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[the_one_54321]

GnusmasTHX wrote...
Oh, so Miranda and Jacob shouldn't have been in ME2?

No, I get it. Only pre established characters are allowed in sequels, especially in the start. If you don't know everything about someone within 5 minutes of the game starting, franchise ruined.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Thank you for clarifying my point of view for me.

Seems we're not allowed to be concerned about something until it's been confirmed. Everyone, pack up and go home. You're not allowed to voice any thoughts until you've played the whole game.

[wright1978]

squee365 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Vega is one of a number of things that seem to being forced in the ME3 demo. Previous games let you establish your relationships, your Shep's attitudes etc. This time round they seem to have decided to define Shephard which makes zero sense as there are many people importing their own Shephards based on 2 games of experience. I'm going to wait to see how the actual game plays out but the signs are not promising if the intro demo is accurate.

He has 4 lines in the entire demo. Why is everyone so upset?

Because i think i should have the ability not to be forced to pre existing buddy buddy relationship with my prison guard that  i know nothing about. Add him during the combat sequence like happened with Jacob in ME2 and allow me to interact with him and come to my own judgement regarding the character.

And in MGS2 i was forced to play as a androgynous man-boy but it didn't detract from how awesome of a game it was. 

Well i like the ability to roleplay. Apparently i'm just supposed to shoot stuff now after 2 games of roleplaying. Colour me disappointed.

[incinerator950]

the_one_54321 wrote...
Seems we're not allowed to be concerned about something until it's been confirmed. Everyone, pack up and go home. You're not allowed to voice any thoughts until you've played the whole game.

I wish you were serious.

[kalle90]

Of course they're not standalone at this point. ME3 is the last of trilogy so this is the time when EA/Whoever needs to pump the series making sure it doesn't die off. The universe needs to rapidly expand into books, comics, possibly even movies and animation series for example. There is no certainty if and when ME4 will come so EA/Whoever needs to keep the series alive. What better way to promote books and other media than by directly tying them as part of the last game of trilogy?

The same has obviously happened with Halo. Up until 3rd the series was games first, but then came the unclear period about if and when there will be Halo 4. So in the meantime we have gotten plenty of books, Legends etc. that really seem necessary to understand Halo 4 when it comes. I mean games imply Master Chief is the last Spartan, he is drifting alone (sans Cortana) to an uncharted planetstructure, UNSC assumes Chief is dead and barely have anything left on Earth, Elites head home and the war is over... Turns out none of those rules will apply in Halo 4, and I doubt half of the game will be spent explaining things that happened in the novels.

[GnusmasTHX]

wright1978 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Vega is one of a number of things that seem to being forced in the ME3 demo. Previous games let you establish your relationships, your Shep's attitudes etc. This time round they seem to have decided to define Shephard which makes zero sense as there are many people importing their own Shephards based on 2 games of experience. I'm going to wait to see how the actual game plays out but the signs are not promising if the intro demo is accurate.

He has 4 lines in the entire demo. Why is everyone so upset?

Because i think i should have the ability not to be forced to pre existing buddy buddy relationship with my prison guard that  i know nothing about. Add him during the combat sequence like happened with Jacob in ME2 and allow me to interact with him and come to my own judgement regarding the character.

And in MGS2 i was forced to play as a androgynous man-boy but it didn't detract from how awesome of a game it was. 

Well i like the ability to roleplay. Apparently i'm just supposed to shoot stuff now after 2 games of roleplaying. Colour me disappointed.

Huh, is that right? So you're saying ME2 didn't also start with an attack by enemy forces, with Shepard escaping on the Normandy, free to talk to his newly met squadmates?

[the_one_54321]

incinerator950 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Seems we're not allowed to be concerned about something until it's been confirmed. Everyone, pack up and go home. You're not allowed to voice any thoughts until you've played the whole game.

I wish you were serious.

And I wish the folks that happily swallowed everything that gets fed to them weren't.

[wright1978]

the_one_54321 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...
You played the first 10 minutes of the intro, sorry Vegas didn't spill his lifes story and cry on your shoulder.

All you know is that Vegas respects Shepard, and Shepard knows him by name, how is this different from Anderson and Joker in ME1? Did Joker tell you everything about him before Eden Prime?

You should be sorry! It's clearly your fault.

It's different because ME1 = Hello, all new cast characters and perviously unexplored story and world, ME3 = Hello world and characters I've been exploring for two gam.... wait, who the hell is that guy?!

Yep ME1 plops you down in the universe and invites you to make it your home. ME2 shakes things up and gets you to meet new people. What it doesn't do is return you 6 months after you've been back from the dead and make up relationships with people you've never met.

[the_one_54321]

GnusmasTHX wrote...
Huh, is that right? So you're saying ME2 didn't also start with an attack by enemy forces, with Shepard escaping on the Normandy, free to talk to his newly met squadmates?

