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[Legion64]

Why deal with the complainers. They're going to get ME3 anyway!

[shepard1038]

Because the bsn is full of whiners and complainers.

[Hunter of Legends]

shepard1038 wrote...

Because the bsn is full of whiners and complainers.

Bingo.

This place is worse than the ESPN and Bungie communities combined.

[TheRevanchist]

I don't have a problem with TOR...I actually like it. Hated DA2 though...

[android654]

JeffZero wrote...Well if someone thinks Farscape, Babylon 5, Deep Space Nine were all bad then /shrug is all I can say; same as I do with loving LOST. It's all a matter of opinion. But for money, DS9 was the best character-driven show I've seen.

It's clear to me that shows like Star Trek was never designed for my tastes. I could never care enough to go through the the ostentatious surroundings to get to the character drama./

JeffZero wrote...For the record, Gossip Girl's ratings have dived lately. There is a chance it will be cancelled. Not the best example, but I know what you mean.

My knowledge of the show is by proxy, but I'm glad my point was understood.

JeffZero wrote...

android654 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...
Deep Space Nine
Farscape
Babylon 5
The X-Files (OK, it fell off though)

These were bad, and X-files was mostly sci-fi and spent very little time on character development. Not in the same vein as Lost.

JeffZero
Fringe
Battlestar Galactica (uneven, granted)

Fringe is a good example of a Sci-fi drama that focuses more on a larger plot than their characters. Peter and Olivia take a back seat to anything going on between the two universes. But it has been capable of maintaining it's allure. I have been concerned with how they've treated Peter, Olivia and Walter's dynamic this season, but it looks like they're about to turn a corner.

If the version of BSG you're talking about is the one premiered in 04, then yes, that's a good character driven drama that takes place in a sci-fi setting.

Yes, the newer BSG. The old one was very much stock, SW-cash-in pulp sci-fi. Didn't care for it in the least. Fringe... well, fair point.

Ultimately, here's the issue at hand: I didn't like LOST's cast much. A couple of characters intrigued me. Most of them didn't.

That's fair. Personally I love anything that spends enough time and care to have such a large cast and each have a well written and personal back story, then watching them all intersect in the center of the larger plot. It's one of the things I loved the most about BSG, just hearing about Helo, Apollo, Kara and Athena are enough to drive a well written story.

I never got around to seeing the original BSG, but from the little I saw, your description seems accurate enough.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

prothytheprothean wrote...

the game hasnt even been released yet and everyone are balready saying
"the game will not succeed"
"it is f***ing terrible!"
"PRE-ORDER CANCELLED!"

nevertheless i still have faith in bioware

Just finished the demo and one word only comes to mind, "brilliant."

I think the hate is only confined to those who don't know the story and played the demo without much background on the gameplay.

For us ME1+2 players, its a fresh new take on the gameplay, familiar controls, NEW SET PIECES, awesome atmosphere, and NEW MOTIVATION to finally resolve everything.

[shepard1038]

My god you can go to other forums and most of the people are praising Me3. But you go here
and you see people whining over the same stupid thing.

[JeffZero]

@android

I've gotta run, so I'll be brief: I'm glad we came to an understanding. (Anyway, DS9 was the only expressly character-driven Trek, so that's why I pin it so highly. But if the setting really irks you, there's nothing the show can do to fix that except that it's a lot darker and a bit more realistic than the rest, I s'pose.)

[LenaMarie]

It'd be hilarious if multiplayer is the thing that shuts up all the ME3 Hate. It seems well received already by the "Action mode" crowd.

I think the jury is still out on the "RPG Mode" crowd.

[nitefyre410]

Kevin Martell wrote...

There are a lot of reasons why Mass Effect 3 gets a lot of hate. The biggest one, I think, is that people have developed unrealistic expectations and hopes for the series that simply cannot be met. I also think that a lot of people bought into the series for the wrong reasons and it's backfiring on them.

  

This is a very good and accurate observation and  I think its something that  lost in  the white noise of the constent back and fouth. 

This is not  to say that demanding quality is crazy but  there is a bar that has been set that is  too high, so high that even if it falls short of the bar - which could be very well mean  the game is excellent some will always see the game as a failure.

[JeffZero]

shepard1038 wrote...

My god you can go to other forums and most of the people are praising Me3. But you go here
and you see people whining over the same stupid thing.

Indeed. All my other go-to forums are loving the demo for the most part.

[someone else]

...because you can't take the BS out of BSN...now back to my umpteeth ME2 playthru..

Modifié par someone else, 17 février 2012 - 04:06 .

[KotorEffect3]

JeffZero wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

My god you can go to other forums and most of the people are praising Me3. But you go here
and you see people whining over the same stupid thing.

Indeed. All my other go-to forums are loving the demo for the most part.

I guess it is a syndrome that happens on all the forums that the different developers have.

[LenaMarie]

JeffZero wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

My god you can go to other forums and most of the people are praising Me3. But you go here
and you see people whining over the same stupid thing.

Indeed. All my other go-to forums are loving the demo for the most part.

That doesnt say anything. If you mostly visit battlefield and CoD forums, then its pretty obviously they'd love it. The Demo is solid, and plays like other online shooter multiplayer modes, but that does not mean its designed for the RPers, so if you went to FPS flavored fourms its not surprising they love it.

[Legion64]

It's still an RPG.

[KotorEffect3]

LenaMarie wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

My god you can go to other forums and most of the people are praising Me3. But you go here
and you see people whining over the same stupid thing.

