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[Dragoonlordz]

 As mentioned in the thread title, a general forum poll regarding how it was handled. 

Genuine curiosity about how the state and consensus among forumites regarding this issue.

As for myself regarding the discussion about the options listed, I said pretty much all of what I needed to in my review listed in my signature and in the lack of trial thread. However due to the trial being just one aspect of discussion regarding the introduction I created this poll for broader sense and curiosity.

Poll

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 08:49 .

[RenownedRyan]

Hopefully it's handled differently in the game. The breakneck pacing was ridiculous. Where is Shepard's trial?

[AgitatedLemon]

Isn't the ME3 opening set after the trial, anyway? That's what I've always thought.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

but we don't know if that was the full introduction


wtf I'm confused have people played the full game already

[Dragoonlordz]

I can only go by what have seen and played, which is why I have tended to avoid getting into promises of what will happen later from the developers simply because I have not seen or experienced that. I only had the demo to go on for making an actual judgement on what to expect given the demo in principle is to showcase what to expect in the full game. Obviously there may well be more dialogue added later in the game which may cover certain things but by that time as far as I am concerned it is no longer part of the introduction and the introduction is the part I created the poll for.

The one thing we do know from what Chris has told us is that what we see in the demo is what we will get in at the start of the game. For me the Earth element is the introduction and that is the part they showed which claim is same in retail game. I don't plan to hold anything against those who do not feel same way I voted or feel different as everyone is completely free to have different opinions. My own stance is located as mentioned in my first post.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[hawat333]

Too rushed in my opinion.
But maybe we get a two-hour conversation segment after that, catching up with the world on the Normandy, we can never know. Or we can, in a couple of weeks.

But in this state, yeah, too rushed.

[RenownedRyan]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Isn't the ME3 opening set after the trial, anyway? That's what I've always thought.

I guess I imagined it would pick up where "Arrival" left off.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I'm looking very forward to ME3 and I'm absolutely not one of those pre-order cancelled guys (Paid mine off fully the day after the damn thing was announced). But I do agree, the intro as it was in the demo was kind of lame. I'm hoping that maybe that's just the non-import version, and the import version may be a bit proper? I mean, they don't explain why you're in prison, they don't explain who this Vega guy is, they don't explain you losing your rank. It's all a bit too quick.

[Balek-Vriege]

It's rushed if there is no follow up, preferably right after escaping Earth. Everyone can agree the opening cinematic, the scrolling text and the Earth mission give a good rundown on the very basics of ME background, but doesn't go into any depth. There's also another option in which they can explain ME1, ME2 and your decisions over the course of the game. I would be ok with that as well.

However it is confirmed that James Vega is the sounding board for explaining back story via dialogue.  The "newbie" with no background fighting the Reapers or following Shep and gets clued in over time. I'm pretty sure he's a forced party member for the next mission along with Ash/Kaiden as well, who meet up with a certain someone.  Also the very nature of that next mission ties right back into ME1.

Modifié par Balek-Vriege, 15 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[Dragoonlordz]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I'm looking very forward to ME3 and I'm absolutely not one of those pre-order cancelled guys (Paid mine off fully the day after the damn thing was announced). But I do agree, the intro as it was in the demo was kind of lame. I'm hoping that maybe that's just the non-import version, and the import version may be a bit proper? I mean, they don't explain why you're in prison, they don't explain who this Vega guy is, they don't explain you losing your rank. It's all a bit too quick.

I can't really make a judgement call on imports obviously because the demo never allowed it.

I hope has a major impact personally (if has any at all) but I can't say it will or wont, does or doesn't at this stage.

I am doubtful will have much if any though. Not in the introduction at least going by all I have read/heard so far.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 09:11 .

[Rudy Lis]

All introductional-tutorial part of demo, right from the beggining till Normandy departure could be cut out and replaced with Anderson's words: "Consider yourself reinstated". That's saved some time wasted on some murky waters wading, because right as Wraith 02 stated - I "have no ****ing idea what is going on".

[AlexXIV]

I found neither of the choices in your poll satisfying.

[Dragoonlordz]

AlexXIV wrote...

I found neither of the choices in your poll satisfying.

Your alternatives would have been?

[Pineappletree]

While I'm not a typical forum complainer and generally cautious with critique (I still think DA2 is a pretty good - allthough flawed - game, to give you some perspective) I have to say the pacing of the intro is pretty horrible.

No exposition, no character introductions, no building of suspense - just a race from "there's something on our radar" to "it's the end of the world - and look at the poor children!!!".

I know (and I hope it's a fact and not just a rumor) that there is a significant part of dialogue and character interaction cut out of the demo levels due to download size restrictions, so I won't asume too much about the final game

But besides my "imported" Shepard looking like her own grandma now it WAS one of the two big letdowns I had with this demo...

Modifié par FdL_Ananas, 15 février 2012 - 09:37 .

[Wulfram]

I don't know about rushed. I think the main problem was that the time we did get was wasted on the useless defence committee scene

[WolfForce99]

hawat333 wrote...

