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[Saints_]

el expl0siv0 wrote...

I am going to toss in my two cents without having read the 6 other pages because I don't have time for that.
My beef is that saving Earth has been the topic of soooo many games, movies, books etc. I can't think of many other series that have created such a lush and interesting fiction of the galaxy, aside from Mass Effect. The way I see it they're dialing themselves back creatively from all of their interesting creations. I am going to repeat what many commenters have said before in this regard for emphasis: "Earth is boring, I would know I've been there." Compared to Tuchanka, the Citadel, Virmire, Noveria, Omega, etc. etc. etc. Earth is lame!
I have faith that BioWare will make it interesting because that's what they do, but still. Its funny, in the last couple games I've wanted to go to Earth just because I saw it there, but now that its front and center I'm very uninterested.

Then I don't have time to read yours either.

[zqrahll]

Because they wanted to tie in to the oldest, lamest, and most successful cliche in all of sci-fi-- Earth being invaded by alien monsters. Personally, I don't care at all about saving the Earth-- I am much more interested in the rest of the galaxy. Plus, it's not Shepard's home-- Shepard's from Mindoir, as I almost always go Colonist.

[Rip504]

zqrahll wrote...

Because they wanted to tie in to the oldest, lamest, and most successful cliche in all of sci-fi-- Earth being invaded by alien monsters. Personally, I don't care at all about saving the Earth-- I am much more interested in the rest of the galaxy. Plus, it's not Shepard's home-- Shepard's from Mindoir, as I almost always go Colonist.

LoL Every Human is from Earth,it is the birthplace of humanity the greatest and most important race in the galaxy.

Without humanity the Reapers would have already won. Earth is ground zero in the Reaper invasion,and everyone buying ME3 lives on Earth. It makes sense. The marketing is telling you that Earth is depending on Shepard.
Also the intro to the demo states the galaxy survival is depending on Shepard. Not sure how they exactly word it sorry.

[Shotokanguy]

Saints_ wrote...

el expl0siv0 wrote...

I am going to toss in my two cents without having read the 6 other pages because I don't have time for that.
My beef is that saving Earth has been the topic of soooo many games, movies, books etc. I can't think of many other series that have created such a lush and interesting fiction of the galaxy, aside from Mass Effect. The way I see it they're dialing themselves back creatively from all of their interesting creations. I am going to repeat what many commenters have said before in this regard for emphasis: "Earth is boring, I would know I've been there." Compared to Tuchanka, the Citadel, Virmire, Noveria, Omega, etc. etc. etc. Earth is lame!
I have faith that BioWare will make it interesting because that's what they do, but still. Its funny, in the last couple games I've wanted to go to Earth just because I saw it there, but now that its front and center I'm very uninterested.

Then I don't have time to read yours either.

Then why are you even wasting the time to post something so worthless? There's nothing wrong with him not wanting to read every page - he has a right to share his opinion regardless, and have it considered equal to everyone else's.


So many of you aren't really thinking, or answering the quesiton. It's a very simple one, and it has nothing to do with "casuals don't care about Asari duh!"

I am simply curious why a company trying to make money would willingly go along with a marketing scheme that does not use the product's largest, most impressive concept to its full potential.

"Casuals" will not be drawn in by a LESS impressive concept. And this idea that "casuals don't care about Sur'kesh/Thessia/Tuchanka" implies that commercials and advertisements would have mentioned those very specific things, instead of simply saying something like "the galaxy".

Modifié par Shotokanguy, 16 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[TheRevanchist]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

None of that makes sense.

First of all, prioritizing the familiar is a base human instinct. You can argue against it because you're not really in the conflict.

Second, Earth is a strategic point in the war. There isn't save Earth or everyone else, it's save Earth or everyone dies. Even if it weren't, you're honestly considering ceding worlds to the enemy? 

There is nothing MORE "strategicly importent" about Earth then any other planet in the ENITRE Galaxy other than "Bioware said so". And I highly doubt EVERYONE ELSE in the ENTIRE galaxy will die if Earth is not saved...thats clearly being overdramatic in an attempt to sell the "YOU ARE HUMAN! CARE ABOUT IT!" concept. I guess it just seems your totaly unable to comprehend that I am not emotionally bound to things I find familiar. if it was for the greater good of all I would totaly give up everything I care about. I may not like it...but I would do it because it's the right thing to do. I find it insulting from a moral standpoint that I should care about Earth more just because I more resemble the people who live there.  Besides that...I very much doubt they have obliterated EVERY other human colony in the galaxy. I assume places like Terra Nova are not yet destroid. If that is the case. Earth can simply be re inhabited once the Reapers have been defeated. So no your not really "giving the enemy territory". Like I said...I will save Earth if I can...because innocents are being killed. But if the only way to save the galaxy and to stop the Reapers once and for all...is to let Earth die...then yes...I will let it die to ensure all future life is spared that fate.