Indeed. All my other go-to forums are loving the demo for the most part.

That doesnt say anything. If you mostly visit battlefield and CoD forums, then its pretty obviously they'd love it. The Demo is solid, and plays like other online shooter multiplayer modes, but that does not mean its designed for the RPers, so if you went to FPS flavored fourms its not surprising they love it.

Well there are rpg things in the game that the demo didn't show such as weapon customization, armor customization, etc...  I do think they should have at least let us tinker around with weapon customization in the demo.  And I know there are parts of Sur Kesh they cut out of the demo that were more dialog heavy so I am not worried.

Modifié par KotorEffect3, 17 février 2012 - 04:59 .

[nitefyre410]

Its an Action/RPG... more correctly its an Action/RPG that use a shooting based combat system but to keep it simple its a Action/RPG.

[Dragoonlordz]

This thread contains a lot of people saying a lot of silly things because in sense that not single person in here is exempt from at one point or another having dislike or lack of enthusiasm for a specific element in ME1, 2 or 3. I have never met a single person who loves (every) single aspect of (every) single title in the trilogy whether that's the Mako or Planet Scanning as just one example out of a million other elements in the three games.

Most people are expressing criticism over "elements or aspects" in the game they have played or what have been told will be in the game. That in their personal preference just like everyone else has a preference for what like or dislike, that they did not 'enjoy' some aspect about the demo or what they have heard from the developers or PR. That's the hypocrisy of using terms like "haters" and "whiners", because no one is exempt and everyone at some point or another is one with regard to something in the trilogy for reason stated in first paragraph. Granted some take it bit too far in how they express themselves however most are reasonable in their wording, phrasing and expression but we all have something dislike about one of more of the games. 

They still want the game in most cases, still think the other elements that are not specific to what they do not like and speak up on here about will or have enjoyed and also think might be a very good game. I personally think the ones throwing around terms haters, fanboys, biodrones and whiners are worse than the ones who have mentioned a dislike by their personal preference for one or more elements or aspects. These people to me do more damage to BSN on the whole than the occassional person who takes expressing his disappointment slightly too far. My suggestion is that those throwing around those terms should take step back and look in a mirror once in a while.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 17 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[LenaMarie]

I'd actually be alot less worried or bothered about the FPS like gameplay mass invading bioware if they did it like Deus Ex games do.

But it just seems like with ME its more like 70% FPS, 30% RPG. Its out of balance. That being said Im looking forward to the game and hoping these rumors that they cut out alot of stuff from the demo is true but I've not see any confirmation on this from official sources, so its hard not to take it with a grain of salt as other people rationalizing.

Modifié par LenaMarie, 17 février 2012 - 05:11 .

[Almostfaceman]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Kevin Martell wrote...

There are a lot of reasons why Mass Effect 3 gets a lot of hate. The biggest one, I think, is that people have developed unrealistic expectations and hopes for the series that simply cannot be met. I also think that a lot of people bought into the series for the wrong reasons and it's backfiring on them.

  

This is a very good and accurate observation and  I think its something that  lost in  the white noise of the constent back and fouth. 

This is not  to say that demanding quality is crazy but  there is a bar that has been set that is  too high, so high that even if it falls short of the bar - which could be very well mean  the game is excellent some will always see the game as a failure.

You both have a point, but I believe that there's another factor to take into account. There's definitely a group of trolls here, dedicated to having their brand of fun. It's obvious, the same points are spammed and the language is inflammatory. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is targeted and insulted. Arguments and back-and-forth name-calling ensue.

[nitefyre410]

Almostfaceman wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Kevin Martell wrote...

There are a lot of reasons why Mass Effect 3 gets a lot of hate. The biggest one, I think, is that people have developed unrealistic expectations and hopes for the series that simply cannot be met. I also think that a lot of people bought into the series for the wrong reasons and it's backfiring on them.

  

This is a very good and accurate observation and  I think its something that  lost in  the white noise of the constent back and fouth. 

This is not  to say that demanding quality is crazy but  there is a bar that has been set that is  too high, so high that even if it falls short of the bar - which could be very well mean  the game is excellent some will always see the game as a failure.

You both have a point, but I believe that there's another factor to take into account. There's definitely a group of trolls here, dedicated to having their brand of fun. It's obvious, the same points are spammed and the language is inflammatory. Anyone who doesn't agree with them is targeted and insulted. Arguments and back-and-forth name-calling ensue.

 

oh yes that is definately in play  here... when sit back and look at all you almost have to laugh at  all.

[IST]

 I have removed any hate I had after playing the demo a second time.. for some reason, It gels A LOT better the second time (once the changes don't jarr you etc).

[R3DKL0UD]

People often romanticize the past and then expect too much from the future. Criticism is very near sighted. If people had expectations for ME1 or DA1 then would have had many criticisms too. Many are also uncomfortable with any kind of change, even if it's inevitable. These people are often called republicans.

[someone else]

R3DKL0UD wrote...

People often romanticize the past and then expect too much from the future. Criticism is very near sighted. If people had expectations for ME1 or DA1 then would have had many criticisms too. Many are also uncomfortable with any kind of change, even if it's inevitable. These people are often called republicans.

...and people who expect their every passing desire, imagined need, whim and whimper to be immediately attended to at some elses expense, time and trouble are often called "liberals" of any political stripe, though it degrades the historic role of true liberalism.