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[maxulic]

teh_619 wrote...

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Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.
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Pretty sure you were never a fan in the first place. It might be the issue.

[teh_619]

Exia001 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Uezurii wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Calling everyone who buys COD games idiots? Really? REALLY? Holy ****ing crap, this forum continues to blow my mind. Wow...

I wouldn't go as far as to call them idiots.

They just don't know any better.

Or maybe they have fun. You know. The whole point of buying video games.

Street junkies have fun too, in the end they're just hurting themselves though.

The word fun doesn't really have any context in this dialogue.

Your actually comparing a street junkie to someone who plays CoD? Wow dude...Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower.

I was actually expecting you to say that.

The point you missed though is that "fun" has no context in this conversation.

Every second guy can have fun with anything but it has nothing to do with the quality of the product which we are discussing.

If fun has no place when talking about a video game, then what does, what is your point?

Are you dense? I'll just repeat

Every second guy can have fun with anything but it has nothing to do with the quality of the product which we are discussing.

Just saying "NO THINK IT'S FUN" or "NO IT'S NOT FUN FOR ME" brings us nowhere.

[teh_619]

maxulic wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

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Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.
(...)

Pretty sure you were never a fan in the first place. It might be the issue.

It seems you've missed how I've actually bought their games.

[Sleek]

Guys take a min a remind yourselves that Bioware is NOT the same company it was 5 years ago. If you are expecting the same quality in games they produce you are mistaken. It will NEVER be like it was.

[someone else]

don't understand this thread at all - impossible to judge a 30-50 hr game on :20 min of demo game play. Opening on earth is clearly graphically poorer than salarian base sequence - suggests demo is a bit of this and that - and was done prior to main game going gold - maybe op is right, maybe not - will see 3-9, meanwhile, something to b*tch about is all...itzagame...idea is fun...i likely will have some regardless or irregardless...can't remember which...must talk with mordin...

[Texhnolyze101]

The PLC wrote...

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

The PLC wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Calling everyone who buys COD games idiots? Really? REALLY? Holy ****ing crap, this forum continues to blow my mind. Wow...

I wouldn't go as far as to call them idiots.

They just don't know any better.

Or maybe, just MAYBE, these people actually enjoy these games. Are yoy really that arrogant?! I guess everyone who doesn't listen to the same music and watches the same movies as I do, just 'doesn't know any better'... ****ing please!

They apparently don't know any better as they but the same crap every year thinking its new when its not and happily get nickel and dimed for $15 map packs.

Is it really that hard to grasp that people maybe enjoy these games? How is it any different to sports games?! It's THEIR money! Don't tell other people what they should and shouldn't buy/enjoy. 

Im sorry but i just can't accept that people willingly buy trash and are happy with it :\\ *shrug*

[SealKudos]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

That's a false corporation principle and you would realise that if you could control the nonsense you spew.

Mhm. That's why the games are entertaining enough to sell and be played, so the consumer spends hours playing and the developers get paid.

On what criteria is the series unsucessful, let me guess, the "I don't like it, therefore it sucks and everyone who plays it is dumb", one right?

I've already posted on the previous page what constitutes a game successful

Do better than that.

And it's wrong. Do better than that.

I did laugh at the challenge part, for an online game.

Not as much as I laughed when I got my first train set, pure glee.

Okay, I shouldn't be laughing nearly as hard as I am at the continuous "train set" theme running in your posts.  


Anyway, back on topic, DA2 REALLY dissapointed me, especially following DA:O (which is personally my favorite game of all time [Not including the classics]).  It's a damned shame, but it is what it is.  I probably won't be getting another Dragon Age game (which upsets me just to think about.  PLEASE BIOWARE MAKE ANOTHER DA:O)

As for Mass Effect, it's never disappointed me nearly as much.  Sure ME2 removed a lot of stuff, but it was just the clutter.  The inventory system in ME1 blew - too many options not enough meaning - the skills were great but could be boiled down, etc etc.  They over-simplified it in ME2, making for an overall lesser game, but it was still good.  My hope, as the hope of many here, is that ME3 will have the best of both worlds.  From what I've seen, it has.  Good, meaningful choices in terms of combat and weapon loadout (we didn't get to do that in the demo, but I've seen it before), and more interesting skill choices.  The combat movement is very fluid, at least on PC, for me.  Takes some getting used to, but it's great.

My main concern is story.  Any other day, I would of said, "Hey, it's a BioWare game, don't worry about it," and left it at that, but nowadays...

[GnusmasTHX]

Exia001 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Uezurii wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

The PLC wrote...

Calling everyone who buys COD games idiots? Really? REALLY? Holy ****ing crap, this forum continues to blow my mind. Wow...

I wouldn't go as far as to call them idiots.

They just don't know any better.

Or maybe they have fun. You know. The whole point of buying video games.

Street junkies have fun too, in the end they're just hurting themselves though.

The word fun doesn't really have any context in this dialogue.

Your actually comparing a street junkie to someone who plays CoD? Wow dude...Just when I thought you couldn't sink any lower.

