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[N7Infernox]

Um...it was a demo. For all we know, his backstory could be explained mere minutes after leaving the Earth.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

James and Shepard barely know each other, just like Shepard barely knew Joker and Kaidan at the beginning of ME1.

If James and Shepard knew one another, James wouldn't have asked Kaidan/Ashley if they knew Shepard.

Thusly, this thread is about nothing.

[Jestina]

Who is this white version of Jacob that thinks we are best friends?

[ArkkAngel007]

You'll learn about Vega and Shepard's history on the Normandy. Plain and simple. Just because they didn't waste time when Reapers were blowing up everything to explain every facet of the universe doesn't mean it will not be addressed at all.

[teh_619]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You'll learn about Vega and Shepard's history on the Normandy. Plain and simple. Just because they didn't waste time when Reapers were blowing up everything to explain every facet of the universe doesn't mean it will not be addressed at all.

How do you know this?

[Skyblade012]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Just curious, where the heck did Vega come from?  How does he know my Shepard?  Why does my Shepard know him?

I'm told that there is a comic or some such that explains all this.  Why the heck should I have to buy a comic to understand the story and characters of this game?  Weren't the games always supposed to be standalone, with the comics and novels being secondary stories and information that weren't directly tied to the game?

I didn't have a problem with Liara and Feron's adventure being separate, because my Shepard wasn't involved.  I didn't build any relationships or learn anything on that adventure, because my Shepard didn't experience it.  It may have been important to the plot, but it wasn't integral to my character, so leaving it aside was fine.

But this is different.  You are just plopping in a new character and saying "hey, you're friends now, have fun".  What the hell?  Nothing has been forced on us like this in the series so far.  Every relationship your character develops, you develop.  Granted, some of them seem to go along one-way paths (Kaiden always wants to take my Shepard to bed, no matter how I interact with him), but the interaction was always my choice.  This is just ridiculous.

I assume you've never played Mass Effect 1 or 2 then?

Where did this happen in either other game?  You are never presented with an existant relationship with another character, period.

Your pre-existing crew in ME1 is a newly formed crew for a new ship, you didn't know any of them before the game, and your relationships with them throughout the game built because you chose to build it.  You can go through the entire game without talking to hardly any of them (Joker and Anderson being the exceptions).  And, heck, you can skip half of your teammates.

Every relationship, in both games, is one you build.  Sure, you may be forced to build it (Joker, Anderson, the Illusive Man, etcetera), but it is still a relationship built and driven by the player.  This one is not.  It is presented to us as though we should know Vega.  Shepard already does know Vega.  But, coming from the other games, we don't.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Considering that Vega is Shepard's prison guard, Shepard should know Vega. The dude stands outside of Shepard's door.

[Skyblade012]

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

James and Shepard barely know each other, just like Shepard barely knew Joker and Kaidan at the beginning of ME1.

If James and Shepard knew one another, James wouldn't have asked Kaidan/Ashley if they knew Shepard.

Thusly, this thread is about nothing.

If he barely knows me, why is he saluting me and calling me "Commander" even though I've been relieved of duty and don't have an official position?

That's not the sort of thing your average "prison guard" does to prisoners.

[Knubbsal]

I would have thought ME3 started with Shepard going to earth, Normandy being taken in, something about Normandy crew and some explanation as to why Shepard is going to earth as there seems to be no trial. How long has Shep even been there?

Still hoping it's a demo thing.

[ItsFreakinJesus]

Because everyone knows Commander Shepard, hero of the Citadel. Shepard is famous. Shepard is respected. Obviously, Vega saluting and calling Shepard Commander is a sign of respect.

And yes, it is the average thing prison guards do to prisoners if said prisoner is famous and generally well liked. No way your average prison guard, upon seeing Wesley Snipes, Lil Wayne or (insert famous person here) in a cell, they were all "Sir, come with me."

It's the nature of the beast, and people are people.

[Sylvianus]

Stop hoping, it will be basically the same intro with probably more dialogue but that's it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 16 février 2012 - 02:31 .

[lobi]

Yay! I vote for summary execution of squad mates on a whim.

