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[TruSkill]

This is all speculation, but the inclusion of these random equipment packages just reeks of EA. After seeing the Recruitment Facebook app that gives you these packages in the real release version, I instantly suspected what was could be happening.


EA may SELL these packages on the side.


They've done it before in Need for Speed World. Nearly identical to the packages you see in the demo, they contain 3 random one-time use powerups and 2 car parts upgrades (they are unlockable by playing the game normally with a similar credit system abiet with a significant time investment and dirt poor drop rates.) This caused a "Pay 2 Win" situation and caused incredible community backlash.


Obviously ME3 multiplayer isn't comperetive so the "fairness" argument isn't big. However, EA loves their Free-2-Play tactics. Create a grind that perpetually peeves gamers and then introduce a way to circumvent that grind by paying cash.


Bioware, for the love of all that is Mass Effect, tell me that this is not the case. I want to be able to sleep soundly knowing that you didn't give into one of EA's dastardly profit-gouging schemes.

[daftPirate]

Holy crap, I hope it doesn't come to that! That would absolutely spoil the game. Don't let it happen BioWare!

[Indoctrinated Spectre]

I have a Katana X..That I don't use, and a Viper VII, that I don't use, among other things, that I don't use :'(.

[Karan Vess]

As long as EA has their fingers in whatever can make money they WILL do it. And you can't do anything about it. Except of course not buying the game and telling all your friends to not buy the game and in general tell everyone to not buy the game, even when it's off topic.

[masterkajo]

That would explain all this multiplayer DLC in the merchandise (figurines, xbox and PS3 cases, art book). These DLCs will most probably be just some packs that you can redeem and get stuff quicker.

[Raxxman]

with the amount of DLC on route for ME3, I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen.

[TruSkill]

Indoctrinated Spectre wrote...

I have a Katana X..That I don't use, and a Viper VII, that I don't use, among other things, that I don't use :'(.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Forcing players to grind for hours without getting the reward they need so that they will lay down cash out of frustration.

[DayusMakhina]

I don't see them managing to pull it off with ME, an even if they do what does it actually matter? You'd in no way have to do it yourself and your hardly at a disadvantage to others if they do and you don't considering it's cooperative.

An yeh, FIFA equally has this system with it's 'Ultimate Team', in fact I think Ultimate Team came first.

[Zeju]

Normally I'd agree, sadly this happens in most cases, but it wont with ME3 I think.

There wouldn't be a profit. I mean here we are in the demo, playing against Cerberus with a bunch of low level new players and (personally) our teams have won the majority of my games. Seriously. If they offered bonus equipment, there just wouldnt be a profit, because all the equipment for the fans is already in the game and thats all you need to win the match.

[TruSkill]

DayusMakhina wrote...

I don't see them managing to pull it off with ME, an even if they do what does it actually matter? You'd in no way have to do it yourself and your hardly at a disadvantage to others if they do and you don't considering it's cooperative.

An yeh, FIFA equally has this system with it's 'Ultimate Team', in fact I think Ultimate Team came first.

My concern is not that it puts non-paying players at a disadvantage.
I have major issues with designing a game mechanic for the sole purpose of getting you to fork over cash.

Modifié par TruSkill, 16 février 2012 - 10:47 .

[DayusMakhina]

TruSkill wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

I don't see them managing to pull it off with ME, an even if they do what does it actually matter? You'd in no way have to do it yourself and your hardly at a disadvantage to others if they do and you don't considering it's cooperative.

An yeh, FIFA equally has this system with it's 'Ultimate Team', in fact I think Ultimate Team came first.

My concern is not that it puts non-paying players at a disadvantage.
I have major issues with designing a game mechanic for the sole purpose of getting you to fork over cash.

Well, that's just looking at it in a negative light. The whole random pack thing encourages people to continue playing and equally try new classes/races than they usually would. If they equally added the ability to purchase these packs on the side it would still be exactly that, something on the side.

