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[tisoy13]

i was not yet able to see other cities and other capitals on thedas, but as far as what I've experienced in dragon age, if u will compare denerim  to kirkwall and other capitol cities as well you'll see that denerim is not organized and not much of a tourist spot, plus the fact that Fereldan has the most barbaric way of life / culture and they smell wet dogs, that's why orlesians commercialize to much of their orlesian oil......

I'm just wondering if Ferelden is the worst country?

Modifié par tisoy13, 18 février 2012 - 04:10 .

[Abispa]

I don't know if it is the "worst" country, but it appears that Fereldans are considered one step above barbarians by the richer nations in Thedas, like Orlais, Antiva, and Tevinter. One could argue that their lack of super-rich aristocrats is a plus, rather than a minus.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Ferelden...to be honest, doesn't look that poor. Kirkwall seems to be much poorer in comparison, esecially in terms of wealth distribution, and the barbarity of Ferelden is virtually non-existent. It's likely just Orlesian propaganda meant to portray the quasi-parliamentary Ferelden as being barbaric because the power of the king stems from an assembly of landed elites and not from divine right.

Opulence =/= wealth.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 16 février 2012 - 04:25 .

[elfdwarf]

andersfel and Tevinter worst place because slavery and blighted land

[SkittlesKat96]

Its not the richest nation but its not the worst either. Like Elfdwarf said, Tevinter and Andersfel are worse.

Also some of that 'Fereldens are barbaric' stuff even though it has elements of truth isn't completely true, I'm sure that Orlais has lots of poor people and lots of messed up stuff (like the Chevaliers) but they just put it all under their fancy rugs. At least Ferelden people are honest and up front about themselves lol.

[nightscrawl]

tisoy13 wrote...

i was not actually able to see other cities and other capitals on thedas, but as far as what I've experienced in dragon age, if u will compare denerim  to kirkwall and other capitol cities as well you'll see that denerim is not organized and not much of a tourist spot, plus the fact that Fereldan has the most barbaric way of life / culture and they smell wet dogs, that's why orlesians commercialize to much of their orlesian oil......

I'm just wondering if Ferelden is the worst country?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "not organized." Ferelden certainly has a hierarchy of nobility. If you mean "not organized" in the same way that the American old west was disorganized and chaotic, then I'll agree. However, from what I saw while playing DA2, Kirkwall wasn't much better. The only thing Kirkwall had going for it in that regard was the extra military presence of the templars.

As far as poverty is concerned, we don't really know about the wealth of the nation as a whole. Do they have commodities they export or trade in? I haven't heard of any. If they are self-sustaining, there's nothing really wrong with that. If you're using Orlesian standards to judge wealth, well those are bad standards indeed. As an extreme example, Kim Jong-il (the recently deceased leader of North Korea) lived a lavish lifestyle while his people starved, requiring aid from other nations to get through several famines. Orlesians throw opulent parties, but has far as I observed while reading Asunder, they have farmholds and towns similar to Ferelden, where individuals are beholden to a lord and are trying to eek out a meager existence. Ferelden has nobles just like Orlais does, they just live a different sort of lifestyle, have different tastes, and different values.

Regarding their barbaric history, it's not totally surprising. Andraste herself was a barbarian from Ferelden, and she changed the face the Thedas with her rebellion. Ferelden is still developing, but as their people are for the most part rugged, down-to-earth, simple folk, I doubt they will ever end up like Orlais.

[Das Tentakel]

tisoy13 wrote...

i was not actually able to see other cities and other capitals on thedas, but as far as what I've experienced in dragon age, if u will compare denerim  to kirkwall and other capitol cities as well you'll see that denerim is not organized and not much of a tourist spot, plus the fact that Fereldan has the most barbaric way of life / culture and they smell wet dogs, that's why orlesians commercialize to much of their orlesian oil......

I'm just wondering if Ferelden is the worst country?

Conceptually, Ferelden (based on what Bioware reps said in various PR related vids, interviews and articles) is loosely based on / reminiscent of Anglo-Saxon England: a country that recently emerged from barbarity / the Dark Ages. They also wanted some kind of 'frontier feel'.

There is actually not that much specifically medieval English or Anglo-Saxon about Ferelden. Most of the names seem Irish/ Scottish or generic fantasy, and terms like Landsmeet ('Landtag'), the election of kings and the name of the Alamarri ('Alamanni', once a major German tribe, but now with the n replaced) ancestors of Ferelden's people are taken from German history. However, if you feel that Ferelden is somewhat barbaric, I think Bioware sort of succeeded in getting the point across.