And those "newly met squadmates" were newly met, weren't they? Also, I posted a page or so back, giving some contrast between making previous story available in the game. Sure, maybe this Vega person will have all that info filled in during the game. I sure hope so, anyway.

[incinerator950]

the_one_54321 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Seems we're not allowed to be concerned about something until it's been confirmed. Everyone, pack up and go home. You're not allowed to voice any thoughts until you've played the whole game.

I wish you were serious.

And I wish the folks that happily swallowed everything that gets fed to them weren't.

I don't allow myself to get into these conversations because it's petty bickering and people who whine like their property was damaged when it wasn't theirs.  Don't relate me to the sheep on this board, you're only supporting your stereotype.

[wright1978]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

[Well i like the ability to roleplay. Apparently i'm just supposed to shoot stuff now after 2 games of roleplaying. Colour me disappointed.

Huh, is that right? So you're saying ME2 didn't also start with an attack by enemy forces, with Shepard escaping on the Normandy, free to talk to his newly met squadmates?

Sorry i thought ME2 had Shephard die and be resurrected. Then he wakes up disoriented hears some strange woman on the radio. Meets Jacob, gets introduced to Jacob. Meets Wilson gets introduced to Wilson, finds out about Miranda. Meets Miranda. Which part of that forced a pre-existing relationship on SHep?

[the_one_54321]

incinerator950 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

incinerator950 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Seems we're not allowed to be concerned about something until it's been confirmed. Everyone, pack up and go home. You're not allowed to voice any thoughts until you've played the whole game.

I wish you were serious.

And I wish the folks that happily swallowed everything that gets fed to them weren't.

I don't allow myself to get into these conversations because it's petty bickering and people who whine like their property was damaged when it wasn't theirs.  Don't relate me to the sheep on this board, you're only supporting your stereotype.

And you're not???
Seriously? You have the gal to say that to me after you made a post suggesting that you want everyone to not share what they think about anything until they play the game? Yeah, you're totally not allowing yourself to get into these conversations. You're just starting them yourself, instead.

[GnusmasTHX]

the_one_54321 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...
Huh, is that right? So you're saying ME2 didn't also start with an attack by enemy forces, with Shepard escaping on the Normandy, free to talk to his newly met squadmates?

And those "newly met squadmates" were newly met, weren't they? Also, I posted a page or so back, giving some contrast between making previous story available in the game. Sure, maybe this Vega person will have all that info filled in during the game. I sure hope so, anyway.

Yes, they were. ME2 demands you fight with two people you don't know.

ME3 you meet a guy, walk with him and then he leaves until you can talk to him on your ship and suddenly this is a huge problem because they know each other by name. Which is... preposterous because Shepard isn't famous at all.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 16 février 2012 - 09:15 .

[the_one_54321]

GnusmasTHX wrote...
ME3 you meet a guy, walk with him and then he leaves until you can talk to him on your ship and suddenly this is a huge problem because they know each other by name.

Who said it was a huge problem? The OP just said s/he didn't like it. I agree. Unless they take the time to introduce that whole story at some point during the game.

[RSX Titan]

wright1978 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

squee365 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Vega is one of a number of things that seem to being forced in the ME3 demo. Previous games let you establish your relationships, your Shep's attitudes etc. This time round they seem to have decided to define Shephard which makes zero sense as there are many people importing their own Shephards based on 2 games of experience. I'm going to wait to see how the actual game plays out but the signs are not promising if the intro demo is accurate.

He has 4 lines in the entire demo. Why is everyone so upset?

Because i think i should have the ability not to be forced to pre existing buddy buddy relationship with my prison guard that  i know nothing about. Add him during the combat sequence like happened with Jacob in ME2 and allow me to interact with him and come to my own judgement regarding the character.

And in MGS2 i was forced to play as a androgynous man-boy but it didn't detract from how awesome of a game it was. 

Well i like the ability to roleplay. Apparently i'm just supposed to shoot stuff now after 2 games of roleplaying. Colour me disappointed.

You were able to Roleplay ME2? Impressive.

[the_one_54321]

RSX Titan wrote...
You were able to Roleplay ME2? Impressive.

Be fair, it does allow some room for it. Either way, it can be a very fun game.

[Haasth]

I hope it is properly explained past the demo scenes. I am disappointed it is in fact the intro of the final game honestly. The whole "Reapers totally real. I totally always believed that.", random soldier guys (Vega) with us, rush through the beginning and Reaper destruction like there is no tomorrow deal but hopefully all will be properly explained past that scene. I still don't care about Vega, but if some random Jersey Shore soldier is going to chase me around I want to know why before I kick him out of the airlock.

[kalle90]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...
You played the first 10 minutes of the intro, sorry Vegas didn't spill his lifes story and cry on your shoulder.

All you know is that Vegas respects Shepard, and Shepard knows him by name, how is this different from Anderson and Joker in ME1? Did Joker tell you everything about him before Eden Prime?