Uh, except for that it is the "front line" of the war and has the strongest concentration of Reapers?

Seriously all of this has been explained or showed to us by press. Read the script and find out more about why the fight takes place on Earth.

It seems you're unable to simply understand the conflict at hand. Also it's not about territory, as much as it is, you're giving the Reapers exactly what they want, an army of husks and Reapers to attack the rest of the galaxy. 

Seriously, a little thinking on your part and you'd realize there's more to the battle taking place on Earth than you presently realize. If it is like you say, it would be impossible to convince anyone to help out, and yet Shepard convinces everyone to help out. Earth is of strategic importance, in more than one way.

Thinkhard.

One planet...the front line of a total galactic war...more importent than anything else...yes that makes perfect sense. Like I said....it's only importent because "Bioware said so". They can get husks from ANY planet...it's not like ignoreing Palaven to save Earth would make things any easier. They would still make Turian husks and send them our way...you act as if Earth is the ALL DETERMINEING factor....hardly the case. Going back to Palaven...the homeworld of the largest and most powerful military in the whole galaxy...has already fallen...the Turians are now bunkered down on their freakin moon. You honestly expect me to believe there are MORE Reapers on Earth then Palaven? 

Again...12 billion humans is not as importent as hundreds of trillions of aliens. And no...I don't read the script...because that totaly defeats the point of playing the damn game. Even if you are right...and the largest concentration IS on Earth...I can gather everyone elses support I can find and then come back to re-examine the situation. if Earth is a lost cause I am not going to simply ignore the threat present...what kind of idiot would do that? if Earth is a lost cause then the planet should be bombed from orbit or...in the worst case senario...destroid utterly. That would destroy any threat those Reapers represent because those Reapers would be...you know...dead. Just because a planet is a lost cause that does not mean you totaly ignore the enemies that exsist there...that just means you waste as few resources as possible trying to handle the enemies there. Which means if the Reapers are too numerous or too powerful to be stoped on Earth...I am not going to waste all our military power trying to "save"  it.

And just because YOUR Shepards might care more about Earth does not mean MY Shepard does...unless that auto dialouge forces that upon my Shepard...by characters don't give a crap at all. Each soul is weighted equally. 12 billion does not outweigh hundreds of trillions, human or not. I do not...and my Shepards do not...hold Earth any higher than anyone else. Period. I will try to save as many lives as I possibly can...but in war sacrifices are needed. sometimes those sacrifices hurt, sometimes they don't. But you can't save everyone...even a Paragon is not oblivious to this fact. "If you try to defend everything you defend nothing" - Sun Tzu. Sometimes you must let strongholds fall...let cities be destroid...let people die in order to gain a better advantage. In the case of a galactic war...you might have to let a planet or two fall in order to have that perfect moment to strike. So before you go off on a rant telling me to "Think about s*** before you rant"...maybe -you- should think...about how wars are fought...how victories are obtained...how overwhelming enemies are defeated. No one likes sacrifices...but they happen. Wars are ugly and brutal and horrible things are sometimes done to achive the greater good.

None of my Shepards have any family to lose on Earth..they have only Anderson as far as friends go...and hes a soldier...he knows the risks. My Shepards have no emotional connection to a piece of rock just because it's "The Homeworld". Just because a homeworld falls does not mean a race is finished...there are colonies...there are others that can continue on afterwards. Those homeworlds can be re-taken and re-populated afterwords once we know victory can be claimed. Earth no longer holds any strategic value...most of it's military power was totaly oblitereated (in what seems like miliseconds but thats another topic <.<) most human military power appears to be gone...so theres not a great deal of people left for a "morale boost" except soldiers already there. No one will ever convince me that Earth is somehow more importent in any way. Humans are just one race. if they must fall to gain total victory then so be it.  

[TheRevanchist]

Do -not- mistake this for me hating Earth, or not careing about it at all. I do...and I actually LIKED the "vent kid" that everyone else under the sun seems to hate. I think it was very touching, and perfectly represents what is at stake. I simply don't think it should be a priority over all other places.

[RinuCZ]

kylecouch wrote...
One planet...the front line of a total galactic war...

I completely agree with kylecouch here.

A decision to build a central plot of closing episode around Earth was a downer for me. Been there, done that, duh. There is a gazillion sci-fi works on this theme. MEverse was always about a universe, about caring and protecting a certain piece of it which serves as a home for many species. One of alluring things about Mass Effect 1 is it can make you feel to be a part of complex universe, not to be a puppet of Mr. President of United Nations of Great Earth, methaphorically speaking.