Too rushed in my opinion.
But maybe we get a two-hour conversation segment after that, catching up with the world on the Normandy, we can never know. Or we can, in a couple of weeks.

But in this state, yeah, too rushed.

[Cosmar]

I hope it's handled differently, with more care. I thought the ME1 intro was done quite nicely. You had control over Shepard, could talk to everyone about what you wanted, or talk to no one and just get to it. I appreciate the cinematic style they're trying to introduce, but I would still prefer to have control and have the fireworks kick in at a certain point after you're done talking. In ME1, that point was when you met Nihlus in the back of the ship. Once you went in there, there was no going back. I think the ME3 intro could (should?) be similar, in that once you go in to speak with the defense council, then is when the "point of no return" would be and when the real scripted cinematic stuff starts happening. Just my 2 cents though...

[Dragoonlordz]

@ Wulfram

Rushed is the term coined and used most for those who felt it was too short in the feedback thread on this subject.

That is the reason I used that wording.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 09:44 .

[FlashedMyDrive]

aLucidMind wrote...

I didn't mind it; it was fitting to me because it sets the mood the game should have. The last thing you want to do is saunter along and chat with everyone when you know that giant machines are starting their galactic harvest/purging cycle. While I don't mind not seeing the trial, I was looking forward to seeing it.

They should get rid of story elements in the game because they are too slow paced and take away from the action. Who needs a proper introduction when you can start SHOOTAN STUFF! WOO!

[kalle90]

Cosmar wrote...

I hope it's handled differently, with more care. I thought the ME1 intro was done quite nicely. You had control over Shepard, could talk to everyone about what you wanted, or talk to no one and just get to it. I appreciate the cinematic style they're trying to introduce, but I would still prefer to have control and have the fireworks kick in at a certain point after you're done talking. In ME1, that point was when you met Nihlus in the back of the ship. Once you went in there, there was no going back. I think the ME3 intro could (should?) be similar, in that once you go in to speak with the defense council, then is when the "point of no return" would be and when the real scripted cinematic stuff starts happening. Just my 2 cents though...

Yes. Would be really nice if atleast Kaidan/Ashley, Anderson and especially Vega (who the hell is this guy I want to ask him) were available. Possibly along with some potential other people like Kate Bowman and Bhatia w/e depending how you handled them before.

I thought ME2 intro was busy but this puts it to shame in speed.

[N7Raider]

ok 2 things
1. I find it really weird that this is the exact same intro we have been seeing since E3 but only now do you people start complaining that it's "rushed" or the dialogue is bad, like I said we've been seeing this for 6 months.
2. All this complaining about about the intro being rushed or that it needs more exposition is the same thing as saying that Deathly Hallows part 2 needed more exposition you either know what's going on or you don't the fact that you people want a 10-30 minute trial just to recap what happened in ME2 is astonishing.

[Dragoonlordz]

N7Raider wrote...

ok 2 things
1. I find it really weird that this is the exact same intro we have been seeing since E3 but only now do you people start complaining that it's "rushed" or the dialogue is bad, like I said we've been seeing this for 6 months.

-snip-

Until the final demo is up for playing or final trailer which contains that section is shown prior to going gold, it is subject to change and as such there might be both the element of speaking out too soon without the facts and getting flamed for it or speaking up too late for them to change it in retail but maybe offer extension via DLC later stage. In both cases there is a downside.

Snipped second part because that aspect is of little interest to me at ths current time and borderlines personal preference which never ends well on BSN of late.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 09:57 .

[N7Raider]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

N7Raider wrote...

ok 2 things
1. I find it really weird that this is the exact same intro we have been seeing since E3 but only now do you people start complaining that it's "rushed" or the dialogue is bad, like I said we've been seeing this for 6 months.
2. All this complaining about about the intro being rushed or that it needs more exposition is the same thing as saying that Deathly Hallows part 2 needed more exposition you either know what's going on or you don't the fact that you people want a 10-30 minute trial just to recap what happened in ME2 is astonishing.

Until the final demo is up for playing or final trailer which contains that section is shown prior to going gold, it is subject to change and as such there might be both the element of speaking out too soon without the facts and getting flamed for it or speaking up too late for them to change it in retail but maybe offer extension via DLC later stage. In both cases there is a downside.

not to be rude but I don't really see what this has to do with what I said.  

[Dragoonlordz]

N7Raider wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Until the final demo is up for playing or final trailer which contains that section is shown prior to going gold, it is subject to change and as such there might be both the element of speaking out too soon without the facts and getting flamed for it or speaking up too late for them to change it in retail but maybe offer extension via DLC later stage. In both cases there is a downside.

not to be rude but I don't really see what this has to do with what I said.  

I tried to answer your query based on how I interpreted it, if the answer is not what you were looking for then would you mind rephrasing the question or explaining how it is not acceptable to you the answer given.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 15 février 2012 - 10:01 .