There is a difference, however, between having recently emerged from barbarity and actually being barbarian.
Ferelden is supposed to be a bit ruder and simpler (and 'freeer') than Orlais because of this, but it's still an organised territorial state with a social and political hierarchy and a head of state.
If there's anything I would call really barbaric about Ferelden, it's the nobles' atrocious dress sense.



If Antiva actually is indeed somewhat like Renaissance Italy, then Antivan aristocrats have every reason to consider their Ferelden peers as a bunch of filthy and barbaric fashion Philistines...



(Titian, Federico Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua, 1529. I don't think he would have invited a Ferelden noble to his house. Not with their fashion sense. Even if he liked dogs)

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 16 février 2012 - 08:27 .

[Malanu]

Here I thought it would have been their timing of when to use Jazz Hands Das!

[Huntress]

Think for a minute.. IF Ferelden was a barbaric land or not "rich" enough then why the Orlesians want it so ( profanity) Bad?
Relax, King Alistair and any ("if not all of my characters") will destroy any of this Orlesians Beasts (with their Divine rights) that try to enslave Ferelden once more! Ferelden will stay free.

Edit:
How long since the war with orlais? Then it came a Blight...  the country is ruined by war and blight still with a good Ruler it will stand up but, the land is fertile and rich i mean rich of everything, gems, ores.. you name it!
Ferelden needs time to build itself but the Orlesians aren't gonna give it.

Now lets check how Cailan ruled with Queen Anora at his side, (poorly the only "happy people" were the rich noble people), Anora if ruler, ferelden get even worst because she doesn't give a fly about the elves she only want to rule thats all, with Alistair as king many changes came to it, starting from the Corte!

I think Alistair is the best of all the Ferelden King's and IF is true that he sees mages more than just a threat but as allies.. Oh boy now we see why Meredith is praying to the Maker for a new King in Ferelden.

Modifié par Huntress, 16 février 2012 - 04:23 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Ferelden is actually very wealthy. In smelling like wet dogs.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 16 février 2012 - 06:43 .

[bEVEsthda]

Das Tentakel wrote...

(Titian, Federico Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua, 1529. I don't think he would have invited a Ferelden noble to his house. Not with their fashion sense. Even if he liked dogs)

But that comparison must be misleading. That garment is Gonzaga's absolute pride. The portrait is commissioned as much to immortalize the clothes as the man. While the Ferelden noble in distress is of course dressed in some everyday rags.

[Das Tentakel]

bEVEsthda wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

(Titian, Federico Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua, 1529. I don't think he would have invited a Ferelden noble to his house. Not with their fashion sense. Even if he liked dogs)

But that comparison must be misleading. That garment is Gonzaga's absolute pride. The portrait is commissioned as much to immortalize the clothes as the man. While the Ferelden noble in distress is of course dressed in some everyday rags.

I was referring to fashion sense as in design, choice of color etc. Not about how 'fine' the clothes themselves are in terms of the quality of the textiles or the embroidery.

I mean, by all the gods of fantasy and real-world pantheons, look at this:



Aaack! Aaaccccck! Aaaaacccccccccccckkkkk!

Ils sont barbares, ces Fereldiens!

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 16 février 2012 - 07:35 .

[thats1evildude]

Like most expansionist empires from our own history, the Orlesians probably believed they were bringing "order" to the uncivilized savages out in Ferelden.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 16 février 2012 - 07:36 .

[Mevlut Cousland]

Fereldans do love their dogs =)
why? simply answer
everyone knows the history about Dane and the werewolves
werwolves do still exist and we the humans dont knew who gonna be an werewolf
it might be ur neighbor, u cant know it ;-)
but the mabaris feels who is an werewolf.. this is why the nobility of ferelden got the precious mabaris on their countries, as guard dogs and travels only with them
this is why Ferelden is a great country
I love the Mabari-War-Dogs

Modifié par Mevlut Cousland, 16 février 2012 - 07:49 .

[nightscrawl]

Huntress wrote...

How long since the war with orlais?

If you include the time elapsed in DA2, about 40 years.

Maric threw the Orlesians out of Ferelden at the start of the Dragon Age, DAO takes place in 9:30 Dragon, DA2 overlaps the events of the Blight by one year, followed by about seven years of DA2 gameplay, and then a further three years elapses where we see Varric being questioned by Cassandra.