I was actually expecting you to say that.

The point you missed though is that "fun" has no context in this conversation.

Every second guy can have fun with anything but it has nothing to do with the quality of the product which we are discussing.

If fun has no place when talking about a video game, then what does, what is your point?

Obviously. Don't you know the entertainment derived from a product is not at all indicative of its quality in any regard.

Do you think you can judge a train set just by how fun it is? How could there ever be a bad train set then, since all of them are fun?

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 16 février 2012 - 02:30 .

[teh_619]

Arkitekt wrote...

What really gets on my nerves is not the criticism, the constant badmouthing on bioware, how their current "direction" has something somehow related to CoD (i don't understand how, guess that everything one does not like in a game MUST be CoD related), how cinematics suck, how they are sold to EA, etc etc. That kind of ranting amazes me only so far that I don't understand why people who hate the company are still here spreading hated, cynicism and general misanthropy.

What bugs me is the constant patronizing tone which these characters speak, all in their high horses teaching us that if we like the current state of affairs then we are either blind, in denial, stupid, COD fans (i still fail to get this one), bad "recent" fans who are substituting the "real good" fans of past golden bioware times, etc etc.

An advice for all the pessimists: you are perfectly entitled to your pessimism, try not behaving like complete ass holes all the friggin time. That includes NOT JUDGING YOUR AUDIENCE. You don't know me nor my reasons for liking the series. So stop calling me "deluded" or saying that I am rationalizing the bad parts because "i want to believe". Stop assuming that your audience is dumber than you are and then perhaps BSN will restore itself to a saner state, at least like it was a month ago or something.

They said themselves they're reaching for the CoD audience and newer audience in general.

It's not something I came up with.
Just google it.

Modifié par teh_619, 16 février 2012 - 02:31 .

[nitefyre410]

someone else wrote...

don't understand this thread at all - impossible to judge a 30-50 hr game on :20 min of demo game play. Opening on earth is clearly graphically poorer than salarian base sequence - suggests demo is a bit of this and that - and was done prior to main game going gold - maybe op is right, maybe not - will see 3-9, meanwhile, something to b*tch about is all...itzagame...idea is fun...i likely will have some regardless or irregardless...can't remember which...must talk with mordin...

 

Not impossilble because this theard is evindence of that happening... 

now the logic behind it is another story 

[Exia001]

teh_619 wrote...

maxulic wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

(...)
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.
(...)

Pretty sure you were never a fan in the first place. It might be the issue.

It seems you've missed how I've actually bought their games.

So what are you forming your basis on?

[teh_619]

Exia001 wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

maxulic wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

(...)
Just being honest and saying what every old and faithful (and disapointed) fan of Bioware's thinks.
(...)

Pretty sure you were never a fan in the first place. It might be the issue.

It seems you've missed how I've actually bought their games.

So what are you forming your basis on?

My basis matters not how I'm forming it.

Modifié par teh_619, 16 février 2012 - 02:32 .

[HTTP 404]

Arkitekt wrote...

What really gets on my nerves is not the criticism, the constant badmouthing on bioware, how their current "direction" has something somehow related to CoD (i don't understand how, guess that everything one does not like in a game MUST be CoD related), how cinematics suck, how they are sold to EA, etc etc. That kind of ranting amazes me only so far that I don't understand why people who hate the company are still here spreading hated, cynicism and general misanthropy.

What bugs me is the constant patronizing tone which these characters speak, all in their high horses teaching us that if we like the current state of affairs then we are either blind, in denial, stupid, COD fans (i still fail to get this one), bad "recent" fans who are substituting the "real good" fans of past golden bioware times, etc etc.

An advice for all the pessimists: you are perfectly entitled to your pessimism, try not behaving like complete ass holes all the friggin time. That includes NOT JUDGING YOUR AUDIENCE. You don't know me nor my reasons for liking the series. So stop calling me "deluded" or saying that I am rationalizing the bad parts because "i want to believe". Stop assuming that your audience is dumber than you are and then perhaps BSN will restore itself to a saner state, at least like it was a month ago or something.

this deserves quoting again.

[Moondoggie]

Sleek wrote...

Guys take a min a remind yourselves that Bioware is NOT the same company it was 5 years ago. If you are expecting the same quality in games they produce you are mistaken. It will NEVER be like it was.

You're right. The games market continues to evolve and the gamers of today are more and more demanding and you need to keep up with that modernising unless you are an indie company who wants to stick to the PC niche market anyway then you have more wiggle room with what you can do with a game.

The big companies are all fighting for their cut of the market and to compete with the top games it needs to be modern and impressive and accessible to a variety of gamers not just a niche market. Bioware has always evolved and along the way they gained new fans and the "old" fans got upset with each new game. I remember full well the rage of old fans over Mass Effect being a console game and how DAO was not exactly like Baldurs Gate II.

Some things never change but Bioware will keep moving forward.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

so whats is the number of fan was pay a iphone for play Mass Erffect Galaxy, or whats is the number of player who go to pay a tablet of apple to play new Mass Effect 1 porting, this is thepoint,

i'm pc gamer, but windows gamer, and never i go to pay a ihpono or tablet for any new story and porting for Mass Effect Universe.