You should be sorry! It's clearly your fault.

It's different because ME1 = Hello, all new cast characters and perviously unexplored story and world, ME3 = Hello world and characters I've been exploring for two gam.... wait, who the hell is that guy?!

Oh, so Miranda and Jacob shouldn't have been in ME2?

No, I get it. Only pre established characters are allowed in sequels, especially in the start. If you don't know everything about someone within 5 minutes of the game starting, franchise ruined.

Are you serious?

Jacob is a complete stranger who introduces himself when you first find him shooting mechs, and thorough the level he gives snippets about Miranda, Cerberus and other background. Miranda also introduces himself later on. So by the time you get to talk to Illusive Man you already have pretty good idea who Jacob and Miranda are.

That isn't comparable with Vega who I'm supposed to know from the start and IMO it makes even less sense he would start to introduce himself after the first level. "Hey Vega, err, I hit my head. So who were you again?"

I have my dislikes about ME2, but the intro, despite killing off Shepard, was great compared to what we saw in ME3.

[ajniedo]

xzxzxz701 wrote...

Skyblade012 wrote...

Just curious, where the heck did Vega come from?  How does he know my Shepard?  Why does my Shepard know him?

I'm told that there is a comic or some such that explains all this.  Why the heck should I have to buy a comic to understand the story and characters of this game?  Weren't the games always supposed to be standalone, with the comics and novels being secondary stories and information that weren't directly tied to the game?

I didn't have a problem with Liara and Feron's adventure being separate, because my Shepard wasn't involved.  I didn't build any relationships or learn anything on that adventure, because my Shepard didn't experience it.  It may have been important to the plot, but it wasn't integral to my character, so leaving it aside was fine.

But this is different.  You are just plopping in a new character and saying "hey, you're friends now, have fun".  What the hell?  Nothing has been forced on us like this in the series so far.  Every relationship your character develops, you develop.  Granted, some of them seem to go along one-way paths (Kaiden always wants to take my Shepard to bed, no matter how I interact with him), but the interaction was always my choice.  This is just ridiculous.

I assume you've never played Mass Effect 1 or 2 then?

THIS...does no one else remember having to read all the timeline stuff about all the different species, the rachni wars, krogan rebellions, geth uprising, first contact war, etc before playing ME1? None of it was really explained to great unless you read the codex, there was a bunch of stuff you had to read before playing.

[manwiththemachinegun]

Is it just me or are these nitpicks getting even stupider?

[wright1978]

kalle90 wrote...

Are you serious?

Jacob is a complete stranger who introduces himself when you first find him shooting mechs, and thorough the level he gives snippets about Miranda, Cerberus and other background. Miranda also introduces himself later on. So by the time you get to talk to Illusive Man you already have pretty good idea who Jacob and Miranda are.

That isn't comparable with Vega who I'm supposed to know from the start and IMO it makes even less sense he would start to introduce himself after the first level. "Hey Vega, err, I hit my head. So who were you again?"

I have my dislikes about ME2, but the intro, despite killing off Shepard, was great compared to what we saw in ME3.

Yep ME2 intro is extremely well crafted in comparison to the ME3 intro.

[Paul E Dangerously]

Newbie McGearsofWar Reject is supposedly there to play toward a new audience, who are totally incapable of playing the other two games in the series and figuring out what's going on.

And to eat up a roster slot on yet another human character instead of..anyone interesting. A whole galaxy full of aliens, and we get what, one or two tops?

[kalle90]

ajniedo wrote...

THIS...does no one else remember having to read all the timeline stuff about all the different species, the rachni wars, krogan rebellions, geth uprising, first contact war, etc before playing ME1? None of it was really explained to great unless you read the codex, there was a bunch of stuff you had to read before playing.

That's all history and general info that doesn't affect Shepard.

Lousy example but it's like me not knowing our history vs me suddenly being buddies/familiar with someone I've never seen or heard of. I can live just fine without knowing history or other trivia but if I don't know my buddies/relatives/acquitances that's troubling.

[the_one_54321]

Sopa de Gato wrote...
And to eat up a roster slot on yet another human character instead of..anyone interesting. A whole galaxy full of aliens, and we get what, one or two tops?

My theory is that they are still trying to fill the Human Male Love Interest role, seeing as Jacob was largely ridiculed and Kaiden was not really adored by all.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

* If you put out a series of games you should not require people to read comic books to know what is going on between games.
* People should not have to read extensive wikis online to find out details missing due to plot holes. Plug the plot holes in the storyline IN GAME. In other words, better writing always works.
* Get the science right. It's okay to do science fiction, but the actual science one uses needs to be done right for sci-fi to be convincing. I hate it when they get it wrong.

Otherwise, I'm getting the picture... if you're going to make a particular storyline canon don't make the game a RPG with choices that pass on through the series. This will only come back to bite the devs in the buttocks later. If you're going to use the same character, start a different story.