[AndyXTheXGamer360]

I wouldn't buy them because they would just give me things i already have

[Ender1221]

I dunno. I have a hard time getting TOO angry at the random gear packs. It seems like the same basic concept as buying booster packs for trading card games like Magic. The only difference is, in MTG you HAVE to buy more cards. This one gives you the option to play for them.

[Nashiktal]

DayusMakhina wrote...

TruSkill wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

I don't see them managing to pull it off with ME, an even if they do what does it actually matter? You'd in no way have to do it yourself and your hardly at a disadvantage to others if they do and you don't considering it's cooperative.

An yeh, FIFA equally has this system with it's 'Ultimate Team', in fact I think Ultimate Team came first.

My concern is not that it puts non-paying players at a disadvantage.
I have major issues with designing a game mechanic for the sole purpose of getting you to fork over cash.

Well, that's just looking at it in a negative light. The whole random pack thing encourages people to continue playing and equally try new classes/races than they usually would. If they equally added the ability to purchase these packs on the side it would still be exactly that, something on the side.

I played for a whole day, bought tons of recruit and veteran packs, and did not get a single new race or class. Not. A. Single. One.

If its to encourage me to try new things bioware is doing a horrible job of it.

[Ianamus]

I really hope it dosen't come to this, but It might explain why Bioware are trying to force such an unpopular system (I mean just one look at the forums would tell you most people don't like it)

Then again, hopefully the non-competitive nature of ME3 multiplayer will mean that it wouldn't work. 

Modifié par EJ107, 16 février 2012 - 03:08 .

[Nashiktal]

EJ107 wrote...

I really hope it dosen't come to this, but It might explain why Bioware are trying to force such an unpopular system (I mean just one look at the forums would tell you most people don't like it)

Then again, hopefully the non-competitive nature of ME3 multiplayer will mean that it wouldn't work. 

I could have sworn the devs talking about ways to unlock stuff in multiplayer using singleplayer, but that was some time ago.

[Ianamus]

Nashiktal wrote...

I could have sworn the devs talking about ways to unlock stuff in multiplayer using singleplayer, but that was some time ago.

I know, right? 

I swear one developer said something along the lines of "When you recruit the Turians to your cause they become avaliable in multiplayer" and it made sense. I don't think it was too long ago either. But now there are these random randomized bags?

It's a bit suspicious actually, and I have to wonder if there was a bit of executive meddling going here from EA. Makes me slightly concerned about this buyable packs theory 

Modifié par EJ107, 16 février 2012 - 03:31 .

[NekOoNinja]

Immideately thought of Battleforge when seeing these silly packs, and the way they make money off selling booster packs, no?

[royard]

TruSkill wrote...

This is all speculation, but the inclusion of these random equipment packages just reeks of EA. After seeing the Recruitment Facebook app that gives you these packages in the real release version, I instantly suspected what was could be happening.


EA may SELL these packages on the side.


They've done it before in Need for Speed World. Nearly identical to the packages you see in the demo, they contain 3 random one-time use powerups and 2 car parts upgrades (they are unlockable by playing the game normally with a similar credit system abiet with a significant time investment and dirt poor drop rates.) This caused a "Pay 2 Win" situation and caused incredible community backlash.


Obviously ME3 multiplayer isn't comperetive so the "fairness" argument isn't big. However, EA loves their Free-2-Play tactics. Create a grind that perpetually peeves gamers and then introduce a way to circumvent that grind by paying cash.


Bioware, for the love of all that is Mass Effect, tell me that this is not the case. I want to be able to sleep soundly knowing that you didn't give into one of EA's dastardly profit-gouging schemes.

I think I remember a dev saying that they will directly sell the things you want (and not random packs).  If you want the Widow and can't get it in random unlocks, just buy it off the shelf and pay a little bit of real money. 

But the system you described is probably more lucrative for them, so I don't know. 

Modifié par royard, 16 février 2012 - 04:40 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

It would not suprise me, they do this with EA Sports titles via "Ultimate team"

Buy packs of cards with random players to build your team