An additional tidbit is that Maric died five years before the events of DAO, which is directly mentioned in the game's narrative.

[AbsoluteApril]

Orlais definitely likes to think Ferelden is the not very civilized
(from DAO codex)
"The Fereldans are a puzzle. As a people, they are one bad day away from reverting to barbarism. They repelled invasions from Tevinter during the height of the Imperium with nothing but dogs and their own obstinate disposition. They are the coarse, willful, dirty, disorganized people who somehow gave rise to our prophet, ushered in an era of enlightenment, and toppled the greatest empire in history."
- Empress Celene I of Orlais

I'd like to see more of the other areas before saying it's the 'worst' - I assume you mean worst as in - how the general populace lives?

[CrimsonZephyr]

Das Tentakel wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

Das Tentakel wrote...

(Titian, Federico Gonzaga, Duke of Mantua, 1529. I don't think he would have invited a Ferelden noble to his house. Not with their fashion sense. Even if he liked dogs)

But that comparison must be misleading. That garment is Gonzaga's absolute pride. The portrait is commissioned as much to immortalize the clothes as the man. While the Ferelden noble in distress is of course dressed in some everyday rags.

I was referring to fashion sense as in design, choice of color etc. Not about how 'fine' the clothes themselves are in terms of the quality of the textiles or the embroidery.

I mean, by all the gods of fantasy and real-world pantheons, look at this:



Aaack! Aaaccccck! Aaaaacccccccccccckkkkk!

Ils sont barbares, ces Fereldiens!

You know, those are probably imported fashions from Orlais.

Also, don't talk **** about Bryce Cousland. If he wants to wear yellow and pink, he can damn well wear yellow and pink.

Modifié par CrimsonZephyr, 17 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[Rawgrim]

No wonder they are poor, really. A simple backpack costs more than a sword or a plate of armour.

[CrimsonZephyr]

Rawgrim wrote...

No wonder they are poor, really. A simple backpack costs more than a sword or a plate of armour.

A backpack large enough to store ten extra warhammers.

That's no ordinary backpack.

[Rawgrim]

Very good point, Crimson.

[Maria Caliban]

Huntress wrote...

Think for a minute.. IF Ferelden was a barbaric land or not "rich" enough then why the Orlesians want it so ( profanity) Bad?

Yeah! That would be as silly as England, France, Spain, and Portugal discovering a new continent full 'savages' and attempting to colonize it!

As we know, empires only invade their technological and economic equals.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Das Tentakel wrote...

I mean, by all the gods of fantasy and real-world pantheons, look at this:

Thos outfits actually remind me of King Charles II.  He's usually remembered best for his distinctive hair, but he did wear clothing not terribly dissimilar from this.

[Das Tentakel]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Thos outfits actually remind me of King Charles II.  He's usually remembered best for his distinctive hair, but he did wear clothing not terribly dissimilar from this.

Not sure what you mean by that. Sure, Charles II has been called 'the King of Bling' ( www.youtube.com/watch ) and his portraits show shiny fabrics and - ugh - high-heeled shoes. It was a...excessive age.
But he nowhere looks like this. The closest is probably a historical doll, which, unless it's based on a portrait I haven't seen or remember, seems to go for a 'maximum extravagance pastiche'. With lots of orange and King Charles spaniels.



But this was made a guy who also made this doll of the Norse God Thor:



I will, erm, reserve my judgment regarding accuracy and so on.

If anything, the Ferelden nobles' dress rather seems to look (suspiciously?) similar to some of the more stylised versions of the 'Zwarte Piet' ('Black Pete') folkloric character from the Low Countries (he's basically St. Nicholas' - the original 'Santa Claus' - sidekick).





(more traditional 'Zwarte Piet' costumes are much more similar to 16th century dress, BTW)

Of course, Bioware's artists may have come to a similar design in exactly the same way, by simplifying and stylising 16th century western European clothing (and mixing it with modern and fantasy elements).

Regardless, Ferelden nobles' dress sense is atrocious. They are fashion barbarians.

[Toruscan]

a thougt kinda hit me orlais reminds me very much about france...

[HighMoon]

Euck! Zose feelthy Fereldans and der barbaric 'ounds. Oh, the veery menzion of zem makes me feel ill!! Each and evuree one of zem smells like a wet dog! It is completely and uttoorly repoolsive! *faints*