[CerberusSoldier]

Op Vega is the man the alliance picks to guard shepard when they arrest him there was a comic discussing his back story

[Destroy Raiden_]

I assume eventually in the game they'll do a remember when moment between shep and Vega that sets up how these two know each other and for how long. It was odd playing and he's all Commander and such to shep I'm like who are you and why should I care.

[Chakuura]

I always thought it was obvious that Vega is a pretty big fan of Shepard, hence respectfully saluting him/her and still calling them Commander. As for this whole "oh god why is this guy my best friend I don't even know him"...I'm not seeing it, all i'm seeing is military respect and a handshake...

[PsychoWARD23]

android654 wrote...

You shouldn't need wiki's. These are the kinds of things a story should cover.

mhm


1000 times this

[PsychoWARD23]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Op Vega is the man the alliance picks to guard shepard when they arrest him there was a comic discussing his back story

That would have taken what?

One line? Two lines?


Yet they have no problem referencing the older games for about 20 lines of dialog.

[Kasces]

Skyblade012 wrote...

ItsFreakinJesus wrote...

James and Shepard barely know each other, just like Shepard barely knew Joker and Kaidan at the beginning of ME1.

If James and Shepard knew one another, James wouldn't have asked Kaidan/Ashley if they knew Shepard.

Thusly, this thread is about nothing.

If he barely knows me, why is he saluting me and calling me "Commander" even though I've been relieved of duty and don't have an official position?

That's not the sort of thing your average "prison guard" does to prisoners.

Not to sound rude (hard to do over the Internet) but really? Why is he saluting the most famous person in the galaxy who happens to be a soldier? Why is he calling Commander Shepard, Commander Shepard? A lot who personally know Shepard just say Shepard. They're hardly buddies. All this could be explained right after the intro too, when you go around the ship and actually get to talk. Valid criticisms are valid but you might be overthinking this a  tad bit.

Modifié par Kasces, 16 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[Kasces]

Double post. Mah bad.

Modifié par Kasces, 16 février 2012 - 03:46 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Just be glad it's an actual trilogy and not episodic, like most AAA games will likely be in the future.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

teh_619 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

You'll learn about Vega and Shepard's history on the Normandy. Plain and simple. Just because they didn't waste time when Reapers were blowing up everything to explain every facet of the universe doesn't mean it will not be addressed at all.

How do you know this?

Oooh I dunno, maybe those scenes in the trailers where Shepard and Vega are having a mock fight in the cargo area, with Shepard still wearing the same outfit he had on during the Earth demo and highly doubtful they'd be in that scenario 'later' in the game, especially as in the 'Freddie Prinze Jr.' reveal trailer you heard James talking about his past. 

Just a hunch...

As for the other comment someone made about squadmates not being thrust upon us as friends in the previous games. I can easily pick out a couple of individuals...

Garrus - You didn't have to recruit him in ME and yet in ME2 its treated as if you good chums. Don't get me wrong, I like Garrus, but I had one Shep that didn't recruit him and the initial conversation with him when he reveals himself is bad to go through in that instance imho.

I could also state Liara, because one gripe some players had about ME2 both the main game and Shadow Broker was how Shepard is all chummy with her even though in ME other than picking her up on Therum you could ignore her or treat her like crap. Yet come ME2, you go see her, Shepard hugs her, during Shadow Broker you talk as if your best pals. I've got some Sheps that like her and some that don't, hell I had one that even avoided Crescent Nebula to stay clear of her in ME2. Somehow I imagine that when that Shepard meets her in ME3 it'll be same routine as players got in ME2.

[InvincibleHero]

There is what six months between the end of ME 2 and Me3. That is plenty of time to do many things which we do not know as players. We also do not get to do anything we want with shepard either. we play select points of interest in his life and act according to how BW wants our game shepard to behave. People and their delusions of grandeur about they are Shepard and he better not have a life outside of what they expect and control.

Are you going to be angry if a buddy from the academy shows up? How about him meeting relatives? Shepard is a work of fiction owned and created by BW not you and people need to accept that.

[Unfallen_Satan]

Heaven knows I agree with you, Skyblade, but this is the direction gaming is going these days. Don't be reluctant to just find some resource online that explains Vega's history if the full game is just as incomplete. Unfortunately, as long as money can be made from this kind of media diversity, it will be done and more.

[AtreiyaN7]

*headdesk*