You can play according to the "Humanity first" policy but still, it should be a game player's choice, not a forced scheme.

[ArkkAngel007]

RinuCZ wrote...

kylecouch wrote...
One planet...the front line of a total galactic war...

I completely agree with kylecouch here.

A decision to build a central plot of closing episode around Earth was a downer for me. Been there, done that, duh. There is a gazillion sci-fi works on this theme. MEverse was always about a universe, about caring and protecting a certain piece of it which serves as a home for many species. One of alluring things about Mass Effect 1 is it can make you feel to be a part of complex universe, not to be a puppet of Mr. President of United Nations of Great Earth, methaphorically speaking.

You can play according to the "Humanity first" policy but still, it should be a game player's choice, not a forced scheme.

You have to focus the narrative somewhere, otherwise it would be a convulated mess.  

[SSV Enterprise]

Shotokanguy wrote...

No, seriously, why is Earth such a marketing point?

You kind of answered your own question there.

[HiroVoid]

Well, the galactic readiness is there to take Earth back after they invade in the beginning as shown in the demo. It's not like its just a marketing thing.

[mghjr6]

It kind of bothers me, how so many folks here seem so savagely to hate Earth. Whether it is a preferred focal point isn't my issue. I just wonder why so many people don't care about that "piece of rock." This rock is home to, what did the codex say, 11 billion people? Mostly innocent civilians. In my mind, Shep's fighting for them as much if not more than for galactic civilization as a whole.

As far as gameplay goes, it seems like only a tiny portion of the game actually takes place there. And why Earth? Biggest concentration of humans, of which Shepard, their greatest nemesis in this invasion, is one. Whether they're out to try the human Reaper trick again or just wipe us out, Earth seems like a good place to start.

Bioware seems to be of the opinion that the majority of normal people would want to save their home planet. I would.

[el expl0siv0]

Saints_ wrote...

el expl0siv0 wrote...

I am going to toss in my two cents without having read the 6 other pages because I don't have time for that.
My beef is that saving Earth has been the topic of soooo many games, movies, books etc. I can't think of many other series that have created such a lush and interesting fiction of the galaxy, aside from Mass Effect. The way I see it they're dialing themselves back creatively from all of their interesting creations. I am going to repeat what many commenters have said before in this regard for emphasis: "Earth is boring, I would know I've been there." Compared to Tuchanka, the Citadel, Virmire, Noveria, Omega, etc. etc. etc. Earth is lame!
I have faith that BioWare will make it interesting because that's what they do, but still. Its funny, in the last couple games I've wanted to go to Earth just because I saw it there, but now that its front and center I'm very uninterested.

Then I don't have time to read yours either.

Your call, my man.  Its pretty clear reading some other posts that some just stumbled onto the thread and didn't have the hour and a half necessary to read through the entire thread but posted anyway.  That doesn't mean I don't appreciate their insights.
I was just trying to be honest, sorry it was percieved as disrespectful.

Candidate 88766 wrote...
Each game so far has focused on humanity and their place in the ME universe.
ME1: Shepard is the first human Spectre, hunting down a rogue Spectre who has attacked human colonies with an army of Geth. 
ME2: human colonies are being abducted by the Collectors so that the Reapers can build a Human Reaper.
ME3: Earth is lost, and humanity cannot survive without the aid of the rest of the galaxy. 
While the overarching goal of each game is to stop the Reapers, the individual stories of each game revolve around humanity to some extent. ME1 is the story of Shepard hunting Saren down and preventing him from attacking humanity. ME2 is the story of Shepard assembling a team to ultimately attack the Collector homeworld and prevent attacks on humanity. ME3 is the story of Shepard trying to unite the galaxy against the Reapers, and taking the fight to them by attempting to take back Earth.
The human focus is nothing new.

Hmmm... I never thought of it that way.  I will cede to you +1 Good Point(s).  That said having Earth in it is a much more human-centric story line than the other examples.  Whereas "first human specter" is relatively subtle, the human experience is relatively downplayed compared to the establishment of the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par el expl0siv0, 18 février 2012 - 07:23 .

[FluffyScarf]

Why were dragons such a focal point for Lagrim's sorry excuse for marketing? After all, they had been done to death by dozens of fantasy/cliche/argh-pee-gees.

[dirtybirds]

Shotokanguy wrote...

An entire galaxy's fight for survival is a much more impressive premise than a fight for Earth.

Cue expected use of piano for anything having to do with "earth".

Ah, overrused orchestration techniques.

This is the same kind of mentality exhibited in the art book when it discusses a character.. Something like, "We wanted an old look so we went with a samurai style."...but it makes no sense given the context.

