of the Normandy and while they were attacking Earth, they wouldn't have noticed such a glitch in their scanners.

Just a guess but it's the most logical one I could think of.

[bobhampt]

Because Ashly is a reaper mole. Remember her getting stung by the reaper swarm things in ME2? Hell, I don't know.

Modifié par bobhampt, 16 février 2012 - 03:03 .

[KevShep]

I ve wondered why that reaper that killed the kid didnt also kill shepard. Even shepard acts like he is in no danger and just stands there dispite a reaper within firing range.

[Halo Quea]

You would have thought every Reaper in the vicinity would have yelled, "It's the Normandy, it's Shepard!!" Instead of shooting down defenseless shuttles, take down the frigate that has been a thorn in their sides from the beginning.

Oh well, as others have said.............plot armor.

[NPH11]

Halo Quea wrote...

You would have thought every Reaper in the vicinity would have yelled, "It's the Normandy, it's Shepard!!" Instead of shooting down defenseless shuttles, take down the frigate that has been a thorn in their sides from the beginning.
 

But again, why?

Shepard has been a "thorn" in the side of two Reapers, one of which is dead. Despite that, the Reapers are still completely confident that they will be victorious? Assuming each Reaper is sentient, why should Shepard matter to some random Reaper that isn't Harbringer? As far as the other Reapers may know, perhaps Harbringer is just anidiot (Reaper-wise) and Shepard is just an anomaly. If Harbringer was the one attacking Alliance HQ, I would expect him to attack the Normandy, but beyond that the other Reapers probably still don't consider Shepard a threat. To them, he's just another organic.

Modifié par NPH11, 16 février 2012 - 03:22 .

[PsychoWARD23]

It's just funny the double standard.


"Why are they focusing on Earth?"
"Because of Shepard"

"Why didn't they kill Shepard?"
"They're sentient machines"

[CrisisOne]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

It's just funny the double standard.


"Why are they focusing on Earth?"
"Because of Shepard"

"Why didn't they kill Shepard?"
"They're sentient machines"

Aren't they attacking the other races aswell not just earth? the whole galactic war thing and all...

[NPH11]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

It's just funny the double standard.


"Why are they focusing on Earth?"
"Because of Shepard"

"Why didn't they kill Shepard?"
"They're sentient machines"

The people claiming that they're attacking Earth because of Shepard are... well... fools I suppose. The Reapers don't care about Shepard, they're so overly confident in their abilities that they barely consider him a threat, an annoyance at best.

Also, keeping the galactic map in mind, Earth is the closest major target to the Viper Nebula, the point where the Reapers intended to reach the galaxy during Arrival. It makes sense that Earth would be targeted first and foremost.

Modifié par NPH11, 16 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Slidell505 wrote...

Why did they just fly the eagles to Mordor?

The nazgul had their felbeasts. That and the all seeing eye had the place garrisoned until he caught a case of stupid and sent everything at Gondor.

[Sashimi_taco]

MerchantGOL wrote...

Because the Normandy is invisible because of it stealth systems.

I agree with this. I think that maybe the reapers are semi like the geth in that they don't see using light but rather with sensing energy readouts. Things that pervieve light are usually very delicate and are easy targets. Maybe they design of the reapers decided on different ways of sensing things in order to make a more durable body?

[DrWilhelm]

If present day humanity can invent the Kinect, a device that uses motion sensors to identify key points of human anatomy, how come a race of mind bogglingly ancient and advanced machine gods couldn't create motion sensors capable of identifying a millitary target?

Similarly creating a device able to mimic an organic ocular organ should also be child's play for an advanced race such as the Reapers. Sovereign and Harbinger both seemed pretty convinced of their races total superiority, so I'd have thought that the fact that they were so obviously visually impaired in comparison to those lowly organics would have been quickly pointed out and rectified.

Come to think of it, the Normandy's front door was wide open. Surely that would severely impair the stealth system's ability to mask heat emissions? Besides, as I remember it, at no point in Mass Effect 2 were collector vessels fooled by said stealth system. I took this to mean that Reaper tech was advanced enough to see past them, at least once they were aware that the system existed.

And if the Reaper could see the Normandy, why only shoot the shuttles? Why prioritise unarmed civillian targets over millitary targets, especially one that Harbinger must have labelled as a high threat. It's also baffling when you remember the Reapers goal. Harvest organic life to create new Reapers. I suspect that organics are hard to harvest when they're reduced to so many vaporised particles blowing in the wind.

And to those people pointing out how it would make for a short game; well then, the developers shouldn't have written themselves into a corner in a weak and cliched attempt to create emotional impact.

I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt here, because there's plenty of opportunity for this to be explained in events subsequent to the demo's first half, but as things stand the scene just doesn't make any sense.

Modifié par DrWilhelm, 16 février 2012 - 04:42 .

[hectorkbrn]

You people just **** about everything don't you? Each thread that pops up keep getting even more ridiculous......

[wolfennights]

Worried Mitch wrote...

I don't get how the explanation for the normandy not being destroyed is that the game would've ended. It's not as if the scene with the reaper blowing up the kid and other shuttles was some external creation. The writers wrote that scene and the writers kept the normandy there, they could have just as easily used what little imagination they have to construct a scene in which there is some emotional impact but the normandy still makes its speedy escape.

Eeyup.

People need to quit excusing lazy writing.

[snfonseka]

Because then Shepard doesn't have a place to stay during ME3.

[Shifty Assassin]

1. The Normandy is famous for its stealth systems.
2. I dont think we know for certain that reapers can see (with eyes).
3. Who wants to pay $100 for a 10 min game.
4. Plot armour.
5. Joker is a skilled Pilot
6. Does it even matter that much?

[Unfallen_Satan]

One possible explanation is that the Reaper that blew up the two transports got drunk with killing and forgot all rational decision making. The transports were closer and were easy targets, so it just seized that opportunity first. It might have tried to attack the Normandy after, but Normandy is a tough ship and already on her way out, so the Reaper missed its mark. But Reapers are AI, how do they get drunk with killing? Then again, they are very old machines, maybe they are AI with some human-like emotions.

There are other possible explanations too, but really none are that great. I am just happy that Shepard didn't die with the Normandy before ME 3 could even properly start.