[Exia001]

So your just saying that Biowares gone downhill and not provding evidence, in that case I reinstate my fun

[GnusmasTHX]

The PLC wrote...

Judging from this thread, it really shouldn't surprise anyone that Bioware is trying to attract new fans..

That hurts man...

[teh_619]

nitefyre410 wrote...

someone else wrote...

don't understand this thread at all - impossible to judge a 30-50 hr game on :20 min of demo game play. Opening on earth is clearly graphically poorer than salarian base sequence - suggests demo is a bit of this and that - and was done prior to main game going gold - maybe op is right, maybe not - will see 3-9, meanwhile, something to b*tch about is all...itzagame...idea is fun...i likely will have some regardless or irregardless...can't remember which...must talk with mordin...

 

Not impossilble because this theard is evindence of that happening... 

now the logic behind it is another story 

Probably we've played more than 5 games in our lifetime, and even bigger the amount of demos to form an opinion?

Perhaps you'll say "But teh, how can I know that?"

Well I wouldn't know.

[Texhnolyze101]

Moondoggie wrote...

Sleek wrote...

Guys take a min a remind yourselves that Bioware is NOT the same company it was 5 years ago. If you are expecting the same quality in games they produce you are mistaken. It will NEVER be like it was.

You're right. The games market continues to evolve and the gamers of today are more and more demanding and you need to keep up with that modernising unless you are an indie company who wants to stick to the PC niche market anyway then you have more wiggle room with what you can do with a game.

The big companies are all fighting for their cut of the market and to compete with the top games it needs to be modern and impressive and accessible to a variety of gamers not just a niche market. Bioware has always evolved and along the way they gained new fans and the "old" fans got upset with each new game. I remember full well the rage of old fans over Mass Effect being a console game and how DAO was not exactly like Baldurs Gate II.

Some things never change but Bioware will keep moving forward.

Untill EA gets tired of them.

[Mike Shepard]

I like Mass Effect and Call of Duty so what now?

[Homebound]

its not just bioware, its videogames in general.

nowadays theres this checklist mentality to what a good game is.
Multiplayer? check.
M-rated? Check.
Visceral Combat? Check.
Graphics? Check.

Admittedly, those are good things all on their own, but nobody understands what made games great in the first place. Everyone's so obsessed in cramming all these things into a game that they forget to make the game a game.

[teh_619]

Alright look what we'll do.

After the game is released, if it has the same quality as the demo, I expect an apology in my inbox from every single one of you.

It's been fun kbai.

Modifié par teh_619, 16 février 2012 - 02:38 .

[RSX Titan]

SealKudos wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

That's a false corporation principle and you would realise that if you could control the nonsense you spew.

Mhm. That's why the games are entertaining enough to sell and be played, so the consumer spends hours playing and the developers get paid.

On what criteria is the series unsucessful, let me guess, the "I don't like it, therefore it sucks and everyone who plays it is dumb", one right?

I've already posted on the previous page what constitutes a game successful

Do better than that.

And it's wrong. Do better than that.

I did laugh at the challenge part, for an online game.

Not as much as I laughed when I got my first train set, pure glee.

Okay, I shouldn't be laughing nearly as hard as I am at the continuous "train set" theme running in your posts.  


Anyway, back on topic, DA2 REALLY dissapointed me, especially following DA:O (which is personally my favorite game of all time [Not including the classics]).  It's a damned shame, but it is what it is.  I probably won't be getting another Dragon Age game (which upsets me just to think about.  PLEASE BIOWARE MAKE ANOTHER DA:O)

As for Mass Effect, it's never disappointed me nearly as much.  Sure ME2 removed a lot of stuff, but it was just the clutter.  The inventory system in ME1 blew - too many options not enough meaning - the skills were great but could be boiled down, etc etc.  They over-simplified it in ME2, making for an overall lesser game, but it was still good.  My hope, as the hope of many here, is that ME3 will have the best of both worlds.  From what I've seen, it has.  Good, meaningful choices in terms of combat and weapon loadout (we didn't get to do that in the demo, but I've seen it before), and more interesting skill choices.  The combat movement is very fluid, at least on PC, for me.  Takes some getting used to, but it's great.

My main concern is story.  Any other day, I would of said, "Hey, it's a BioWare game, don't worry about it," and left it at that, but nowadays...

I think the DA fanchise is in trouble. Origins was a great game and I loved every minute of it. DA2 was horrible and by far the biggest dissappointment from Bioware since I can remember. I do not have any faith the next DA game will be any good.

The ME franchise on the other hand had to evolve. ME1 was awesome story wise, still one of my favorite games, but the combat was terrible and in a TPS, that simply won't do. Now they went too far in ME2 in effort to fix the combat and stripped out the RPG elements but when you realize it's not an RPG first, you still see a great game. I hope ME3 is the best of both worlds however the demo isn't capable of showing us that.