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[Insane 1]

Discuss.

www.youtube.com/watch

[HolyAvenger]

Bit stupid really (the video). Yes the running animation doesn't look great. Yes the demo comes with a few features you can't use. He's clearly not playing on any high difficulty level if he's melee'ing everything (even then the video is clearly edited to look like he's melee'ing a lot when he's just melee'ing one or two mooks per group).

All in all, shmeh.

[CitizenSnips]

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

[jacinda1234]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Hardly nitpicking when it's so clearly evident that it sucks, games in 2002 had better animations than this.

[CitizenSnips]

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

[Doriath]

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game, specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not.  I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its already becoming obvious.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 16 février 2012 - 06:27 .

[dreman9999]

chrisnabal wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game, specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not.  I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its already becoming obvious.

I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

[Doriath]

dreman9999 wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game, specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not.  I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its already becoming obvious.

I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

I really don't understand your first sentence fully but I'm not saying the game is horrible, I'm saying, and I think I conveyed this pretty clearly, this game appears (from the demo) worse than Mas Effect 2. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that at this point in time.

There have been a few reasons that some have said to give me reason to believe the retail game will fill in gaps of the demo, however, this feels like DA2 all over again. I don't really think you read my post, but rather just assumed that because I'm not defending the game or dismissing concern over lackluster aspects of the demo, then I must be a 'hater'. Since I don't even know what that is supposed to mean, I really couldn't care less, however calling me an idiot only makes you look like one.

Modifié par chrisnabal, 16 février 2012 - 06:42 .

[iSpiN]

]I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

Uh, he's saying that the demo doesn't excede the quality and expectations of a Mass Effect game which I can vouche for.  The demo feels very sloppy and it being so close to release date it can only make a person worry what the final product will be like.

[dreman9999]

chrisnabal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game, specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not.  I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its already becoming obvious.

I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

I really don't understand your first sentence fully but I'm not saying the game is horrible, I'm saying, and I think I conveyed this pretty clearly, this game appears (from the demo) worse than Mas Effect 2. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that at this point in time.

There have been a few reasons that some have said to give me reason to believe the retail game will fill in gaps of the demo, however, this feels like DA2 all over again. I don't really think you read my post, but rather just assumed that because I'm not praising or dismissing concern over lackluster aspects of the demo, then I must be a 'hater'....whatever that means.

No, it justthe video that makes it look worse. It's not.  It's faster and has better rpg features. That video did not touch on anything really related to the game, just nickpicks. Every thing in that video does nothing to make the game worse.
Most people hating on this are focus on the most minor of things. In ME2, Shepard ran like a robot, he still does now only it more notice able because your fallowing someone instead of leading. Reguardless, it does not make the game worse.

[Father Alvito]

There have been a few reasons that some have said to give me reason to believe the retail game will fill in gaps of the demo, however, this feels like DA2 all over again.

Nowhere near that bad.  DA2 was awful due to the rushed production schedule.  Its demo was far worse than this one.  The big problem with this demo appears to be that so much was cut from single player in order to make space in the file for multiplayer.  The result is that the single player experience on the Salarian planet feels unfinished because it is incomplete.

[CitizenSnips]

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chrisnabal wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and
should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has
garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few
years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of
dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game,
specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very
least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not. 
I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they
excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only
until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon
enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and
worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game
that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than
previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its
already becoming obvious.

String? DA2 I could certainly understand but what others? ME2? From what I've seen it has better aggregate reviews than ME1 from both critics and fans. SWTOR? Maybe. I would certainly have preferred a single player game but they developed it as an MMO and it is doing quite well at the moment.

As for the video, I honestly think Shepard's run animation is as good as ME2 (which by the way is subjective regardless of comparable video evidence). But since it is subjective, I can understand why someone wouldn't like it. Anderson's run does seem very odd to me though. I still consider this a small issue but, again, I could understand why a large part of the player base would want this fixed.

To be more specific, what I meant by nitpicking was the creator's editing of video to make it look more absurd than it should have. Specifically, the husk breaking into the door, Anderson shooting at the husks climbing the building, and Anderson waving Shepard over to the radio. Complaining about what is supposed to be very brief moments in the game is, to me, simply nitpicking. If the creator wants to sit around and watch those animations, fine. But he should know that almost every game has these types of things all over the place. It would be incredibly unreasonable to assume that this game wouldn't. And as for the other half of the video? You know, the parts with him meleeing everything? Playing on easy and setting it to circus music is going to make anything seem more silly than it actually is. To me, the strongest point of the demo was the combat, melee included.

In my opinion the most worrisome part of this demo is Wrex being forcibly removed from party consideration. This leads me to believe that this game might have more choices made for you (and scripted/unavoidable events) than Bioware would like to admit, but overall I really enjoyed this demo.

If I'm in the minority, so be it.

[Doriath]

dreman9999 wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game, specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not.  I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its already becoming obvious.

I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

I really don't understand your first sentence fully but I'm not saying the game is horrible, I'm saying, and I think I conveyed this pretty clearly, this game appears (from the demo) worse than Mas Effect 2. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that at this point in time.

There have been a few reasons that some have said to give me reason to believe the retail game will fill in gaps of the demo, however, this feels like DA2 all over again. I don't really think you read my post, but rather just assumed that because I'm not praising or dismissing concern over lackluster aspects of the demo, then I must be a 'hater'....whatever that means.

No, it justthe video that makes it look worse. It's not.  It's faster and has better rpg features. That video did not touch on anything really related to the game, just nickpicks. Every thing in that video does nothing to make the game worse.
Most people hating on this are focus on the most minor of things. In ME2, Shepard ran like a robot, he still does now only it more notice able because your fallowing someone instead of leading. Reguardless, it does not make the game worse.