Modifié par dirtybirds, 18 février 2012 - 07:25 .

[Oblivious]

Benu5 wrote...

THEY TOOOK OOUURRR PLLLAANNEEEET!

www.youtube.com/watch

[Violet]

 I have no idea why they are marketing Earth. This is a miserable planet with miserable people making it more miserable every day. Who would want to save this place? I am personally going to let Earth go. "What? Someone wiped out humanity?! About time." I wrote a post tonight about the very real issue of the Reapers focusing on Earth. Why not wipe out any space faring abilities of the Earthies and them move on to the rest of the races. Then, get to work with the Reaper sex as EDI theorized this whole thing is about. Ahh! The cuddle fish are breeding! Run for your lives! 

[incinerator950]

In this topic: People who grew up disliking others and being bullied in school.

[Phategod1]

I've been wanting to see it, since I unlocked the Sol system in ME1.

[DJBare]

Violet wrote...

 I have no idea why they are marketing Earth. This is a miserable planet with miserable people making it more miserable every day. Who would want to save this place? I am personally going to let Earth go. "What? Someone wiped out humanity?! About time." I wrote a post tonight about the very real issue of the Reapers focusing on Earth. Why not wipe out any space faring abilities of the Earthies and them move on to the rest of the races. Then, get to work with the Reaper sex as EDI theorized this whole thing is about. Ahh! The cuddle fish are breeding! Run for your lives! 

Wiping out the earth would not wipe out humanity, in the Mass Effect universe humanity has already settled on other worlds.

[Wodyme]

It's about Earth because... The reapers were created on Earth by a nation-state to get power over the other nation-states and reap their resources, except something went wrong in the creation, and because of that, they travel back in time instead of forward, so the past is actually the future for them. So, in the end, it turns out Shephard doesn't have to do anything, except press the 'activate reapers' button to send them on their way. The end.

(But really, I think it's silly. My Shephard doesn't even want Human children, that's why their love interests are all the aliens, and why they go with aliens on away missions)

[Dean_the_Young]

DJBare wrote...

Violet wrote...

 I have no idea why they are marketing Earth. This is a miserable planet with miserable people making it more miserable every day. Who would want to save this place? I am personally going to let Earth go. "What? Someone wiped out humanity?! About time." I wrote a post tonight about the very real issue of the Reapers focusing on Earth. Why not wipe out any space faring abilities of the Earthies and them move on to the rest of the races. Then, get to work with the Reaper sex as EDI theorized this whole thing is about. Ahh! The cuddle fish are breeding! Run for your lives! 

Wiping out the earth would not wipe out humanity, in the Mass Effect universe humanity has already settled on other worlds.

Wiping out Earth would, however, reduce Humanity by about 99.99%.

Humanity would collectively be a Migrant Fleet, without the fleet and with a few planets.

[zqrahll]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

DJBare wrote...

Violet wrote...

 I have no idea why they are marketing Earth. This is a miserable planet with miserable people making it more miserable every day. Who would want to save this place? I am personally going to let Earth go. "What? Someone wiped out humanity?! About time." I wrote a post tonight about the very real issue of the Reapers focusing on Earth. Why not wipe out any space faring abilities of the Earthies and them move on to the rest of the races. Then, get to work with the Reaper sex as EDI theorized this whole thing is about. Ahh! The cuddle fish are breeding! Run for your lives! 

Wiping out the earth would not wipe out humanity, in the Mass Effect universe humanity has already settled on other worlds.

Wiping out Earth would, however, reduce Humanity by about 99.99%.

Humanity would collectively be a Migrant Fleet, without the fleet and with a few planets.

Now we know the real purpose of ME3-- it's a Battlestar Galactica Prequel!

[BentOrgy]

I could endlessly rant about how much I've hated this fact ever since the first trailer, but seeing how I'd only be restating what others have already said, I'll just say this;

It makes little sense, and I hope to every deity in existence that every other species we try to "Enlist," to help's first response is "**** Earth, I have better things to worry about."

Seriously, I understand pooling together scientists and resources to figure out a way to defeat them, but that should be an isolated project, every race has a homeplanet they're worried about, and that is what they should be focusing on. To summarize, if the end of ME3 has my Shepard (A Mindoir born colonist, thank you.) storming the Sol system with every race's military conveniently behind me, I'm going to be severely irritated.

[Prent62]

Seriously, that scene where Shepard leaves Earth would be very different if that was a little Turian kid. Many people would find the butt-ugly alien kid humourous.

[BentOrgy]

Prent62 wrote...

Seriously, that scene where Shepard leaves Earth would be very different if that was a little Turian kid. Many people would find the butt-ugly alien kid humourous.

And this did.... What, for the thread?