Well, I have not only watched the video, I have also played the demo myself. The run/walk animations are not the only things I'm concerned with, and I realize the video is intentionally making the point to show off the poor animations however, that doesn't change the fact that they still appear, in my opinion, worse than Mass Effect 2. Also, I don't think animations are a minor deal, and the division amongst the fans over such things is a bad sign if you ask me.

The discussion that is going on right now following a demo release weeks before the retail release is eerily reminiscent of DA2, and that doesn't sit well with me. If you like what you've seen the great, that's awesome for you, but I don't and with that, I'm stepping out of this conversation as I can already tell it's only going to get derailed and more contentious from this point forward.

[dreman9999]

iSpiN wrote...

]I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

Uh, he's saying that the demo doesn't excede the quality and expectations of a Mass Effect game which I can vouche for.  The demo feels very sloppy and it being so close to release date it can only make a person worry what the final product will be like.

And he's doing this by showing minior issues in the demo that wasin the tutorial area, meleeing through easy mode, ducking animation so the characterget out of the way of your gunfire that should of been there since ME1, complaining about the action mode he does not need to play, heavy melee (that adds a much need attack factor in the game), loop animation you only see if you don't move forward, comment you only hear if you don't move forward,  and MP he does not have to play?

Gee, what a strong arguement.

[dreman9999]

chrisnabal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

D-roy wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

Looks like he's nitpicking small details, exploiting minor animations that were never intended to be critiqued in detail, and meleeing on easy difficulty.

Shepard takes up a fourth of the screen.
Pointing out the stupid looking run animation is hardly nitpicking.

Funnily enough, the run animation doesn't really bother me. I guess my opinion on a clearly subjective issue is objectively wrong.

To go back to your original post, everything about the game can and should be critiqued in detail considering the anticipation it has garnered and the reputation the developer has gotten over the past few years, with many creative minds leaving the company and the string of dissapointing sequels they have released.

Aspects of the game, specifically those that are showcased in that video, should in the very least be on par with its predecessor, which I would say they are not.  I'll put it this way, they seem to bother more people than than they excite. Take it for what its worth.

The issue is subjective only until there is comparable video evidence, which there will be soon enough, if not already somewhere on the internet as we speak. Bad and worse are two different things. I don't think many aspects of the game that are catching a lot of flack are bad, but they seem worse than previous installments in the series. Its arguable to a point and its already becoming obvious.

I'm sorry but what stateof logic is used in say the game is horrible because  you don't like the running aniamations or can melee everything on easy mode orithas a mode ofplayyou don't need to use?

The hater are just plain idiots.

I really don't understand your first sentence fully but I'm not saying the game is horrible, I'm saying, and I think I conveyed this pretty clearly, this game appears (from the demo) worse than Mas Effect 2. I don't think I'm alone in thinking that at this point in time.

There have been a few reasons that some have said to give me reason to believe the retail game will fill in gaps of the demo, however, this feels like DA2 all over again. I don't really think you read my post, but rather just assumed that because I'm not praising or dismissing concern over lackluster aspects of the demo, then I must be a 'hater'....whatever that means.

No, it justthe video that makes it look worse. It's not.  It's faster and has better rpg features. That video did not touch on anything really related to the game, just nickpicks. Every thing in that video does nothing to make the game worse.
Most people hating on this are focus on the most minor of things. In ME2, Shepard ran like a robot, he still does now only it more notice able because your fallowing someone instead of leading. Reguardless, it does not make the game worse.

Well, I have not only watched the video, I have also played the demo myself. The run/walk animations are not the only things I'm concerned with, and I realize the video is intentionally making the point to show off the poor animations however, that doesn't change the fact that they still appear, in my opinion, worse than Mass Effect 2. Also, I don't think animations are a minor deal, and the division amongst the fans over such things is a bad sign if you ask me.

The discussion that is going on right now following a demo release weeks before the retail release is eerily reminiscent of DA2, and that doesn't sit well with me. If you like what you've seen the great, that's awesome for you, but I don't and with that, I'm stepping out of this conversation as I can already tell it's only going to get derailed and more contentious from this point forward.

List all the problem that you have with ME3 demo and you'll find it's diffent from the problems with DA2's demo  .
DA2 demo problem was that everyone was upset about the combat.That not what the isseuse pointed at in ME3's demo. Everything is just nickpicks.

[iSpiN]

Are you that slow? I said DEMO and nowhere in my post did I acknowledge the OP's Youtube video.

[dreman9999]

iSpiN wrote...

Are you that slow? I said DEMO and nowhere in my post did I acknowledge the OP's Youtube video.

Weren't you saying the video poster was trying to illustrate the "fact  that the demo doesn't excede the quality and expectations of a Mass Effect game".

[dreman9999]

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Modifié par dreman9999, 16 février 2012 - 07:12 .

[iSpiN]

dreman9999 wrote...

iSpiN wrote...

Are you that slow? I said DEMO and nowhere in my post did I acknowledge the OP's Youtube video.

Weren't you saying the video poster was trying to illustrate the "fact  that the demo doesn't excede the quality and expectations of a Mass Effect game".

Cause it doesn't.

[Xannerz]

Gonna be honest. That video made me laugh harder than I should have.

[iSpiN]

Xannerz wrote...

Gonna be honest. That video made me laugh harder than I should have.

So much that it hurt.

[lobi]

Anderson has sore back and his gun had water in it he was shaking out to prevent jamming.

[Texhnolyze101]

I stand by my opinion that the demo should have never been released period.

[iSpiN]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I stand by my opinion that the demo should have never been released period.

Agreed.  It has only hurt the company, community, and the fans.  It doesn't help either that there are all these question threads and BW isn't having anyone look over them answering questions.  Instead we have bolds closing threads with caps and smiley faces.  Such professionalism.